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ericD13
I understand, reading comments about sequencers, that some of you are found of their STG suite.
STG's page

It really seems cool and versatile but I don't really understand the Time Buffer unit. It looks like it gives synchronisation to the modules but uses and old, pre-midi, unuseful bus : the din sync.

So if I want to use these acclaimed modules (VMS, TMS, SM) I'd buy an old Roland crap gear and connect it ?

It seems ridiculous to me.
kindredlost
Yes and No.

You could get some "old Roland crap gear" or some newer devices that produce dinsync (24 pulse-per-quarter-note) timing such as a Future Retro Mobius, Kenton, Clockworks or Moon 553 etc..

The VMS, TMS can be used in "shift mode" with simple gate/trigger pulse from any source in the modular or a midi interface such as the Q104, but... the quarter-note/eighth-note/sixteenth-note switch on the panels will not be available. That is governed through the Time Buffer function.

The VMS, TMS and SM are plenty of fun on their own and are versatile enough to be useful in any size system. If you desire to use the Time Buffer in conjuction to get full functionality, I'd suggest you request the TB be fitted with extra 1/4" jacks for trigger/run inputs when you purchase it. I did this and it allows me to use a Moon 553 Midi To Clock modules to generate 96th note (24ppq) pulses from any midi clock through my modular to control the STG Suite fully. I also use a Q962 Sequential Switch to perform the RUN switching for start/stop of the sequencer modules. A bit odd but it works fine with all the other step sequencers in my modular and with the midi DAW (Cubase6).

In some ways it seems a little odd to have a step sequencer mate up with what (at first) appears to be an "old" synchronization signal like dinsync, but there are plenty of midi step sequencers like the Circlon or Doepfer out there to choose from. STG decided to offer the modular 5U community a way to incorporate the wonderful and stable dinsync signal into the mix. I'm glad he did personally.
ericD13
I found this :
A midi to sync converter

Too bad it needs midi : I just want to make real analog music, no midi, no computer, no digital converters.
Just me
You can feed a run signal to it and clock it with a spare VCO if you don't have a SYNC 24 source.
kindredlost
ericD13 wrote:
I found this :
A midi to sync converter

Too bad it needs midi : I just want to make real analog music, no midi, no computer, no digital converters.


I think the one listed there is needing dinsync (or sync24) for an input. There is a gapeing hole in the synchronisation market in that there aren't very many midi IN to dinsync OUT converters. Most convert sync24 into midi, which sucks for this application.

Suit & Tie Guy tried to get a peculiar vendor's midi2dinsync board to work with a Time Buffer of mine once but had no success. The vendor was a real PITA and no help what so ever. So now I have an extra TB with modded boards which I've never found the time to get working. It would be nice though.

Philip Rees's MDS box was a market phenom but was discontinued. waah I'd love to have had one of those.

I also have never used the Kenton Pro-Solo mkII. Is it's conversion from midi to sync24 stable? It is affordable and nice. Someone here is bound to have one and can comment. seriously, i just don't get it

The Innerclock Systems boxes are the closest thing to what I'd need but I've never parted with the big bucks for them (yet). They are supposed to be more stable and tight, but I have no practical experience to issue a review.

I have a Future Retro Mobius and the afore-mentioned Moon M553 for my use so I'm covered pretty well for now.
I used to have the TB303 and TR606 combo back in the 1980's but there is no way I'd plonk down the silly money for them now. Never maintain cash savings again
smith
I am very interested in the STG time modules, however, the fact I need to invest in sync24 is discouraging. Having erwill mod the timebuffer to accept an oscillator seems like bulky kludge.
Bryan B
You don't have to invest in Din Sync 24 to use these modules. You can use the shift inputs to run them per clock pulse.

You will need Din Sync 24 to take advantage of the extra timing features (the 3-position switch on the TMS for example).

