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kindredlost
suitandtieguy wrote:
the Time Buffer was only supposed to be the first entry point for sync signals. we intended all along to have a main master clock module called the Time Rotor, which would be a sync hub for MIDI, DIN, and tape/FSK sync. obviously this hasn't happened yet because i'm undercapitalised, but it's still going to happen. the Time Buffer isn't going away though i promise.
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later this year there will be changes. i only have 3 panels left for the Time Buffer the way it is now and i'm not reordering them.


This is great news. I hope to see the Time Rotor happen too. I love the small set of modules I have but am always wanting more "In The Modular" to control this suite.
dhergott1
Add Arturia drumbrute to the list of DIN friendly gear.
aj55
Isn't this also usefull:

http://www.doepfer.de/msy2.htm
dhergott1
What kind of connectors are used to connect the mini-store to the time buffer and shift manager? And where can one find them? Thanks!
Just me
They are 3 pin .100 spaced normal pin headers. You can make your own or contact Suit for cables.
Squattamolie
I'm a total fanboy for the Time Suite system - and it's important to understand that it is not just a set of modules, but an integrated *system* giving a lot more functionality than just the sum of the parts. I know that some folks wonder about the usefulness if they are not using DIN sync - video (hopefully) at the bottom.....

FWIW - I looked at (and passed on) the Time Suite years ago, because I didn't really understand just how much it surpasses (say) a set of individual sequencing modules. Once I tried it, I pretty much immediately ordered a 2nd full set, and have since added to it with the Time Divider and Switch modules - and will add the EGs once they ship. I initially felt that the modules were a bit pricey, and that's why I passed at first. It wasn't until I had a set that it became clear just how much power is in this system - you do indeed get what you pay for.

I've been really lazy about making video demos of the system, because to be honest - it's a bit overwhelming to try and demo it in a single, quick video. So I just did a quick video showing one Time Suite NOT under DIN sync control, but just clocking it from an LFO (which = the same as from other sequencers, clock signals, etc.).

Squattamolie
And here's a very basic vid of the Time Suite under DIN sync control...

Years ago, I went bonkers, spending weeks (literally, I'm not kidding) troubleshooting various clocking and sequencing modules, trying JUST to get everything to consistently start correctly, on the downbeat, and have all subdivisions line up correctly, etc. One of the main reasons I so completely endorse the STG Time Suite modules is that all that nonsense became irrelevant....it just works, all the time, every time....

Jturbide
great videos thumbs up
Squattamolie
TBH I get a bit discouraged (about trying to make videos showing how cool the TS is) because it just does _so_ much. So, OK, here's another quick example (lame, yes, I know, but then again so am I) showing just a tad of what the STG Switch module does (note that the module has no signals plugged into the inputs - just what is normalled from the sync buss)....

dhergott1
Just me wrote:
They are 3 pin .100 spaced normal pin headers. You can make your own or contact Suit for cables.


Yes, Suit hooked me up. applause
Squattamolie
And here's another (expanded) example of the STG Switch module, with a single Switch feeding 4 separate envelope generators. Though I say it in the vid, I want to also point out here that the STG Switch works equally well without having any other STG modules, it works "stand alone" just as well.

It's just more convenient and less patching if you do have one integrated into a Time Suite, and of course, the Time Suite gives utterly rock solid timing.

JohnLRice
Squattamolie, I've been enjoying the demos, thanks! w00t
steffengrondahl
Bump! Bumping this old tread.

I have been considering getting a time-suite for a long time. I'm closer to pulling the trigger but I have a lot of questions. Here we go:

  1. My DIN sync source is a ERM midiclock+. Should work. Has anyone used it with the Time Buffer? If so, does it work?
  2. Are there modules producing din sync? I've seen a thread with a yusynth master clock, but can neither find the thread again, nor anywhere to purchase the module waah
  3. I've seen modified Time Buffer modules with two inputs, on for clock (from a oscillator) and one for start/stop. But what is start/stop? I believe it is actually a on/off, 5V is on and 0V is off, so you need a 5V source to keep it running. Right? Or is it a toggling trigger?
  4. The Shift manager has a reset input for each connected mine-store module. But is it possible to reset the modules from the Time Buffer with some signal, for instance will the modules be reset when providing a start signal?
  5. The Time Divider has a start pulse output. I guess it sends a short pulse when the Time Buffer receives a start signal. Might be very useful for resetting, in particular other manufacturers sequencers (I've got some moon 569 sequencers). But is this what the start pulse does?
  6. How does the time-suite work with other modules? I'm particular interested in knowing if the triggers from the Trigger Mini-Store will work with the Corsynth drum modules, and the output from the Time Divider will work with Moon 564 sequential switch and 569 sequencer


Thats all zombie hihi

Oh ... and thank you Squattamolie for the nice videos thumbs up
Synth Con Meo
I am also now looking at the STG Time Suite. I currently have a Q960, Q961, Q962 and Q963. I also have the Q119, Q171 and Q172. And now that I am sort of figuring out more how to use them I am hankering for even more sequencing options. I like Squattamolie's videos and it's got me more interested in the Time Suite. I really like the rotating divisions so you're getting more than just 4 on the floor type of rhythms all time.

