Muff's Modules & More

Muff Wiggler · Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 9:35 pm Post subject: STG Mankato Filter

holy crap i've got one on the way :shock:

ok, i gotta admit i'm more excited about this than anything in a while

can any of you guys give me some ideas on cool things to do with a quadrature sine oscillator? i've got some ideas for modulating pairs of things with them, and obviously will try every FM routing I can think of, but i know there's a whole school of phased sine wave ideas that i'm clueless about. help a brother out wink

J.w.M. · Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 10:21 pm Post subject:

Wow. The thought of using that for FM sounds amazing. I really have no idea what sounds would result from QAM (which is what I'm assuming that module's all about), but I can't wait to hear.

Chuck E. Jesus · Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 10:27 pm Post subject:

you can create sheppard tones with it i believe...it's like an audio version of the "barber pole effect", a pitch continually ascending or descending...just looking at that picture, if you can send a slow ramp up sawtooth CV and it will give 0, 90, 180, 270 degs out to 4 different oscs set the same, you should get something along those lines...or 4 phase shifters, etc...i don't know anything about that mod, but that's my guess...i've made sheppard tones with a test sweep tone off a cd (made lots of copies and edits in a DAW), and it's a cool effect...

Muff Wiggler · Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 10:59 pm Post subject:

awesome, thanks guys! Ross, you're totally right, I didn't even think of using it as a sheppard generator, hmm, I think that's going to be a lot of fun

very, very excited about this module!!

Chuck E. Jesus · Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 11:21 pm Post subject:

with the amount of mods you have, and what looks like 8 phase outputs, you can go waaaay past sheppard tones....

shamann · Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 11:22 pm Post subject: Re: STG Mankato Filter

Muff Wiggler · Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 2:37 am Post subject:

woah....how did i not know about this nord modular book?? :shock:

what an awesome resource, thanks Steve 8)

this is amazing. Man, I love having a big modular system so much. I'll be able to do some pretty big versions of that patch - i have 4 vcos, the 8-phase sine oscillator, a pair of precise 'proper' ring modulators (CGSRR), and a bunch of phase-shifting AP filters, and a bunch of env followers.

I think having the mankato is going to push me into doing a whole realm of new things with my system. just looking at that page on the nordbook makes me think this is HUGE.

thermionicjunky · Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 2:58 pm Post subject:

I think STG is considering an expander that would add all the necessary elements for frequency shifting. I'm thinking of making some room in my Dotcom for this one. I love that all the functions range from subsonic to ultrasonic. That fits my technique perfectly. How much does the Frac version cost?

Kwote · Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 3:14 pm Post subject:

Muff Wiggler · Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 3:38 pm Post subject:

Kwote · Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 4:10 pm Post subject:

Muff Wiggler · Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 9:25 pm Post subject:

Shawn just emailed me to say that the page at AH for the Mankato is now up.

Hmm, I think Shawn lurks on this forum but doesn't register and post.

DAMN YOU LURKERS!! POST DAMN YOU!! razz

Cool stuff, thanks Shawn. He also told me that I ordered the very first one 8)

Kwote · Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 12:57 pm Post subject:

http://www.analoguehaven.com/stgsoundlabs/mankatofilter/

J.w.M. · Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 1:20 pm Post subject:

Holy fuc* I love the look of that module.
I agree-- perhaps the coolest-looking frac module I've yet seen.

consumed · Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 3:33 pm Post subject:

props to the Guy for this really nice looking build and the circular design.
so whats the big honkin knob in the middle for?
muff--im very interested in hearing you hook up all 8 outputs and modulating stuff!

Muff Wiggler · Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 4:41 pm Post subject:

the big knob in the middle is the coarse frequency control. the 'vernier' knob is the fine frequency control.

The pair are needed because the range of the filter is ENORMOUS. The audible range is only about 70 degrees of the big knob's travel, the rest is dedicated to sub-audio and super-audio. So if you want to actually tune to pitch within those 70-degrees of audible spectrum, you really do (apparently) need the fine and course knobs.

