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AntManBee
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 Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 1:14 pm Post subject: Joystick modules? |
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Am I right that nthere are only three euro joystick modules currently available?
Doepfer A-174-1
FoH Choices
Blue Lantern
If so, is there any reason why I shouldn't buy the Doepfer? |
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| I really like Choices. You can run AC/DC into it (audio or CV) and it's got a handy gate trigger. The Doepfer doesn't do this - it just has basic CV out for X and Y. From what I can tell the Blue Lantern offers a bit more than the Doepfer, but not as much as Choices... it is smaller though. |
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analogue systems rs220
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| Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 2:18 pm Post subject: Re: Joystick modules? |
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| AntManBee wrote: |
If so, is there any reason why I shouldn't buy the Doepfer? |
The main reason for not buying the Doepfer is that Choices is better. |
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My Asys RS-220 does not have the option to remove the centering springs, I think it's a newer revision or something.
The whole stick assembly now has an enclosure around it.
A bit annoying, since it's actually stated in the official information you can have it sprung or 'free'.
Back ontopic, the Choices seems to me like the allround best choice.
Now that it's even skiff-friendly I must get one myself.
I don't think the Doepfer has an integrated trigger button, while the Choices does offer one. The Asys also doesn't.
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I am sure the Doepfer is fine (I'm a big Doepfer fan) but Choices packs in a lot of functionality.
Having both offset and scaling is great. For example, I'm currently sending a Noisering output 2 to both x and y on the Choices. x and y are set up with different offset/scaling settings. x and y are then quantised separately (using both channels of A156 on one of the chord settings) and the outputs sent to 2 oscillators (tuned in unison). Play around with the joystick - instant harmonised melody heaven (think Steve Reich or Keith Fullerton Whitman's Generator(s)). Why am I writing this.....? Ah yes - don't think it would be as fun using the Doepfer.
I think you would need some VCAs to get the same results using the A174
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ive got the BL joystick. no separate button but the joystick can be clicked like a button which will trigger a gate or pass through a signal. It is smaller than choices but you can have other dense modules crammed too close to either side as the joystick leans further then the width of the module by a tad.
The joystick is spring loaded... i thought i'd prefer that but i like the space that choices offers. I dont have choices but i can see adding it down the road when i get to putting a performance oriented skiff together.
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| Hanz wrote: | My Asys RS-220 does not have the option to remove the centering springs, I think it's a newer revision or something.
The whole stick assembly now has an enclosure around it.
A bit annoying, since it's actually stated in the official information you can have it sprung or 'free'.
Back ontopic, the Choices seems to me like the allround best choice.
Now that it's even skiff-friendly I must get one myself.
I don't think the Doepfer has an integrated trigger button, while the Choices does offer one. The Asys also doesn't. |
same joystick, to remove the springs you have to open the plastic cover (remove the 4 screws) and then you can get to the springs. I have one done and one not in my french connection and sorcerer keyboards.
also I love the Choices and have one in a performance skiff I use but I love the action of the RS220 and I think its because I have had them for a while so have gotten used to the sweet spots and action of that particular one 
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Mmm, interesting, will have another look. What do you like better, sprung or unsprung?
BTW was it now the RS-220 where you could remove the spring, but once removed it could not be re-applied?
Mine came as part of my Demon CV keyboard, interestingly enough there was already a normalization made - from the Y AXIS OUT of the RS-220 to the CV IN of the RS-330.
Little red wire running inside... Since it was undocumented AFAIK, I asked Bob, and he confirmed it was stock.
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| Hanz wrote: | Mmm, interesting, will have another look. What do you like better, sprung or unsprung?
BTW was it now the RS-220 where you could remove the spring, but once removed it could not be re-applied?
Mine came as part of my Demon CV keyboard, interestingly enough there was already a normalization made - from the Y AXIS OUT of the RS-220 to the CV IN of the RS-330.
Little red wire running inside... Since it was undocumented AFAIK, I asked Bob, and he confirmed it was stock. |
I like my joystick both ways guess because I use it two different ways, guess I am a bit Bi..... LOL seriously though its not THAT hard to put them back on after you take them off but it is fiddly. When I removed mine I taped them to the underside of the module so they are there and I dont have to go looking all around for these tiny springs.
take the module out, flip it over, undo the bottom plastic plate of the joystick assembly (4 small phillips head screws) that will expose the inners of the Joystick assembly. There should be 2 springs, best to keep the joystick centred while you do this (so they are not under tension) and with a pair of needle nose pliers remove the spring from the hook on the joystick first then the one on the joystick body.
do the same for the other side and you should be a happy camper. If you need to put them back on its the same process in reverse but a bit more fiddly.
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Does the FoH Choices have springs? It looks like the one to get based on what has been written above.
The ASys module is ugly & big & I really can't be bothered with holes in the wrong place and adapters - ASys has become the Betamax of euro. |
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| AntManBee wrote: | Does the FoH Choices have springs? It looks like the one to get based on what has been written above.
The ASys module is ugly & big & I really can't be bothered with holes in the wrong place and adapters - ASys has become the Betamax of euro. |
ho ho! good analogy -but betamax was better quality reproduction than VHS though |
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| abstraktor wrote: | | AntManBee wrote: | | The ASys module is ugly & big & I really can't be bothered with holes in the wrong place and adapters - ASys has become the Betamax of euro. |
ho ho! good analogy - but betamax was better quality reproduction than VHS though |
Yeah, I know, that's the irony - clearly ASys don't make bad modules and several, despite their large size and somewhat amateurish appearance, are great - it's just a pain that they use a different format to every other euro manufacturer and it seems strange-bodering-on-perverse that they don't acquiesce. |
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| AntManBee wrote: | | Does the FoH Choices have springs? It looks like the one to get based on what has been written above. |
Sprung joysticks are an abomination in the eyes of the synth gods.
Is it not written that a joystick should stay EXACTLY WHERE I PUT IT until I want it to move?
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| Umcorps wrote: | | AntManBee wrote: | | Does the FoH Choices have springs? It looks like the one to get based on what has been written above. |
Sprung joysticks are an abomination in the eyes of the synth gods.
Is it not written that a joystick should stay EXACTLY WHERE I PUT IT until I want it to move?
Flight follows the One True Path. |
So it doesn't just flop over when you let go? |
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| radiodread87 wrote: | | Hanz wrote: | My Asys RS-220 does not have the option to remove the centering springs, I think it's a newer revision or something.
The whole stick assembly now has an enclosure around it.
A bit annoying, since it's actually stated in the official information you can have it sprung or 'free'.
Back ontopic, the Choices seems to me like the allround best choice.
Now that it's even skiff-friendly I must get one myself.
I don't think the Doepfer has an integrated trigger button, while the Choices does offer one. The Asys also doesn't. |
same joystick, to remove the springs you have to open the plastic cover (remove the 4 screws) and then you can get to the springs. I have one done and one not in my french connection and sorcerer keyboards.
also I love the Choices and have one in a performance skiff I use but I love the action of the RS220 and I think its because I have had them for a while so have gotten used to the sweet spots and action of that particular one |
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So it doesn't just flop over when you let go? |
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| Umcorps wrote: | | AntManBee wrote: |
So it doesn't just flop over when you let go? |
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I feel a strange sense of calm... |
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| Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 5:34 am Post subject: |
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| Umcorps wrote: | | AntManBee wrote: |
So it doesn't just flop over when you let go? |
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I admire a man who puts a video where his mouth is. Bloody fast too.
I am removing the springs from my ugly Rs220!
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