You don't have to have a time buffer to run these, unless you want them all to run off of Din Sync source.
wyrtti
The upcoming Archangel sequencer can act as dinsync master or slave. So that might thumbs up be an interesting piece of gear with the STG sequencer modules...
lorenzovektor
Kenton USB Solo will take your midi clock from your daw and output it to din sync, they also make a Midi version too if you don't need USB
wsy
smith wrote:
I am very interested in the STG time modules, however, the fact I need to invest in sync24 is discouraging. Having erwill mod the timebuffer to accept an oscillator seems like bulky kludge.


I am considering exactly that.

Mr. STG is perfectly willing to let you order "off the secret menu" - that is, moving
things around, customizations, etc.

Once I get my new carryon-sized MU case built out, I think it's just a
matter of time (and Finance Manager approval) to send him a check
for a five-slot TM system (Time Buffer, Shift Manger, two mini voltage
stores, one trigger store) with the DIN24 sockets moved way down
leaving me room to install a 555-based oscillator, pot, and switches
in the upper part of the Time Buffer module. That will let me run the
Time Buffers on their own LO (local oscillator), or clock them at 24
pulses-per-quarter-note externally. And then I get all of the juicy
shift manager goodness.

Or maybe he'll make a good price on installing a simple LO and I'll just write
checks instead of soldering. I will need customization anyway from him,
as the case I'm designing is rather shallow and the boards will need to be
mounted parallel with the front panel, not perpendicular.

Near as I can tell, the Time Buffer system is the smallest full-feature
sequencer currently available to the MU world (or will be, with a LO
built into the TB, which is easy.)

- Bill
smith
Bryan B wrote:
You don't have to invest in Din Sync 24 to use these modules. You can use the shift inputs to run them per clock pulse.

You will need Din Sync 24 to take advantage of the extra timing features (the 3-position switch on the TMS for example).

You don't have to have a time buffer to run these, unless you want them all to run off of Din Sync source.


Yes, I understand how the system works. It seems to me that the timing is a major aspect of the system, the timing really sets it apart from other sequencers. Without the timing aspect I think I'd be inclined to invest in something else.
smith
wsy wrote:
smith wrote:
I am very interested in the STG time modules, however, the fact I need to invest in sync24 is discouraging. Having erwill mod the timebuffer to accept an oscillator seems like bulky kludge.


I am considering exactly that.

Mr. STG is perfectly willing to let you order "off the secret menu" - that is, moving
things around, customizations, etc.

Once I get my new carryon-sized MU case built out, I think it's just a
matter of time (and Finance Manager approval) to send him a check
for a five-slot TM system (Time Buffer, Shift Manger, two mini voltage
stores, one trigger store) with the DIN24 sockets moved way down
leaving me room to install a 555-based oscillator, pot, and switches
in the upper part of the Time Buffer module. That will let me run the
Time Buffers on their own LO (local oscillator), or clock them at 24
pulses-per-quarter-note externally. And then I get all of the juicy
shift manager goodness.

Or maybe he'll make a good price on installing a simple LO and I'll just write
checks instead of soldering. I will need customization anyway from him,
as the case I'm designing is rather shallow and the boards will need to be
mounted parallel with the front panel, not perpendicular.

Near as I can tell, the Time Buffer system is the smallest full-feature
sequencer currently available to the MU world (or will be, with a LO
built into the TB, which is easy.)

- Bill



If he could make a module that outputs 24ppq and 1 pulse per 24 count, I would be interested.
Scot Solida
The 1/4" jacks STG put on the front of mine worked well for me. I never used any DIN sync hardware with the Time Modules and never actually used the DIN jacks on the Time Buffer. Sometimes I used a DIN sync plug-in, but more often than not, I just made sure that I was sending the proper signals to the thing through the 1/4" inputs. Sometimes these signals would be coming from a pre-DIN CR-78, other times from a MIDI sequencer, via a MIDI-to-CV interface, and very often simply from some other modules.