The 'look' of the unit would at first lead one to believe that the knob is a big crossfader between the different filter slopes shown in the circle of jacks - at least that was my first thought. But they have little to do with each other, except for the fact that they look totally bloody cool arranged like that 8)

by the way i put up a blog post with a bit more info about this

http://muffwiggler.blogspot.com

Squibbons · Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 12:04 am Post subject:

Oi. I just couldn't resist. I placed an order for one a couple of hours ago. =P

Muff Wiggler · Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 12:06 am Post subject:

awesome!! if you come up with any cool tricks, please let me know!

welcome to the forum by the way wink

Squibbons · Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 6:04 pm Post subject:

Here's 7 minutes of a Mankato being modulated and tweaked. It's long and noisey.

http://www.twango.com/media/Squibbons.public/Squibbons.10003

Blacet VCO sawtooth outputs to a Mankato filter. The filter is modulated by two lfos and then outputs 4 non-inverted phase shifted outs to a mixer. At 4:55 til the end, the VCO is removed and the filter is set to full regneration. All sounds from this point are purely from the Mankato being modulated by the lfos.

Oh, and I posted this in the thread about my systems, but this is the Mankato and JAG goofing around with each other:

http://www.twango.com/media/Squibbons.public/Squibbons.10001

thermionicjunky · Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 6:36 pm Post subject:

Damn, I need one of those. Luckily for my finances, the Dotcom version is delayed by the need for a custom circuit board. Thanks for the FM demo. It does great FM like I thought it would.

Muff Wiggler · Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 10:15 pm Post subject:

i'm starting to get the feeling that i may never see mine :(

tragedybysyntax · Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2008 3:02 am Post subject:

First off... Muffypoo... how come you dont think you will get yours? If it's because of getting ahold of shawn.. it's because he's moving. He's helping me out with a transaction and usually he gets back to me RIGHT AWAY. But I emailed him last monday and I'm still waiting to hear from him. I just emailed the main email addy... we'll see. I'm sure all is cool tho brutha.

So... this motherfucker looks/sounds AWESOME. I was thinking about the Encore Frequency Shifter though as well.... bitch of a decision eh? lol. I just loved this clip of the encore, however... it has been modified.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=1iXoLq3IHNA

Muff Wiggler · Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2008 12:57 pm Post subject:

could be - hopefully

it's just very unlike him - and he emailed me to ask if I've received it, I replied asking if he would trace the shipment - didn't hear anything back, and repeated the same request on wednesday - still nothing, and no Mankato has arrived. Very very odd. I hope Shawn is OK.

tragedybysyntax · Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2008 1:10 pm Post subject:

Yeah... I called on thursday and talked to a guy at AH saying "look man... I need to follow up on this order and shawn hasnt gotten back to me in almost a week... just seeing what's going on" and he said that he was moving and was really busy. *shrugs* It's unlike shawn by far. That guy will email me at 4am np usually.

Kind of strange that its taken that long to receive the shipment. That's why... I have them do USPS. 2day priority and it's cheaper. lol. Only bitch is you cant track it but... atleast in 2 or 3 days you know that something wrong.

That filter sounds/looks fucking sick...... just cant decide what I want to spend my 560 bucks on i have in the bank. lol.

Either.... save it and wait for the AFG..... buy the last harvestman zorlon cannon ah has for $300 and then put the rest towards a moog mf-107.... or buy a couple of the other livewire modules... or... Cyndustries Saw Animator...

Gear porn, gotta love it. i want it all... just a matter of what first. lol

Also cant decide between that mankato and the encore frequency shifter. They both sound outerworldy.

suitandtieguy · Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 2:43 am Post subject:

Muff Wiggler · Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 11:18 am Post subject:

hey STG, thanks for the info - I can definately say that you did an amazing job laying out, and thinking out, this build. Really appreciate all the stuff you threw in there - you are absolutely correct, very very flexible and feature-rich module. I sure hope mind arrives soon 8)

thanks for posting here, I know everyone around here always appreciates a little info directly from the designers

cheers - hope you are feeling better soon!

thermionicjunky · Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 12:13 pm Post subject:

Personally, I don't mind patching regeneration myself. It's one of those processes that force you to be creative, ultimately allowing you to accomplish much more. It's good that it's behind the wavefolder because I haven't received any checks from my new job yet!

felix · Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 2:10 pm Post subject:

Muff Wiggler · Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 11:43 am Post subject:

woo hooo it's here!!!!

and I'm about to get on a plane cry

and it has no power cord cry

but I'm sure I can make one....

suitandtieguy · Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 4:46 pm Post subject:

the tool to make power cables with, an AMP MTA156 crimp tool, costs 210 dollars. i literally could not afford it until around the time the Manks got to AH, and i made 30 power cable assemblies for them. if AH doesn't send you one now, let me know and i'll get one to you.

power cable assemblies might be added to my department at AH.

what is the preferred length for power assemblies?

thermionicjunky · Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 5:08 pm Post subject:

STG, you're also planning for an MOTM version, right? I've realized that I'm much more likely to expand my Modcan B system with MOTM format modules than to expand my Synthesizers.com system.

Muff Wiggler · Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 5:09 pm Post subject:

suitandtieguy · Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 1:40 am Post subject:

thermionicjunky · Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 3:15 pm Post subject:

Well, I might be back on the Dotcom train , thanks in part to STG's work on the Dotcom panel for the Cyndustries Quad Lowpass Gate. Thinking it would only come out in MOTM format, my mind was going wild. But now I can again use the money I save with Dotcom to feed my Modcan B. The QLPG and the Mankato are the only things on my list this year.

suitandtieguy · Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 6:33 pm Post subject:

i'm really looking forward to the Low Pass Gates as well.

i'm also looking forward to quelling some of that unfair "vanilla" criticism of the format by helping to get some left-field modules out there.

D/A A/D · Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 9:39 am Post subject:

I watched a vid on youtube that showed the Mankato being used as a lowpass gate... It blew my mind.

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=6zB5-1OMYXY

So I am REALLY curious how it actually archives this, I also wish this was available in Euro... confused

This module along with the MOTM looping ADSR were almost enough to make me want to switch to Frac.

Alex

thermionicjunky · Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 10:10 am Post subject:

The Mankato is being used as a multi-phase LFO, which is controlling a separate quad lowpass gate module. You could gate a signal with the Mankato by sweeping the filter below audio range.

D/A A/D · Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 10:14 am Post subject:

suitandtieguy · Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 6:19 pm Post subject:

i intend to make this in eurorack format eventually but i can make no promises. the PCB needs to be redesigned for that to happen.

in the mean-time, i should point out that the MOTM version is now in stock at Analogue Haven. so there are 3 different formats the Mankato is available in.

ehdyn · Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 4:19 pm Post subject:

Will buy a euro version - please keep us informed.

Cybananna · Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 3:40 pm Post subject:

looks really interesting!

Anyone know the max voltage output? (would be using it with Euro, I guess a few modules have a slight risk of damages at outpus of 15V which some frac modules produce)

Also anyone know the mA requirement?

Muff Wiggler · Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 3:46 pm Post subject:

are there some frac modules that put out 15v? That would be interesting to know and maybe keep a list of - I wasn't aware of this, I thought they all maxed out at 10v +/-5%

i'm not an expert but my understanding is that the risk of damage comes only when an input voltage exceeds the voltage of the power rails. In the case of a euro system, this would be 12v.

So if the frac maximum is truly 10v +/-5%, they are completely safe with all Euro modules.

However if there's a chance some of them could exceed 12v, it would be good to know. I can't really test all my modules, but if there are some in particular you have heard this about, let me know and I will measure the maximum voltage output and get back to you.

Muff Wiggler · Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 3:47 pm Post subject:

Cybananna · Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 4:59 pm Post subject:

Off hand the Blacet Frequency Divider output and Binary Zone clock out up to 15V. I think the Klang Werk can output 13.5V max.