With that said I was also kind of researching the Moon Modular offerings in the 568 and 569 plus the support modules. But I still don't know a lot of how it all functions. Do the STG Time Suite and Moon modules work much like each other or are they completely different beasts?

I guess I am piggybacking a bit on the questions that steffengrondahl is asking.
Squattamolie
[quote="steffengrondahl"]
  1. My DIN sync source is a ERM midiclock+. Should work?
    I haven't used it but if it sends DIN sync it will work.

  2. Are there modules producing din sync? I've seen a thread with a yusynth master clock, but can neither find the thread again, nor anywhere to purchase the module waah
    No idea bt I'm unsure why you'd want one given that you have the ER-M and the Time Buffer has a DIN sync loop through (output)

  3. I've seen modified Time Buffer modules with two inputs, on for clock (from a oscillator) and one for start/stop. But what is start/stop? I believe it is actually a on/off, 5V is on and 0V is off, so you need a 5V source to keep it running. Right? Or is it a toggling trigger?
    Yeah, Suit will mod a Time Buffer for you (or I think it's possible to just make a cable that does the same thing maybe?). I think the start signal is held high for operation but I'm not sure.

  4. The Shift manager has a reset input for each connected mine-store module. But is it possible to reset the modules from the Time Buffer with some signal, for instance will the modules be reset when providing a start signal?
    With or without a Shift Manager, any time you start your clock master, all connected ministore modules will instantly reset to step one and do it correctly 100% of the time.

  5. The Time Divider has a start pulse output. I guess it sends a short pulse when the Time Buffer receives a start signal. Might be very useful for resetting, in particular other manufacturers sequencers (I've got some moon 569 sequencers). But is this what the start pulse does?
    Exactly.

  6. How does the time-suite work with other modules? I'm particular interested in knowing if the triggers from the Trigger Mini-Store will work with the Corsynth drum modules, and the output from the Time Divider will work with Moon 564 sequential switch and 569 sequencer
    I don't have either Corsynth drum module but my Trigger Ministores correctly trigger anything I've tried, including some old TAMA analog drum synths. I don't have a 569 but I have 563, 564 and 568 and both the trigger ministore and the Time Divider outputs drive any and all of them without any problems.


Synth Con Meo wrote:

I am also now looking at the STG Time Suite. I currently have a Q960, Q961, Q962 and Q963. I also have the Q119, Q171 and Q172. And now that I am sort of figuring out more how to use them I am hankering for even more sequencing options. I like Squattamolie's videos and it's got me more interested in the Time Suite. I really like the rotating divisions so you're getting more than just 4 on the floor type of rhythms all time.

With that said I was also kind of researching the Moon Modular offerings in the 568 and 569 plus the support modules. But I still don't know a lot of how it all functions. Do the STG Time Suite and Moon modules work much like each other or are they completely different beasts?

As I mentioned above, all the STG stuff works fine with Moon modules, but I also have two Q960 and they work just as well with one caveat: the design of the Q960 is such that if you send a trigger to the stage-1 input and an external clock starts coming into the "shift" input at the same time, the Q960 can become inconsistent (either one step ahead of where it is supposed to be or having more than one stage active at a time). I found the answer is to just use the Stage-9 inputs to have the Q960s always come to rest on stage-9, and that way when I start the master clock, both Q960s are always right on stage-1 correctly, with everything else. I hope all this helps.
Dr Gris
I've also been eyeing these modules.
Do all of them only use 5V?
What modules would be needed to form a decent set for basic sequencing?
Any idea how much Ampere that decent set of these will use?

I only have a single EG (without sidecar) that I know can be synced to this nanners

//M
steffengrondahl
Thank you, Squattamolie we're not worthy applause

You gave me the answers I was looking for. Just perfect.

Re: Dr Gris: You can find some of the information on modulargrid
For instance the Trigger Mini-Store draws 20 mA on 5V, the Voltage Mini-Store 18 mA on 5V.