I found the suite to be quite useful and inspirational. I traded a mine off (to
Just me) for something else, simply because I wanted to try some other modules but didn't have the physical space to expand my system. I miss them though. They packed a lot of sequencery into a small space. Eventually, when I can afford to expand my system, I plan on buying 'em up again. Good stuff and their modularity makes it easy to expand the bits you need without splashing a lot of cash.
sunsinger
DinSync is formidable for timing. I can clock to film sync with it easily. Din keeps better time than midi with 0% latency.

The STG system does more than almost any other hardware sequencer out there.
Once it's outfitted with the all powerful Shift Manager module the suite becomes much more versatile.
When the time divider comes out, forget about it!

Don't let the addition of a Din Sync generator stop you from enjoying this.

Bryan B
I must say I initially had reservations on entering into the Time Suite. I read the descriptions online and couldn't figure out exactly how they all operated together. I found a TMS used and quickly realized I need another one (as much as I am using it these days).

I have used it with Trigger shifts and that is a lot of fun. When I ran it with DIN Sync I haven't been able to convince myself to unhook it and go back to clock shifts. It utilizes DIN to it's nearly full potential and that will be complete with the eventual offering of the Divider module (prototype shown above).

I visited Just Me while on vacation and saw a whole bunch of the Time Suite all running at different divisions and incorporating the shift manager. That was a beautiful thing! I have never seen a sequencer operate in this way before and was sold on the idea of adding more as soon as I have money. Sunsinger's pic is almost exactly what I want to have!

I can say that if you use a computer with multiple channels of audio/midi, don't get a midi to Din converter. Use Silent Way (and a DC coupled sound card) and create a DIN clock. Silent way can also create Jitter-Free midi if you HAVE to have midi. If you don't use a computer, there is a better chance of getting a solid clock. What is the midi device you are using to clock everything?
NV
I wish STG would revise his module descriptions to make it immediately clear that the individual modules do not require DIN sync in order to function. The first line of the Time Buffer page states it is "a critical element of the Time module series," and each of the Mini-Store pages state in the first line that it "draws synchronization from the Time Buffer" with only a brief sentence near the bottom adding that it can function off pulses as well. Granted reading through the entire description explains this, but people glancing through the many sequencing options out there will undoubtedly read that first line and assume that since they don't have DIN sync then these modules won't work.

I've heard from a significant number of people in the past who expressed the same confusion and belief that without DIN sync the Mini-Stores wouldn't function, and some of the posts in this thread support that as well. I only gripe because they are great sequencing elements and I hate to see a modular manufacturer lose a sale due to a confusing description.
Christopher Winkels
I tend to use my Time Buffer with a Kenton Pro Solo II for the master source. Works great with a synth that's otherwise just spitting out an arpeggiator clock via MIDI. It's timing stability seems good, but then I'm not anal retentive about timing precision. I do wish it came with a standard 1/4" input too that could be driven with nothing more than a regular clock pulse, but it's not the end of the world.
dude
sunsinger wrote:
DinSync is formidable for timing. I can clock to film sync with it easily. Din keeps better time than midi with 0% latency.

The STG system does more than almost any other hardware sequencer out there.
Once it's outfitted with the all powerful Shift Manager module the suite becomes much more versatile.
When the time divider comes out, forget about it!

Don't let the addition of a Din Sync generator stop you from enjoying this.



that pic makes me hot
b3groover
Forgive the stupid question, but how to you wire the 1/4" jacks on the Time Buffer?
VinceL
b3groover wrote:
Forgive the stupid question, but how to you wire the 1/4" jacks on the Time Buffer?


I have a somewhat related stupid question.

Could I not just make a 1/4" input cable for the TB? Get a DIN plug and 2 1/4" in-line jacks and wire the jacks to the correct pins on the DIN connector? hmmm.....

This way I could use either the DIN connector on the panel for a DINSync input or plug the special cable into the DIN connector and feed the TB with +5v and timing pulse signals.

