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tuanuibi
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 3:17 am    Post subject: Convincing my guitarist pal to get some 5U in his life Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Howdy guys,

I think I've successfully convinced my friend (guitarist) to get some modular gear in to his set up to integrate with his pedal board...
(It didn't take much convincing after running his guitar through my Megaohm Audio Delta VCF hihi )

He want's me to give him a proposed mini set up (10 units wide) and I've come up with the following:

Megaohm Audio Delta VCF
Groove Audio DUAL VC LFO/VCA
YuSynth Complete Sample and Hold (from Bridechamber)
Krisp1 built Oakley Deep Equinox Phaser (Krisp1 built)
Krisp1 built Oakley Mini Mix (Krisp1 built)
DotCom Instrument Interface

I'll build a pine case and the small dotcom portable supply should do the trick. I can also put together an 8 x true bypass switch, if he wants.

DIG/No good?

Anyone have some amazing ideas?

Thanks,

Josh

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 7:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Given that guitarists usually have both hands busy you may want to recommend a Dotcom pedal interface and a couple of rocker pedals to modulate things like filter cutoff.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 9:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Moogerfoogers.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 9:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

The problem with Moogerfoogers is that you're paying for a lot of duplication, particularly power supplies and enclosures. They're a good used buy though.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 11:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Christopher Winkels wrote:
Given that guitarists usually have both hands busy you may want to recommend a Dotcom pedal interface and a couple of rocker pedals to modulate things like filter cutoff.


Christopher Winkels wrote:
The problem with Moogerfoogers is that you're paying for a lot of duplication, particularly power supplies and enclosures. They're a good used buy though.


Agreed on both points, and wanted to add that the Moog EP-2 would be a good candidate for a rocker pedal. Should be able to find them for about $20 used.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 7:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

The DotCom Instrument Interface has a gate output that you might want to get an envelope generator for. Oakley's VCADSR has a useful looping function that can be set to loop whenever there's a gate signal. I'd think that would be pretty nice w/a guitar set up.

But remember, you can lead a guitarist to modular, but you can't make him wiggle!

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 7:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

I was prodominantly a guitar player until I started playing with synthesizers. Then discovered modular madness.

Although I haven't checked out the instrument interface yet...may do so in the future.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 7:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

My prophet08 sounds raw as f**k through the instrument interface. Sometimes it sounds like a real guitar..
Awesome module.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 8:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

sempervirent wrote:
Christopher Winkels wrote:
Given that guitarists usually have both hands busy you may want to recommend a Dotcom pedal interface and a couple of rocker pedals to modulate things like filter cutoff.


Christopher Winkels wrote:
The problem with Moogerfoogers is that you're paying for a lot of duplication, particularly power supplies and enclosures. They're a good used buy though.


Agreed on both points, and wanted to add that the Moog EP-2 would be a good candidate for a rocker pedal. Should be able to find them for about $20 used.

Agree on all of those points. We've got a bunch of the foogers between us already. They're great, but I don't think its a real match for a full 5U set up.

emdot_ambient wrote:
The DotCom Instrument Interface has a gate output that you might want to get an envelope generator for. Oakley's VCADSR has a useful looping function that can be set to loop whenever there's a gate signal. I'd think that would be pretty nice w/a guitar set up.

But remember, you can lead a guitarist to modular, but you can't make him wiggle!

Great idea. Might put that on the list (I wanted one anyway, so maybe I can steal it off him applause )

SDC wrote:
My prophet08 sounds raw as f**k through the instrument interface. Sometimes it sounds like a real guitar..
Awesome module.

Just what i wanted to hear! I'm wanting to get one for my crumar performer's Raw osc out.


Thanks again guys.

...we'll get him wiggling.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 8:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Analog Craftsman will have the Gristleizer available at some point and that would be a lot of fun for Guitars I bet. LFO controlling either a VCA or VCF with different waveforms and CV control.

If Doug at SSL ever makes the 1U Sync LFO (slimmed down tap tempo), that would be a great fit as well for modulating all kinds of stuff.

The MoogerFoogers do make great Guitar friendly instruments. They are a bit on the expensive side but they treat the whole idea of a synth in a way that includes guitars. The combinations of things really make for unique treatment of sound giving some unexpected but exciting sounds.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 12:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

emdot_ambient wrote:
The DotCom Instrument Interface has a gate output that you might want to get an envelope generator for.


The Q118 has an envelope generator already built in.

emdot_ambient wrote:
you can lead a guitarist to modular, but you can't make him wiggle!


quoted for truth Guinness ftw!

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 1:09 am    Post subject: Re: Convincing my guitarist pal to get some 5U in his life Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

tuanuibi wrote:
Anyone have some amazing ideas?