Regarding modules for basic sequencing, I'll say a Time Buffer (if you have a DIN sync source), a Shift Manager and 3 Min-Stores (be Voltage and or Trigger).
I highly recommend this video demonstrating a simple setup:
Just me
I used the 5V on the power connector for my RUN switch added to my TB. I added a pilot light to show it was ON. Two input jacks. One for clock, the other for a remote RUN. It breaks the panel switch from the circuit when a plug is jacked in.
IMO, the minimum complement is 1 TB, 2 VMS, 1 TMS and 1 SM.
I have 4 VMS, 2 TMS & 2SM. The new envelope also ties into the Sync 24 Buss.
I would have his other modules, but already had modules for the functions. And then ran out of cabinet.
steffengrondahl
FYI: I tried to order a series of sequencer modules from Suit And Tie Guy! but it isn't possible at the moment. A bummer. I'll stick with my 568s and 554. For now. For good.
Synth Con Meo
steffengrondahl wrote:
FYI: I tried to order a series of sequencer modules from Suit And Tie Guy! but it isn't possible at the moment. A bummer. I'll stick with my 568s and 554. For now. For good.


So why can't you order them? Out of Stock? He generally has some lead time for each module that is shown on the STG site. You could order from Noisebug. That's where I've been getting my STG modules from (among others). I myself have been trying to figure out how to do some creative juggling of money to order up a STG Time suite setup. Of course one advantage I have is I am just a few hundred miles up north of Noisebug up in Oregon.
steffengrondahl
Synth Con Meo wrote:
steffengrondahl wrote:
FYI: I tried to order a series of sequencer modules from Suit And Tie Guy! but it isn't possible at the moment. A bummer. I'll stick with my 568s and 554. For now. For good.


So why can't you order them? Out of Stock? He generally has some lead time for each module that is shown on the STG site. You could order from Noisebug. That's where I've been getting my STG modules from (among others). I myself have been trying to figure out how to do some creative juggling of money to order up a STG Time suite setup. Of course one advantage I have is I am just a few hundred miles up north of Noisebug up in Oregon.


Suit and Tie Guy is to busy to deliver, and has some problems updating ths STG site. But I didn't consider Noisebug (have dealt with them several times before), so now I mailed them for availability. Thank you for reminding me of Noisebug thumbs up
Synth Con Meo
steffengrondahl wrote:

Suit and Tie Guy is to busy to deliver, and has some problems updating ths STG site. But I didn't consider Noisebug (have dealt with them several times before), so now I mailed them for availability. Thank you for reminding me of Noisebug thumbs up


Just curious, did you get a response from Blake at Noisebug yet?
steffengrondahl
^ Yes I got a response from Noisebug and they have them in stock. So I ordered and expect to recieve a nice package tuesday It's peanut butter jelly time!
suitandtieguy
hey guys, flattered by this old thread.

these modules were quite advanced ten years ago and I desperately want to revise them for the third decade of the 21st century.

basically I've had to do a whole bunch of engineering reorganisation within what I'm doing and basically I have parallel development paths moving forward now. my goal with the sequencers is to revise them after the power supplies and Time Buffer revision are done. this is completely independent of some other things going on now.

there were decisions i made 11 years ago which made sense then but which i want to revisit. unfortunately it won't happen tomorrow, but hopefully this year.

one thing which will never be a part of any future development is a giant array of toggle switches. i fucking hate these things so much and i can't deal with more than one on a module.

right now my focus is on VCOs and power supplies. i need to get to a complete system and then i can start focusing on improving these other elements.

also, it's not that i'm too busy to deliver, it's more a matter of current demand vs internal stock of manufacturing inputs. i currently have ZERO front panels for Voltage Mini-Stores in stock, and less than 20 mainboards for _any_ sequencer (all four share the same mainboard.)

the absolute minimum order i would need to build more Voltage Mini-Stores in the immediate near future is 20, and Noisebug is not able to carry that. it's not a knock, it's just the reality. this stuff may move enough to have kept me alive for the past 3 years but the numbers are pretty bad compared to eurorack.

hopefully the VCO and Radiophonic One will going to change my situation enough that i can fix all of these problems.

i've been at this since 2005 and i still don't have hot water in my studio. pray for me.
kcd06
Quote:
one thing which will never be a part of any future development is a giant array of toggle switches


D'oh! That is a feature I personally like, the tactile interaction with modular synthesizers... Though if their absence yields a supply of hot water, that is probably several steps forward for you.
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