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PostPosted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 5:18 pm    Post subject: Homogeneity and heterogeneity Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

I've just realised, in a lateral response to the 'Favourite Piece of Gear' thread, that with instruments I'm drawn to homogeneity rather than heterogeneity.

In terms of music-making my euro modular is the most useful & versatile instrument I have but, by its nature, is not really an instrument at all, rather a mutable collection of disparate parts. This heterogeneity allows great freedom in music-making, but elicits in me none of the fondness I feel say for my Les Paul or MS-20.

Also, because the euro modular is not a fixed entity, I constantly feel it could be better and so keep changing modules, in a way which is not fundamentally possible with the Les Paul or MS-20 - it's the integrity, the fixity (and the limitations), which define the character of the Les Paul and the MS-20 and make them such a joy to use but, ironically, it's the flexible nature of the euro modular which makes it, for me, innately unsatisfying and characterless. With euro I'm beginning to think that the huge diversity of choice is fundamentally a flaw.

I suspect this is why people are attracted to Serge or Buchla, as they both have coherance and a degree of fixity and limitation in their design which gives them character. This is probably why I continue to toy with the idea of selling my euro modular and buying an ARP 2600 or, more sensibly, a Serge Animal & TKB.

I don't know if I've written this very well as I've found it hard to put into words.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 5:43 pm    Post subject: Re: Homogeneity and heterogeneity Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

AntManBee wrote:


I suspect this is why people are attracted to Serge or Buchla, as they both have coherance and a degree of fixity and limitation in their design which gives them character. This is probably why I continue to toy with the idea of selling my euro modular and buying an ARP 2600 or, more sensibly, a Serge Animal & TKB.

I don't know if I've written this very well as I've found it hard to put into words.


hi, no it makes sense. I've observed a similar thing in others and while I tend to think of my frac modular as a collection of bits and a machine I think of the Wiard as an instrument. As you say, it has a coherence that goes back to the creator's initial intention/ vision which you either accept or reject.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 5:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Yup, your post makes a lot of sense to me and this is why my Euro rig consists of one manufacturer only and will remain that way. It feels like a growing entity, but still an instrument as a whole. It's the first time my Euro setup has really felt like this and I enjoy using it more.

I wish I had more standalone instruments sitting around as well. Really miss my Mono/Poly and 303, plus I have an SH3-a which has been sitting broken in my studio for about a year and a half. Needs to get some TLC as it's a fantastic synth and modded for CV/gate in and out.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 5:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

I think it makes sense, the greatest strength of Euro is also its greatest weakness, still I think it is a good beginners format as it allows you to find out what you like and what you don't, then either stay with it and expand in the areas of interest, or move to a different more specialised/specific format.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 7:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

The bulk of what you said had a lot to do with my departure from Euro to Serge. That and I realized if I sold all my Euro I could have the Serge I always wanted.

Serge, Buchla, Wiard, and a few other moduars are designed to be a system. People used to complain that Serge isn't really a modular because you can't move the modules around but to me if you go Buchla or Wiard you can move the modules around but you still need all the basic stuff to get going. I think a lot of people don't realize that most basic systems are pretty similar while bigger systems are just more of the same stuff salt and peppered with the more expensive modules.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 7:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

+1 to everything here. The cool thing is that both approaches are viable for different types of people.

Sometimes it feels weird to be a person that likes constraint.. but there is also lot to be said for learning about different systems and then picking a set of constraints that particularly inspires.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 8:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Since I'm not college edjamacated and big words elude my feeble mind, I didn't even know what this thread was about until I read it. Still, it makes sense to me. Although I love my modular for what it is, I tend to be more attached to certain other instruments and embrace the limitations and strengths of them more. I am able to wring the most out of my machines with the most limitations as I'm not distracted by all the other possibilities. I tend to actually work towards my initial goal and don't get as easily and completely sidetracked by happy accidents as I'm working. If I amd trying to achieve sound A, I tend to get it as close as the machine can without going to sounds B through K in the interim.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 8:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

I think it's important to realize that (notwithstanding the absence of a particular set of voltage standards in euro) a modular synth made up of a collection of modules from different manufacturers is no more or less "cohesive" and no more or less an "instrument" than one made up of modules from just one manufacturer.

...unless, of course, the look of the panel is your chief concern.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 8:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Dr. Sketch-n-Etch wrote:
I think it's important to realize that (notwithstanding the absence of a particular set of voltage standards in euro) a modular synth made up of a collection of modules from different manufacturers is no more or less "cohesive" and no more or less an "instrument" than one made up of modules from just one manufacturer.

...unless, of course, the look of the panel is your chief concern.


True, I didn't mean it in a broad sense for everyone, mainly how I feel when using Euro rigs. If it works for most people and it feels like an instrument to them, then that's all good as long as they enjoy using it!

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 10:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

i like my Buchla to be Buchla, but then i threw a euro case next to it with some format jumbling and it was an explosion of new flavors. so i sort of embrace both.
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