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valis
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 08, 2012 1:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Is there a particular part you're having trouble finding?

.. EDIT: oh I see from you're other post that you're looking for an entire BOM with mouser references. I can take a look but it'll have to wait until I get the 194 panel. You may just want to roll up you're sleeves and do it yourself if you're pressed for time. It's an invaluable experience (remember if it is you're first time to pay attention to watt and voltage ratings on resistors and caps and get DIP/PDIP ICs).
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 08, 2012 2:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

valis wrote:
Is there a particular part you're having trouble finding?

.. EDIT: oh I see from you're other post that you're looking for an entire BOM with mouser references. I can take a look but it'll have to wait until I get the 194 panel. You may just want to roll up you're sleeves and do it yourself.

Thanx for asking. I appreciate.

I was asking on muffwiggler cause I thought if someone ordered already, he might be able to post the references here on the forum. It's not because I'm lazy, it's because I'm starting with DIY and I'd like to avoid errors/wrong components that I paid for and cannot use.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 08, 2012 2:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

I totally understand. I unnecessarily ordered quite a few parts when I was first getting started. Mouser can be very daunting to navigate as well. Still, being able to read and recognize parts from spec sheets and ratings is a really a essential skill in diy. I suggest looking at another diy BOM for reference when getting started on your first few orders. I'm not trying to be preachy, but helpful. Like I said, if you still need all the mouser reference numbers by the time I build my 194 I'll be more than happy to post them for you. I'd say it'll be another month or so before I get my order together.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 08, 2012 3:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

I have to agree with valis; Learning how to order parts is an essential skill and you will make a few mistakes but you will learn from them. If I had BOMs to share I would but my mouser orders are generally a mess of different projects.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 08, 2012 3:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Thank you very much for your help.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 08, 2012 8:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

I'll tell you what. If you do put together a mouser list, I'll double check it to make sure it's okay.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 08, 2012 8:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

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not sure if this came up already, but how about a wogglebug panel? using the pcb from bridechamber? Might be an interesting complement to the 266.


I did bring it up at one time. I think I could make a 265 looking panel for it if people were interested.


I think that I need to go to wogglebug appreciation class. I have a 5u wogglebug and I like it but I don't find it tremendously useful or intuitive. It sounds pretty neat and the random, smooth and stepped cv stuff is cool but I'm really thinking/hoping that the 266 will be what I'm looking for in the woggle and more. I do like the wacky ring mod on the woggle for sure. Sorry I don't want to derail and will support just about any panel. Just my rants..
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 4:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

I think you can get the woggle triangle out of the 266, have a look at VTL5C3's post about 1/4 way down the page here:

http://www.electro-music.com/forum/topic-30861-25.html

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 11:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

valis wrote:
Rod Serling Fan Club wrote:
djs wrote:
not sure if this came up already, but how about a wogglebug panel? using the pcb from bridechamber? Might be an interesting complement to the 266.


I did bring it up at one time. I think I could make a 265 looking panel for it if people were interested.


I think that I need to go to wogglebug appreciation class.


I guess it could just be up to your own personal use. I think the wogglebug was the first eurorack module that really blew me away. This is coming from someone who likes sample and hold pseudo-randomness FWIW. It is basically a stand-alone random noise-maker/synth/drone machine. Prepatched pseudo-random sample and hold and a slewed variation is very convenient. The woggle portion provides similar results as some of modulation/sound I get out of Ian Fritz chaos models. It makes a nice centerpiece of a larger random patch. When I had my euro setup I liked to build large patches around the wogglebug modulating everything and back into the wogglebug and so forth. It's a lot of bang for the $ if you dig random behavior.

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Why I think it is worthy of a buchla-style panel:
If you look at grant richters site you can see that the wogglebug was directly inspired by/modeled after the 265: http://www.musicsynthesizer.com/WoggleBug/WoggleBug.html So I think it is a good fit as a "buchla inspired" module and would make a nice different source of uncertainty as a counterpoint to the 266. It has the added benefits of being a simple, relatively cheap DIY project using readily available parts.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 2:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Good idea. Once the backlog is trimmed, I'd tackle that.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 4:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

@RSFC Thanks for your perspective. I use my modular in a vaccum so I'm always curious as to other people's thoughts regarding modules that I use. That all being said, I believe that the only real way that we can resolve this conversation is to have a series of escalating posts that become more and more filled with vitriol and personal attacks until one of us eventually gets banned.

