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Thundersack88
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| mckenic wrote: | 
LAST thing i want is "conventional synth sounds and acoustic emulations." |
Seriously... who the hell looks at an analog synth in 2012 and goes "Oh man this is going to produce some of those killer viola and flute sounds ive been after!" |
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| Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2012 12:16 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah, I think acoustic emulations could be cut from that quote - do not want conventional synth sounds!
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| Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2012 12:22 pm Post subject: |
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| jbartee wrote: | It's a really obnoxious portion of the article tbh.
He opens with: "The world cries out for 24dB/octave filters that have the M-word at the front of them."
He goes on to list ARP 4012 / 4075, SSM and CEM filters as all being better choices than the Steiner.
Then he explicitly states that the Synthacon is only held in high regard because it's rare, and that the reason it didn't sell well is precisely because of its filter that can't produce (direct quote) "conventional synth sounds and acoustic emulations."
I dunno, the dude's clearly coming at this thing from a very different angle than I am. In any case he doesn't seem to think it's that big of a deal ultimately, since he still predicts it's going to sell boat loads. |
I haven't read the full article, just the teaser on the SOS site.
But in fairness to the reviewer, in the context of possible sales numbers he's likely correct... a more famous filter topology would probably sell more synths for Arturia. Just the fact that the general public (Ebay anyone?) uses the term "Moog filter" to describe just about any 24db LPF shows how uninformed people can be.
Whether or not you like Gordon Reid, he certainly is pretty well informed on this stuff and not some clueless noob. I'm sure he has experience with all the filters he mentions. |
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| Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2012 12:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Yeah, agree with him or not, Gordon Reid is a veteran. |
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| Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2012 12:37 pm Post subject: |
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The filter was probably the least of it that made me want to get it. Personally, I love that there's an oscillator mixer and that each wave shape has its own dedicated waveshaper control (PWM, super saw, wave folder). That's the type of synth voice that I regularly patch up with my modular, so it's great to see it in one package. It's like they read my mind.
You could have swapped in any number of filters in the minibrute and I still would have gotten it based on the voice architecture.
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I'm not sure I agree that the filter choice is going to hurt Arturia in the marketplace. I think the target demographic could give a crap about filter architecture really, and if they're drinking the Moog-aid then they're not going to be converted by a moog knock-off anyway. The aggressive character of the Steiner might actually appeal more to the young blood than classic 24/dB. Will be interesting to see.
Anyway Reid does a good job covering the synth and actually seems to quite like it in the end. The filter discussion is obnoxious because it just feels like an arbitrary aesthetic judgement. It's fine and even helpful to point out that this isn't going to give you cream like a moog LPF does, but the article editorializes in a way that makes me feel like the point is being missed a little. |
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| Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2012 1:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Thundersack88 wrote: | | Chuck E. Jesus wrote: | | tbh the Steiner style filter was the tipping point feature, it's something i don't have represented in my rig but wanted... |
I personally think this is BS! EVERY synth should have a moog filter!  |
i already have an A-108 and a Little Phatty, i'll modify the MB to bypass the filter  |
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| Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2012 1:31 pm Post subject: |
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How silly of Gordon Reid. He's normally quite an astute reviewer and observer. Now why would Arturia choose to get beaten by Moog at their own game? People will just get a Moog if they want a Moog.
Arturia did right by doing it differently.
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Wow... Gordon Reid knows his shit and I have a lot of respect for him, but that is a really weak argument  |
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or maybe the filter really does suck 
I mean its one thing to have crazy stuff in our modulars as choices.. but maybe he is implying that all the beginners getting this as there first synth are going to be thrown off by it (and without spending hundreds of more dollars and routing external cables are going to HAVE to use it). That said.. the thing sounds sweet as honey to me!! Nasty sticky sex honey.
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numbertalk
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It is possible to view the Steiner as a bit more of a "specialty" filter and not the only filter to have. I have one in my modular and am excited to have one here, but as far as starter-level synthesists, it might not sound like what they would want or expect. In my opinion this is a good thing - as said earlier, why go head-to-head with Moog when there are Moog synths currently in production.
Still, I was surprised to hear someone as seasoned as Gordon Reid say this without qualifying it more, but I'll try to give him credit and assume this is what he meant. All depends on how Arturia markets it. |
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| ben jah men wrote: | or maybe the filter really does suck
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It doesn't. I played the shit out of that thing at NAMM. The MiniBrute was easily one of the synth highlights for me and it was definitely the 'fixed-architecture' highlight of the show.
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| Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2012 3:06 pm Post subject: |
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"conventional synth sounds and acoustic emulations” Wow, really out of touch! That is something I would expect to read in a synth article from 1985. So what did Moog send Gordon for xmas this year?
IMO all of the Moog and 303 based hardware has made the modern analog market very dull. I really fail to find a single aspect of the minibrute to complain about when I take it all into consideration (price, features, compactness, uniqueness, etc.).
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| Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2012 3:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Jaspo wrote: | | WTF ... now the ship date is 7/06/2012. |
how's that? |
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jbartee
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| Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2012 4:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Jaspo wrote: | | Chuck E. Jesus wrote: | | Jaspo wrote: | | WTF ... now the ship date is 7/06/2012. |
how's that? |
Musician's Friend. Ordered on 1/22. Checked it today and it says estimated ship date 7/06/2012. Could be a glitch. |
Mine says the same. Super bummer if true. |
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| Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2012 4:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Rod Serling Fan Club wrote: | "conventional synth sounds and acoustic emulations” Wow, really out of touch! That is something I would expect to read in a synth article from 1985 years ago. So what did Moog send Gordon for xmas this year?
IMO all of the Moog and 303 based hardware has made the modern analog market very dull. I really fail to find a single aspect of the minibrute to complain about when I take it all into consideration (price, features, compactness, uniqueness, etc.). |
In this context his Buchla review/raspberry and Don's reply in SOS in 2005/6 is chucklesome. In his review of the Cwejman PH-4 and MX-4S modules in 2008 he says:
We are stepping way, way beyond conventional analogue synthesis here, walking realms that even well-appointed monosynths can only admire from a distance.
Hmmm, this sounds a little bit familiar... Some old guy from the sixties... His name starts with a 'B'...? Bob something...? Hmmm, I dunno - maybe I'm confused...
Joking apart, Gordon Reid did write Synth Secrets!  |
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| Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2012 6:13 pm Post subject: |
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I'm also glad it didn't come with a Moog filter, it would have made my Minitaur purchase just that little bit more redundant.
And my ship date from Musicians Friend has also slipped to 7/06/2012! Argh!  |
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jbartee
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| Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2012 6:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Rod Serling Fan Club wrote: | "conventional synth sounds and acoustic emulations” Wow, really out of touch! That is something I would expect to read in a synth article from 1985. So what did Moog send Gordon for xmas this year?
IMO all of the Moog and 303 based hardware has made the modern analog market very dull. I really fail to find a single aspect of the minibrute to complain about when I take it all into consideration (price, features, compactness, uniqueness, etc.). |
To be fair, he actually is referencing the 1970's reaction to the Synthacon with that quote, albeit with the implication that the same principle applies today.
And I completely agree about the long arm of the Moog / 303 filter types. They are lovely, but I don't think we need any more of them at the moment. |
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