The dotcom Q118 looks nice, but it doesn't do pitch tracking. Can anyone suggest a good pitch-to-voltage module?

PS: I know that the tracking on analog p-to-v modules ranks somewhere between "touchy" and "terrible", but they can still be fun for studio guitar work and/or crazy sounds.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 6:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

I've got a small bass rig in 5U, mainly Oakley/MOTM, with Oakley EFG http://www.oakleysound.com/follower.htm as a 2U build with the built in little lag module for envelope filter effects, the equinoxe phaser and the transistor ladder filter, though I find myself using the frostwave resonator (ms20 filter clone) more often (great with the EFG and a volume pedal for autwah with some control) and the MOTM-830 which lets me mix the out from the EFG with the input of my volume pedal (basically 9 volts going through an earnie ball volume pedal - the pedal interface would work better I think) and be able to mix the dry bass with the filter & phaser at the same time. I think my next module might be a ring mod.

I've never found a good solution to pitch tracking, my ideal would have been to get an osc tracking the pitch and use that for filter FM/ ringmod but I think thats ambitious for the technology so I'm going to build an uglyface to get that broken square wave sound behind a 1U panel and see how that works (PBC here: http://musicpcb.com/ )

The key for me has been being able to mix the EFG output with a steady control source from the volume pedal - makes the filter and phaser much more expressive feeling.

And I put a limiter after all this - easy to create amp destroying frequencies/volumes!
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2012 11:25 am    Post subject: Re: Convincing my guitarist pal to get some 5U in his life Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

drmarble wrote:
PS: I know that the tracking on analog p-to-v modules ranks somewhere between "touchy" and "terrible", but they can still be fun for studio guitar work and/or crazy sounds.


I think some good results can be obtained, but it does require prep of the signal and adjustment to playing style.

This was just an improv/demo track that I did with a Korg X-911 being controlled by an Alembic bass. All the buzzy Korg-sounds that you hear were played using the bass:

http://www.hillscloud.com/music/Squelch.mp3

I had squashed the bass signal with a compressor, used the Alembic's built in LPF to take some edge off and improve tracking, and played mostly in the mid/upper register. The bass line mixes the bass and synth signals, and rest is the straight synth sound. There's a part a 0:48 where you can hear it accurately tracking some leading notes and slides.

I liked it best when it spazzes out, though! The blips at 0:15 in this track were made by running my palm over the roundwound strings, with the Korg freaking out trying to find the pitch.

I thought it did a respectable job overall, but I'm sure the bass, signal, and the playing are huge parts of that equation. That Alembic bass has a very balanced sound across the strings and up the neck. Had I used my Gibson EB-3 or something of that ilk, it'd probably be a whole different story...

Wish there was a 5U module available for p-to-v. I had an rs35 sitting here, but decided that I didn't want to start into euro and I didn't have time to port it to 5U.. so I ended up selling it waah I'm thinking about re-buying the Korg at some point. Fun unit.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 3:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Thanks for the input, guys! - he's 90% convinced

I just ordered the DOTCOM instrument interface for myself, hopefully that will be the deal maker!

drmarble:
That link isn't working for me..

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 10:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

I really think the Moogerfoogers are the best option for guitar players. You can't play guitar and mess with a modular at the same time. And the Freqbox seems to do exactly what you want so far as pitch tracking is concerned. Why disregard them? They are so much more practical than a full 5U setup for guitar. And not too expensive used. The price of a dotcom PSU alone can buy one Moogerfooger. I loved the results I got running my guitar through them.
Although, I must admit I sold all of them when I hung up the guitar and started playing synth exclusively...
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2012 4:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

tuanuibi wrote:
drmarble: That link isn't working for me..


?? I didn't post a link...

Ancestor wrote:
I really think the Moogerfoogers are the best option for guitar players. You can't play guitar and mess with a modular at the same time. And the Freqbox seems to do exactly what you want so far as pitch tracking is concerned. Why disregard them?


I do think Moogerfoogers are great - however, I don't think the Freqbox actually does pitch-to-cv conversion. If it did, you'd see a pitch CV output jack. The Freqbox has a few tricks, but the primary one is hard syncing the internal oscillator with an input signal. Hard sync circuits are fun, but that's not pitch-to-cv conversion.

There's a schematic floating around the web for a hard sync guitar box called the Crash Sync. See attached... very few parts needed, especially if you already have a fuzz box you can just add the sync part to. The opamps in the circuit are just making a square wave to trigger the oscillator, so to add this to an existing fuzz you'd just need to add a 555 chip and the few parts around it. I built one into a preamp rack box, it sounds like nothing else in the studio...
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