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(just kidding of course) As always, thanks for your time!
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 8:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

On another note, I know you've mentioned it before but what program are you using to design the panels?
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 4:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Just to add to the praise, it is one of the only eurorack modules I have that I vowed not to sell, It gets used in almost every patch.

A Buchla panel would certainly be justifiable since, as mentioned above, it is a direct descendant of the 265. I'm really interested to see what RSFC might come up with for this.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 12:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Modules and usage are always a personal preference thing. I use inkscape, illustrator is probably a better choice.

Hoping to have panels soon. I think the large group in on the way and just final approved the 266, I imagine it will be a quick turn-around.

I'll probably finalize some of the panel designs for the next batch and post after I send out the current stuff. It might only be 2 or 3 panels this time as some of the designs are up in the air at the moment pending PCBs and such.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 1:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

I also use Inkscape for designing a frontpanel i am working on.
I was wondering, what kind of file do you send to the factory?

I guess they need at least 2 different layers, for layout and drilling,
Can you tell me how you do it?

And, don't be afraid, i a not doing any buchla designs, but something else. cool

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 6:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

They will quote against a PDF but for art approval stuff I have been sending them eps & svg of each one. I think ultimately they would prefer illustrator files though...
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 7:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Inkscape is a great app thumbs up - there's some frustrating stuff with it, but overall it has a great feature set. (Plus, it is free.) I am no expert, but I do use it for designing panels that Ben/Re:Synthesis makes for me, and I provide him with .svg and .pdf files.

Back on topic with Buchla... things have been nuts here the past few weeks. The 245/246 is much more complicated than I initially anticipated, but I'm going forward to try & make it a reality on PCBs. No time-frame guarantee, however! (I'm sure all your backlogs are nearly as big as mine, though, in which case it isn't an issue. hihi) In the meantime I'm also working on some other clones & "functional clones". I'm curious how people feel about "functional clones", i.e. same or similar functionality, but potentially different implementation (my definition!)?

If you have any particular requests please PM me, as I'd rather not clutter this thread with potentially pornographic fantasties. smile
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2012 1:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

You know I am open to all possibilities Kyle.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 10:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

I'm going to re-post this here because it's really interesting info that is kind of buried in the blank-buchla panel thread.

djangosfire wrote:
valis wrote:
Got mine. Thanks again!

The panels are really nice and they feel really space-agey. Much lighter than I thought they'd be (as well as my own DIY 4u panels). Really cool.

So here's a question for you Adam, as the owner of 100 (or at the very least, soon to be!), 200, 200e modules, how does the thickness and wait vary within the series' panels? I'm just kind of curious.

Thanks again!


Hi David,

I only have a few, but yes they vary - mostly in finish and color. Just for the heck of it, I compared 4x different modules tonight, here's what I found:

1 - 1966 SFTMC Inc. Model 160 Noise measures .0675" thick, smooth aluminum w/pale whitewash finish and Forest Green silkscreen - backside is smooth

2 - 1969 CBS Musical Instruments Model 106 Mixer measures .0620" thick, "slight" brushed aluminum w/pale white and slightly engraved darker sky blue text/graphics - backside is smooth

3 - 1970 Buchla Model 206 Mixer measures .0615" thick, "slight" brushed aluminum w/clearcoat & dark blue silkscreen - backside is smooth

4 - 2012 Buchla & Associates Model 255 CV Processor measures .0585" thick, brushed, anodized aluminum w/dark blue silkscreen - both sides same finish



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 1:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Okay team, I'm going to run something by you all.

There's a few modules that I'm going to make for my system but if there's enough interest I'll send improved files to rsfc to be approved. Anyway, what I present to you all is a very rough sketch. If you all are interested I can pursue it more. Again, rough sketch (color, font, centering, etc.).

What would be group thoughts regarding a 190ish Reverb module plus a CGS Tube VCA/Timbral Gate? I.e. a dual spring reverb + tube vca as one 4u panel.

The 190 you'd have to make yourself which wouldn't be hard at all. There's also a few pcbs out there although a lot of them provide more functionality than the 190 did. I have a virtual stripboard or two that I can provide if needed.

The second half would be the cgs tube vca. It's certainly not a buchlidian design but it is a tube in your buchla path.

There could even be some sort of interaction between the two (send from vca to a spring, perhaps). We could even do a single spring with more functionality up front (see tombolas design). Or we could do a dual reverb and a dual vca, although that would be a little tight.

So yeah, it'd be a spring + tube module for your buchlish.

I'm just running this by you all. If this interests you all I can pursue it further within the group. If not, I'll just drill it on a django panel.

-david



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