I've only looked into Blacet. It's not a problem for most Euro modules It seems. I talked to AH and Peter from Plan B and it sounds like a few are at risk of damage (some of the Doepfer) and you may need to adjust the v/oct scale on the Plan B osc. At AH they said they mix Blacet and Euro all the time. It sounds like it's a small isolated risk, but something to be aware of.

parasitk · Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 5:22 pm Post subject:

Cybananna · Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 5:43 pm Post subject:

Here's the topic where I saw that Shawn Cleary linked to a post on the Doepfer Yahoo group about the Frequency Divider 15V and Euro modules.

http://www.analoguehaven.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=19&highlight=freque ncy+divider

Here's the direct link

http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/Doepfer_a100/message/11487

It's not from Shawn's mouth but he linked it so I feel confident the info is correct.

Cybananna · Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 9:28 pm Post subject:

I forgot, I did ask Blacet about it too and he said no one has complained of a problem to him. Either it's an isolated risk or an "in theory" concern?

sorry for being somewhat OT d'oh!

D/A A/D · Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 9:03 am Post subject:

One of the best uses of a quadrature lfo I have seen is controlling a series of lowpass gates... So many awesome textures. I have many plans for mine, all of which make me feel funny in the pants.

elemental · Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 6:06 pm Post subject:

So who's got a Mankato now?

I'm really curious about this. More as a sine oscillator with FM than anything else. But the other functions would come in handy aswell... especially interested in the different outputs for stereo sounds.
I'd be interested to hear peoples experiences with it.

elemental · Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 7:01 am Post subject:

no one?
Muff?

question

Luka · Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 7:31 am Post subject:

i have a half built one confused

Muff Wiggler · Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 11:58 am Post subject:

ooh sorry for the late reply, getting crazy over here with 'any moment a baby arrives'

yep, i have one.... hopefully soon i can record it for you

super, super, super cool module.... although I haven't really used quadrature functions at audio rates it IS a modulation monster

easily one of my very favorite modules. right up there at the top

eyehue · Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 2:40 pm Post subject:

i have a DIY Mankato, totally love it. but i don't really use it for sine waves (yet). what i do love about it are the shitload of outputs and phasing options, not to mention three attenuated fm inputs. i guess i've done a little experimentation with it as an oscillator by feeding it back into itself and making it cry, haha. i should try more of that method, inspired by a little essay Grant Richter wrote on the Wiard list not too long ago about trying to treat every module as its own little noise box (a la lunetta or atari punk console) and see what you come up with for new ideas of patching.

elemental · Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 5:42 pm Post subject:

Thanks... I'm really into using sines these days, either as audio rate modulation sources or starting points for distortion/wave shaping. I'm currently using an Analogue Systems A-110 as my dedicated clean sine osc. Thing is its quite hard to tune! I also have an AFG on the way which I hear has a good clean sine...
I'm also interested in the multiphase modulation possibilities, and all the filter outputs.

And somehow my interest in the Zeroscillator has been sparked again.... damn the interweb and my geeky surfing habits!!

parasitk · Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 4:29 pm Post subject:

I'd love to hear some more clips of this being used as a quadrature sine oscillator... Anyone?

lotus-eater · Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 9:19 am Post subject:

Now that you lucky Mankato owners have had some time to get familiar with this thing, would anyone care to put up some demos? I'd really like to hear some examples of the quadrature oscillators being used for frequency shifting. That expander module (to fill in the functions necessary for FS) would really make this a must-own module for me.

apemandan · Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 11:51 am Post subject:

I'd love to hear some too, especially any freq shifting and shepard tones! I have bought the PCB and have just ordered the parts.. In at the DIY deep end!! eek!

suitandtieguy · Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 12:33 pm Post subject:

are there any Mank owners with 2 ring modulators and a Blacet mixer/processor?

parasitk · Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 1:05 pm Post subject:

Quadrature sine oscillator? FM? Anyone? Please?

fluxmonkey · Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 1:09 pm Post subject:

wetterberg · Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 1:32 pm Post subject:

Kwote · Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 2:18 pm Post subject:

Muff Wiggler · Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 4:44 pm Post subject:

you can really 'hear' the mutiple sines of the Mankato used as a modulation source (of the AFG) in the recording i posted here

