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PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 12:00 pm    Post subject: Where do I start with Merzbow? Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

I'd like to listen to some Merzbow but there's so much - where do I start? Is there an obvious way in?
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 12:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

His mid-to-late 90s releases on Alien8 (Aqua Necromancer, Door Open at 8am) and Relapse (Pulse Demon, Tauromachine) are to my mind the easiest entry points (easy being relative, of course).
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 12:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

my 2 euro c would be on frog.

http://www.discogs.com/Merzbow-Frog/release/169650

a collaboration, but most certainly pretty accessible, is the album he did with Kim Cascone Rondo / 7Phases / Blowback

http://www.discogs.com/Merzbow-Kim-Cascone-Rondo-7Phases-Blowback/rele ase/346881


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 12:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Pulse Demon
I think it was the first noise I ever heard. It was a bright summer morning waking up with a bracing hangover. It was an awakening.

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"Last of the analog sessions" 3 CD set on Important Records. Crazy harsh noise made with mostly EMS Synthi, VCS3 etc etc... best headcleaner out there!

...and of course the Partikel-collabs he made with me wink

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 1:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

nrdvrgr wrote:
"Last of the analog sessions" 3 CD set on Important Records. Crazy harsh noise made with mostly EMS Synthi, VCS3 etc etc... best headcleaner out there!

Great - thanks - I just found a copy and it seems rare enough that if I hate it I'll be able to sell it...

"mostly EMS Synth, VCS3 etc" - so will it be like Jean Michel Jarre?!
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 2:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

AntManBee wrote:
"mostly EMS Synth, VCS3 etc" - so will it be like Jean Michel Jarre?!

LOL! thumbs up

My first (and only, so far) Merzbow was Amlux...I quite like it, but will be checking out some of the other suggestions in this thread.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 2:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

I picked up Pulse Demon first, which I still love. I also really dig Venereology, Amlux, V (with Pan Sonic).
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 2:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i only own pulse demon, but it was enough to put me off ever buying any more, haha! lol it's probably the most obnoxious music i've ever heard. if that's your bag you might like it!

no disrespect meant to anyone, i'm just not really into that type of noise/power electronics these days.
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Babaluma wrote:
no disrespect meant to anyone, i'm just not really into that type of noise/power electronics these days.

I don't think I am either - my idea of a good time nowadays is a walk in Suffolk - but I'm intrigued to know what lies at the outskirts instead of staying within my musical comfort zone.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 3:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

If you have chaos in your head, you might like it. I do.

I think obnoxious is the wrong word though. Annoying? Maybe.

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AntManBee, PM me your addy and I'll send you the CD! smile
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Pulse Demon. Music For Bondage Performance one. Hybrid Noisebloom.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 4:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

+1
on the Cascone/Merzbow CD. It's pretty accessible and I played it for a friend as an introduction.

The MB tribute Milanese Bestiality release is pretty good as an introduction.

I would recommend Cloud Cock OO Grand and Batztoutai With Material Gadgets for some more classic old school Merzbow, but they might be a bit far out as a starter unless you already dig noise.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 5:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

I recommend the Relapse and Extreme CDs as being fairly representative and not so rare as to be pricey. Also RRR usually has some excellent ones. Batztoutai got me hooked
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 5:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

here are some of my fav merz releases

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 7:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Not a fan myself, but stumbled on this yesterday:

http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/3811/merzbow.png
(ultra wide image)

Sometimes good ideas sprout from 4chan, of all places! More like those here:
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Just get Veneriology and go from there. It will be easy after you absorb that brainfuck of an album.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 7:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Babaluma wrote:
it's probably the most obnoxious music i've ever heard.


Better stay away from The Gerogerigegege then.

Not a fan myself mind you!

For the OP: An "easy" in is "Music for Bondage Performance" - only lightly touches on noise. If you want to jump straight in there wait for Babaluma's copy of Pulse Demon. In the middle - maybe "1930" on Tzadik?

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EDIT: Link fixed, sorry...

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 7:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

I'm not too much of a merzbow connoisseur but i always enjoyed merzbeat which i've been told is on the more "listenable" end of the spectrum.
I have Zophorus too which I think newer and pretty good.
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If I had a main go-to Merzbow through the years, it would definitely be:



Metalvelodrome. The Alchemy releases have never been easy to find, but they are my faves.
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I like some Merzbow, like 1930, but I think Massona is a lot more interesting and rewarding. Check out Ejaculation Generater or Frequency LSD.
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And Aube is usually lumped in with the other Japanoise guys but personally I feel his music is a bit more sophisticated than most of that, more in line with some of the European experimental school...

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what's the name of the record where he collaborated with a female singer, and the songs were split with Merzbow on one channel, and the singer on the other?

It would have been pre-2000.

It's been haunting me for years and I've had no luck finding it in Merzbow's vast discography.
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LoFi Junglist wrote:
what's the name of the record where he collaborated with a female singer, and the songs were split with Merzbow on one channel, and the singer on the other?