Muff Wiggler · Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 4:45 pm Post subject:

Roycie Roller · Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 7:16 pm Post subject:

Muff Wiggler · Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 9:56 pm Post subject:

well thank-you oops

chimologic · Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 2:44 pm Post subject:

ok so when does it come out in eurorack

parasitk · Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 2:53 pm Post subject:

wetterberg · Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 2:59 pm Post subject:

suitandtieguy · Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 4:48 am Post subject:

chimologic · Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 10:35 am Post subject: ..

thats cool but....

when does it come out in EuroRack format?

apemandan · Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 10:47 am Post subject:

thermionicjunky · Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 11:02 am Post subject:

neandrewthal · Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 11:25 am Post subject:

I wonder how hard it would be to make a module that takes any input and has 8 phase shifted outputs.

Kwote · Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 12:04 pm Post subject:

CGS has a dome filter pcb available. hmmm..

suitandtieguy · Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 2:02 pm Post subject:

thermionicjunky · Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 8:15 pm Post subject:

Kwote · Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 10:28 pm Post subject:

i wanna build two mankatos. just waiting for the right time to get the boards.

the guy's at magic smoke were very nice at the AH meet.

thinkin about the sheboygan VCO too. mmmm. sheboygan. Drunken Homer Simpson

goiks · Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 6:17 pm Post subject:

can't wait for my two pcbs and stg plates to show up. unfortunately they appear to have gotten lost in the mail...

suitandtieguy · Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 8:36 pm Post subject:

they didn't get lost in the mail, they got delayed by my fail. they ship on Monday if you want, with AH's first ten EU Wave Folders. however I thought you wanted one of them in a different format.

goiks · Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 3:37 pm Post subject:

the pcbs got lost in the mail, but a new set was sent and arrived yesterday!

apemandan · Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 5:30 pm Post subject:

so is no one taking up the frequency shifter challenge??!

cry

suitandtieguy · Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 5:55 pm Post subject:

fluxmonkey · Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 1:04 am Post subject:

thermionicjunky · Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 12:35 pm Post subject:

Suburban Bather · Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 4:44 pm Post subject:

elemental · Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 7:30 am Post subject:

I would just like to add, that the Mankato is one mean sub bass machine.
Got my Mankato a few days ago, and I have to stay this is the best use I've had for it so far!!
The whole quadrature modulation thing is cool and all... but the sub that comes out of this thing is so satisfying. Clean and deadly.

Last night I was adding some sub to a track I'm working on.. sent a short click from a Plan B M10 to the audio in, set regenerations to almost self resonating, tuned it up and then shook my flat for a while smile

I've always wanted a playable 808... this is prob about as close I'll get. love

P.S. will post audio tonight , promise!!

wetterberg · Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 11:53 am Post subject:

suitandtieguy · Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 6:02 pm Post subject:

yes please post clips!

elemental · Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 8:47 pm Post subject:

here ya go hihi

DGTom · Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 9:35 pm Post subject:

n.e.e.d!

The low -> high is just lovely!

Is that just pure Mankato output into computer?

Thanks for uploading .wav as well! Sub rumble goodness!

elemental · Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 10:25 pm Post subject:

The patch was:

M10 short expo click to Mankato audio input. Regenerations set just before self resonance. Sequencer CV -> Oakley Lag -> Mankato cv input. Slight envelope on the pitch, release only, to emphasise the pitch drop effect which also happens naturally as the resonance decays.
Mankato 6db output -> mixer -> computer via RME.
Nice and simple!

I tried similar patches before with my AS 110 multimode... it has a nice sound esp on the bandpass with this kind of patch but v hard to tune and does not scale that far.

However the Mankato gives a really full solid sound, esp as it happily goes into sub audio range. twisted

DGTom · Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 11:08 pm Post subject:

Thanks for the details!

Yes, thats what grabbed me straight off & had be buzzin Coffee Addiction FTW

just how smooth & heavy the slide between the high & low notes is, from my (albeit limited) experiance this is where these sounds really fall over.

P.S. I just clocked the name of the 2nd tune on your new 12" w/ S&D! hihi

are S&D still making tunes? I miss the show on Rinse bad!

wetterberg · Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2008 12:26 am Post subject:

wow... just... wow. I think that's one of the most "assertive" sounds I've ever heard out of 1 osc! I don't know, to me this is just so much wilder than any AFG multi-resonant doodad.

kidtesla · Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2008 12:51 am Post subject:

Yeah!

elemental · Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2008 7:54 am Post subject:

Suburban Bather · Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2009 4:28 pm Post subject:

I'm still patiently waiting for mine to arrive. I do feel like I'm about to chew my hand off though.

Thanks posting the demo Elemental.

suitandtieguy · Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 1:15 am Post subject:

Suburban Bather · Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 4:16 pm Post subject:

Kent

I checked out the PCB. It looks like there are some un-exploited solder pads for attenuators on the CV & Audio inputs. Would the resourceful fellow be able to make a little 1 space panel and wire these up directly? If so, what value of pots would said fellow seek?

chimologic · Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 10:38 pm Post subject: ....

sorry to ask again but any word on the Mankato coming to Euro format? would really love one...

goiks

neandrewthal · Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 12:50 am Post subject:

I just ignore any attenuator pads on PCB's, run the input jack straight to 100k pot, then on to the input pad.

suitandtieguy

Kent · Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 3:17 am Post subject:

chimologic, the pull toward the Frac-Side is strong with you!

Join us Euro/Frac Heads!

chimologic · Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 12:29 pm Post subject:

NO!

Eurorack and Serge 4LIFE! Jedi

Kent · Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 12:45 pm Post subject:

I am your Fracher! Darth Vader

Kent

goiks

Kent

Suburban Bather · Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2009 5:19 pm Post subject:

Ok folks, I'm ready to post some demos of the Mankato. The first four demos will be the Mankato going through the QMMG. The QMMG is receiving envelopes from a Doepfer 143-1 complex EG/LFO. I'm sending 0, 45, 90, and 135 degree outs of the Mankato into the QMMG. Also, the Mankato is receiving square wave modulation at about 50% from a Dotcom oscillator. I will post separate demo's of each of the settings on the QMMG. The first will be VCA, followed by BOTH, then LP, and finally HP. The only settings tweaked will be the control offset and manual feedback control on the QMMG. Parameters on the other modules used for these demos will stay the same.

Later on tonight I'll have demo(s) of the Mankato through two Moogerfooger ringmods.

Demo 1 QMMG in VCA mode- MankatoVsQMMG1.aif - 10.31MB

Sorry, I'll convert the rest of the demos into Mp3. They should stream directly from Zshare then.

I'll make new posts for every demo. I hope these demos titillate your senses Dinner at the Y

Suburban Bather · Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2009 5:41 pm Post subject:

Demo 2 QMMG in Both mode-
MankatoVsQMMG2.mp3 - 1.49MB

Suburban Bather · Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2009 5:56 pm Post subject:

Demo 3 in LP mode on the QMMG-
MankatoVsQMMG3.mp3 - 1.72MB

Suburban Bather · Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2009 6:13 pm Post subject:

Demo 4, QMMG in HP mode-
MankatoVsQMMG4.mp3 - 1.81MB

More to come with the Mankato going through two ringmods later.

Muff Wiggler · Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2009 2:26 am Post subject:

ok, i took the damn freqshifter challenge you lazy sods angry

like i'm not busy enough already oops

ok - pretty cool actually! thanks stg...

i couldn't do it under ideal circumstances - I don't have two of the same ringmod. I have a CGS RR, a Klang Werk and a Dalek.

So, I got sick of waiting for you guys and i tried it out using different combinations of these - and it worked out pretty well!

I actually have a second CGS RR board here, I just need to wire up jacks and a panel, this gives me more reason to get off my ass to do that soon, so I'll repeat the test at that point and see how much of a difference it makes.

ok, patch as described a few pages back.