It would have been pre-2000.

It's been haunting me for years and I've had no luck finding it in Merzbow's vast discography.


Would be Merzbow/Ladybird - Balance would it not?

http://www.discogs.com/Merzbow-Ladybird-Balance/release/107299

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Thankyou so much dude. I've been looking for those covers for so long.

Found one of the tracks on Youtube to confirm... in some bullshit playlist called "hipster credentials"

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Found one of the tracks on Youtube to confirm... in some bullshit playlist called "hipster credentials"


WTF? lol

I must confess to having an unfair advantage, I probably know more about Merzbow's back catalogue than I should. Back in the days before discogs most artist discographies were hosted on dedicated sites and I was slated to do a Merzbow page for Brainwashed. Fell through but I did get most of the discography done, 200+ titles I think at that stage?

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jonah wrote:
Frequency LSD.


thumbs up SlayerBadger! SlayerBadger!

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Batztoutai With Material Gadgets is pretty good.
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ringstone wrote:


Better stay away from The Gerogerigegege then.





Hahaha.

My band recorded a couple of songs for a Gerogerigegege tribute that , as far as I know, never came out.

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BTW "Antimonument" has to have the best picture disc art I have ever seen:



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Sorry for some shameless self-promo again, but I think that maybe the forthcoming third collaboration between Akita-san and me might interest some of you. We decided many years ago to do a trilogy, and we recorded the last part during this winter. The first two were a mixture of his classic trademark noise and my ambient textures; like this:



For the last third installment (CD on Cold Spring Records later this year) "Partikel III" we decided to go all analog and droning, so it will be one of the more calmer and accessible Merzbow offerings ever released. As a big fan I must say that I have never heard something similar in style from him - I was quite surprised when I heard it the first time!

I also would like to add that I consider it a big honor to be able to have worked with one of my biggest influences. I am truly blessed.

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nrdvrgr wrote:

I also would like to add that I consider it a big honor to be able to have worked with one of my biggest influences. I am truly blessed.


This is great! I am happy to know he owns my old VCS3 :-)

I bought the Merzbient box but was really hoping it woulf be like this!

One thing I have always wondered is if he has tenitus or uses ear protection.

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I love his collaborations with Boris, especially the Walrus LP on Hydrahead Records.
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not familiar with much of Merzbow's work but so far I'm really enjoying Pulse Demon and Merzbeat! I'll have to check out some more of these

Really like that track you posted Nrdvrgr!! SlayerBadger!
Looking forward to the final part of your collaboration, it's sounds like it'll be very interesting!

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1930 is a great album.
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I started with animal magnetism, then checked out a little Pulse Demon.

I haven't really acquired the taste yet, but I do like the idea of auditory catharsis. I listen to it when I'm, you know, upset.
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I started with animal magnetism, then checked out a little Pulse Demon.

I haven't really acquired the taste yet, but I do like the idea of auditory catharsis. I listen to it when I'm, you know, upset.
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jonah wrote:
I like some Merzbow, like 1930, but I think Massona is a lot more interesting and rewarding. Check out Ejaculation Generater or Frequency LSD.


indeed! but Masonna is even so much better live! AMAZING!!!! one of the best shows I've seen. That is how it's done!
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http://www.discogs.com/Merzbow-Gore-Beyond-Necropsy-Rectal-Anarchy/rel ease/102341
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I enjoy his collaboration with Russell Haswell that was released on Warp of all places. The cover is very appealing too!

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lol Now that's different for an album cover. I also really like his collab with Alec Empire- http://www.discogs.com/Alec-Empire-vs-Merzbow-Live-CBGBs-NYC-1998/rele ase/167775
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Start with the Merzbox thumbs up Probably my favourite release in my whole recordcollection love

The mid 90s stuff is in my opinion his most interesting work, and if you're not into the harscher stuff, maybe go for one of the Boriscollabs? Sun baked snow cave and Rock dream are both awesome albums.

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I've loved the Japanese noise scene for ages.
Have listened to every Merzbow CD release up to 2005 (and most tapes, vinyls, and many after 2005).
He lost me there... I find most of his later output to be just boring (with some great exceptions).

Anyway, like some others mentioned, the 90's was his best period (this goes for the whole noise scene IMHO), but made some great releases in the 80's too.

Recommended "easier" releases for beginners:
Scumtron (remixes & original recordings)
Merzbow / Genesis P-Orridge - A Perfect Pain
Amlux
Aqua Necromancer
Offering

Recommended for beginners looking for something highly representative:
Great American Nude / Crash For Hi-Fi
Tauromachine

my favourites:
Flesh Metal Orgasm
Dutch Tour 1989
Axx / Spooning
Cloud Cock 00 Grand
Rainbow Electronics
PGR / Merzbow / Asmus Tietchens - Grav
Great American Nude / Crash For Hi-Fi
Music For Bondage Performance
Music For The Dead Man 2: Return Of The Dead Man
Hole
Wakantanka / Aboriginie of Anniversary 50 Years After War
Spiral Honey
Rainbow Electronics 2
Merzbow / John Watermann - Brisbane-Tokyo Interlace
Mercurated
Magnesia Nova
Akasha Gulva
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1930
Door Open At 8 AM
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Not specific to this thread (as I've seen it elsewhere), but I don't understand all the love for the Merzbox and the discs on Release/Relapse.