What you are hearing -

There's three sections, each seperated by a pause. At first you hear simply the 'source material', not going through any of the mankato-ringmods-phaseshift-mixer-frequencyshifter contraption. Just so you'll have an idea. It's simple - noise ring feeds a miniwave quantizer, drives a blacet VCO, sawtooth out recorded.

Ok, after the pause, you hear that same sawtooth, only this time routed through the contraption. This time it's CGSRR and Dalek. Mank starting at highest possible frequency, then the frequshift you hear is me lowering the frequency control on the mank. I lower it all the way, then bring it back up. Then repeat a couple of times at different speeds.

you WILL want your subwoofer powered up for this btw.

ok, then there's a pause, then it starts again.

in this third section, the Klang Werk has replaced the Dalek. Even though I'm injecting an external carrier into the KW, the three wave 'type' options each make the effect sound different, so you hear three down-up sweeps, the first on setting 1, the second on setting 2, the third on setting 3.

then i just get stupid for a bit and speed up the VCO and the noisering and just FSU for a while because it's so fun.

enjoy

Suburban Bather · Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2009 6:46 am Post subject:

pristak · Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2009 10:24 am Post subject:

Well, I just got the Mankato. I already have the Cwejman dual ring mod. It looks like I'll have to get a blacet Mixer/Processor and try this freq shifter patch out.

Suburban Bather · Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2009 11:10 pm Post subject:

Mankato-two ring mods.mp3 - 2.06MB
Not what I was expecting, but what the hell.

Roycie Roller · Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 12:09 am Post subject:

Nice demos guys! It sounds great as a frequency shifter. Can it do this?-

http://www.modcan.com/samples/fs/neal%20young.mp3

Muff Wiggler · Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 5:12 pm Post subject:

parasitk · Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 5:19 pm Post subject:

Muff - love the bit of the clip with the KlangWerk!

Suburban Bather · Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 5:42 pm Post subject:

Roycie Roller · Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 6:50 pm Post subject:

Actually, that was a joke! The first time i checked out Modcan's frequency shifter demos, i thought the Neil Young song was hilarious hihi

, but i love a lot of his music. I think the demo actually shows quite well just how far a frequency shifter can mangle sounds.

neandrewthal · Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 7:50 pm Post subject:

Suburban Bather · Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 7:52 pm Post subject:

Well I just tried this and no where near what the Modcan demo produces. I took the cd player out to a mixer for a mono signal, then to a signal processor to get the level up, sent that signal to a distributor to get the cd player into the ring modulators audio ins, the Mankato 12db and 24db outs into the carrier ins of the two ringmods, inverted the signal of one the ringmods outs, and mixed the two ringmod signals. All I got was a massively distorted signal of the music. I was able to produce some changes in sound, but it was still blanketed by a wall of distortion. Perhaps I need to try this patch in a different manner?

Sorry Roycie! I don't mean to offend, but when it comes to oldies, I really can't stand folky music. I have heard a few Neil Young tunes that were cool, but in general, its just not something I'd go for.

Roycie Roller · Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 8:09 pm Post subject:

No worries, i'm not offended. Most folk music IS pretty boring lol

I wonder if a demodulator would eliminate some of the distortion you're getting. Can you patch a demodulator with 2 moog ringmod's?

Suburban Bather · Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 8:57 pm Post subject:

Roycie Roller · Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 10:15 pm Post subject:

I was wondering if there might be a way to patch a demodulator with 2 moog ringmods, like the modDemod or 2 CGS Real Ring mods does..

Montag · Posted: Sat Apr 11, 2009 4:13 pm Post subject:

I can't wait for this to come out in Euro! Any word as to how close it's getting?

I hope the design resembles the frac version, as that looks so badass. I'm not sure if I'd dig the colored euro stg knobs on this module though, the silver frac ones would look great...

suitandtieguy · Posted: Sat Apr 11, 2009 6:06 pm Post subject:

there is another project in the queue which needs to be at prototype stage before any new STG Soundlabs modules are made.

the eumank will visually follow the style of the other EU format modules i make. sorry if that's disappointing.

Suburban Bather · Posted: Sat Apr 11, 2009 6:22 pm Post subject:

NV · Posted: Sat Apr 11, 2009 7:11 pm Post subject:

suitandtieguy · Posted: Sat Apr 11, 2009 8:23 pm Post subject:

for the record, if i stock the knob, i'll put it on at request.

Montag · Posted: Sat Apr 11, 2009 9:44 pm Post subject:

Awesome.

The aesthetics isn't a huge deal, and I do like the colored knobs on your other euro modules, but I just really dig the look for the frac Mankato. Is the panel layout going to be similar?

I love modules that stand out because, as suburban bather pointed out, it's much easier to navigate the system when playing.

NV · Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2009 1:43 pm Post subject:

Kent · Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2009 2:04 pm Post subject:

I experienced exactly that issue when playing about with the Curetronic rig. If you don't know the system & modules by heart, it is sooooo easy to get confused and lost.

ach_gott · Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2009 3:27 pm Post subject:

I really don't find it hard to navigate my large rig at all. I know exactly where everything is. And since no one else plays it, I guess it's never been an issue.

Now, having said that, I am not a slave to the grid and I really like the MOTM design of the STG Mankato filter. Now I just need to cough up some money and buy one. love

russma · Posted: Sat Dec 12, 2009 8:54 pm Post subject:

Apologies for the necro-threading, but is the Mankato still available in MOTM-format?

It's out of stock at AH, so I thought I'd check here. Forgive me if the answer is ancient history.

IB

dude · Posted: Sat Dec 12, 2009 10:16 pm Post subject:

i was wondering the same thing...thinking about buying another a ways down the road.

theinnerpalm · Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 10:10 am Post subject:

^^^ me too

decaying.sine · Posted: Sun Dec 27, 2009 9:56 am Post subject:

I ordered the MOTM Mankato from AH at the end of Nov/begining of Dec. At the time, it still said in stock. Shawn contacted me and said that was a mistake. He checked with STG who still had the PCB and MOTM face plate. STG built it up in less than a week, and shipped it directly from the Soundlabs. She sits pretty at my place now! I thought Shawn mentioned that there wouldn't be many more (or any more) MOTM Mankato's from STG. However, I would simply ask STG, and I am sure you'll get a quick response.

SynthBaron · Posted: Sun Dec 27, 2009 11:01 am Post subject:

suitandtieguy · Posted: Sun Dec 27, 2009 12:14 pm Post subject:

there will be four more MOTM format Manks and that's it from me, unless you want to pay 800 USD and wait two months. if you want one, let Shawn know. I'll be building them sometime over the next month.

I should mention, in regards to my grid "violation", that I currently use MOTM format Wave Folder panel stock as scrap aluminum for random jackfields. for example Droolmaster0's cabinets use one cut in two pieces, one for DIN sync and the other for power inlet.

russma · Posted: Mon Dec 28, 2009 4:30 pm Post subject:

Any designer worth his salt knows that grids are meant to be broken.

cool

dude · Posted: Mon Dec 28, 2009 4:37 pm Post subject:

just wanted to say one more time that my motm format mankato is my favorite analog vco and i couldn't give a shit about 'the grid'. i think the grid is boring and the layout design on ALL the mank's are just straight pure amazing and inspiring. it is beautiful and looks/works great next to motm/modcan/oakley/cgs. imnsho.

Suit And Tie Guy!

wsy · Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 10:46 am Post subject: Ahhh.... now I understand.

suitandtieguy · Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2012 7:08 am Post subject:

way to bring a thread back from the grave!!

and yeah fuck the grid. (however i like The Grid, Richard Norris and David Ball, quite a bit.)

det3 · Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2012 2:45 pm Post subject:

It's not directly related, but apropos. Seymour Cray (the famed supercomputer designer) once said of his computer designs, which were aesthetic marvels - "Computers are a part of your environment, so they should be more than just rectangular boxes. In that vein, we make computers, not test equipment"

While the systems were functional, they sure were sexy. The point is, you have to have balance, and not rely on a group of rules blindly. In my first modular system design several years ago, I fell prey to the "godless grid" - and Suit promptly smacked me upside the head. We've been colleagues and friends ever since. :-)