I like weirdo/experimental/tape stuff, but quite a lot of what's on the Merzbox is totally inane and boring to my ears. I've owned the Merzbox for 3 years, and I've only managed to get through the first 36 discs so far. (I own ~100 other Merzbow releases.) Unless there's some brilliant stuff on the last discs, it definitely scrapes the bottom of the barrel.

The discs on Release/Relapse (Venereology, Pulse Demon, Tauromachine) ain't bad at all, and are pretty easy to find, but are not the best.

If you want noise: Oersted
If you want noisy & rhythmic: Aqua Necromancer
If you want a bit more rhythmic: Timehunter
If you want more ambient/experimental: Music For Bondage Performance
If you want easier/more mellow noise: Merzzow
If you want old tape/experimental stuff: Age Of 369 / Chant 2

Rock Dream with Boris is really good too, if you want to try it from a somewhat different perspective.
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I once had an apartment in a dreary northern city. The other people living in the house were really annoying. I came home one evening and they were making a lot of noise, as usual. I set the stereo to top volume and loaded up "Ananga Ranga." 30 minutes later, the house was dead quiet. Even if they would have been brave enough to knock on the door and ask me to turn it down, I wouldn't have been able to hear them.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2012 8:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

diophantine wrote:
Not specific to this thread (as I've seen it elsewhere), but I don't understand all the love for the Merzbox and the discs on Release/Relapse.

I like weirdo/experimental/tape stuff, but quite a lot of what's on the Merzbox is totally inane and boring to my ears. I've owned the Merzbox for 3 years, and I've only managed to get through the first 36 discs so far. (I own ~100 other Merzbow releases.) Unless there's some brilliant stuff on the last discs, it definitely scrapes the bottom of the barrel.

Well, IMO you have the best in front of you - most between #36-50 are great albums smile

From the top of my head, these are highly enjoyable as well:
#13: Material Action 2 (N.A.M)
#31: Merzbow & Achim Wollscheid KIR Transformation
#32: Scissors For Cutting Merzbow Vol. 1
#33: Scissors For Cutting Merzbow Vol. 2

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 3:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List



Great classic noisevideo with some legendary perfomances. Watch the locals in the Merzbow gig hihi

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 12:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

i'm partial to merzzow myself, plenty of psychedelia to be had in that album. spiral honey is also high on the list.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 6:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

I'm listening (is that the right word?) to Pulse Demon, kindly sent by Babaluma. Merzbow certainly wins the 'loudness wars' - this must be the loudest CD I've ever played - it could have been called 'the art of digital clipping' or 'music as a square wave' - fuck!

I'm going to need some time with this but right now it's making my fillings fall out and my ears bleed.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 6:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

AntManBee wrote:
I'm listening (is that the right word?) to Pulse Demon, kindly sent by Babaluma. Merzbow certainly wins the 'loudness wars' - this must be the loudest CD I've ever played - it could have been called 'the art of digital clipping' or 'music as a square wave' - fuck!

I'm going to need some time with this but right now it's making my fillings fall out and my ears bleed.


Cool, glad it got to you OK and that you are "enjoying" it. wink You should rip a track and check it out in an audio editor...
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 9:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Babaluma wrote:
You should rip a track and check it out in an audio editor...


I did that a couple of weeks ago for no reason, bursted out in laughter.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 10:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Me too! lol
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 11:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Too way out for my likening, like noise for the sake of pure noise.

Yet, still, I have this one:

http://essence-music.com/releases/camouflage/

Released around here by a friend of mine who owns a micro-Latin American label dedicated to industrial.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 12:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

This is part of track 1 but the whole disc is continuous and is all pretty much like this.



So am I to understand that digital clipping is part of what I'm meant to be listening to? I'm struggling with this...even the cover gives me a headache
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 12:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I told you it was hardcore. wink

I never listen to noise any more, but if I did it would be Whitehouse, as at least they have lyrics to keep your mind interested (even if it is misogynistic doggerel).
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 1:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

I'm playing the Last of Analog Sessions album and it's much easier to listen to than Pulse Demon - anyway for me it has a much greater claim to being music than that moronic four-on-the-floor shit everyone seems to love.
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Told you wink
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 11:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

i havent hared all is stuff
more a masonna fan

but i do like merzob i very early stuff, like the pornoise 1kg tape box and stuff

the collaboration he did genesis p. O; was pretty good i think
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 10:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Merzbuddha
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Spiral Honey
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