As b3groover asked, which pins carry the voltage and timing signals? And, what kind of signal level will work for the timing signal?
Bryan B


This is a view from the back (wiring side, not pin side). The other pins (midi signal pins in the midi standard) do different things in DIN Sync based on the machine (reset, tap, continue).

You can wire up 1/4" plugs or jacks but make sure to also connect the ground to them or they won't carry a signal. If you do this, put a switch on the start/stop signal for a manual start/stop reset. If you put a NC push button on the clock signal it will pause when you push it.

It is important to note that while most Roland machines can handle the 10vPP of a modular into their DIN jack, the recommended voltages for the Time Suite are 0 to +5vDC.
Why Adapter
A very nice overview of DIN sync can be found on http://www.chd-el.cz/index.php?id=119. It's in Czech only (the rest of the site does have English available), but Google translate works fine.

All the diagrams are in English, though.

The STG system does not use the Continue or Reset pins, as only a couple of Roland units ever did.
Bryan B
Why Adapter wrote:
The STG system does not use the Continue or Reset pins, as only a couple of Roland units ever did.


Correct. Thanks for adding that!
smith
Bryan B wrote:

It is important to note that while most Roland machines can handle the 10vPP of a modular into their DIN jack, the recommended voltages for the Time Suite are 0 to +5vDC.


This could be fixed by putting a diode in series with a small current limiting resistor on the input.

I am thinking about DIY my own 1/4" time buffer. Does anyone know what connectors erwill uses for the time buffer??
suitandtieguy
i'm sorry it took me so long to respond here. quite frankly i've been too busy soldering and answering email when i have a chance to get to the pooter.

this isn't going to be coherent, i don't have time to write an essay so i'm just going to blurt a bunch of stuff out.

a) i'm sorry i don't make it more clear you don't need the time buffalo to use my sequencers. one of the three jacks on the front panel is labelled "SHIFT" so i figured that would be obvious enough, and it's explained in the copy. the sync aspect of this system _is_ what sets it apart, and i stand by that statement.

b) the Time Buffer was only supposed to be the first entry point for sync signals. we intended all along to have a main master clock module called the Time Rotor, which would be a sync hub for MIDI, DIN, and tape/FSK sync. obviously this hasn't happened yet because i'm undercapitalised, but it's still going to happen. the Time Buffer isn't going away though i promise.

c) the choice of DIN sync was twofold: sync 24 is just better. period. it's better than MIDI sync. also at the time of this system's conception (2007) it really did seem like the most common modular systems for dance musicians was Moog format, so it didn't seem like using DIN sync would be a problem.

there are many modern devices that have DIN sync. the Novation Drumstation and Bassstation, the MAM SQ16, the Mobius/Revolution/777, the Kenton interfaces, the x0xb0x, the Cirklon, the Jomox stuff, etc. it's not a dead sync format. those Innerclock guys for example are really pushing the concept in directions Ikutaro might never have imagined.

later this year there will be changes. i only have 3 panels left for the Time Buffer the way it is now and i'm not reordering them.
kindredlost
suitandtieguy wrote:
the Time Buffer was only supposed to be the first entry point for sync signals. we intended all along to have a main master clock module called the Time Rotor, which would be a sync hub for MIDI, DIN, and tape/FSK sync. obviously this hasn't happened yet because i'm undercapitalised, but it's still going to happen. the Time Buffer isn't going away though i promise.
....
later this year there will be changes. i only have 3 panels left for the Time Buffer the way it is now and i'm not reordering them.


This is great news. I hope to see the Time Rotor happen too. I love the small set of modules I have but am always wanting more "In The Modular" to control this suite.
dhergott1
Add Arturia drumbrute to the list of DIN friendly gear.
aj55
Isn't this also usefull:

http://www.doepfer.de/msy2.htm
dhergott1
What kind of connectors are used to connect the mini-store to the time buffer and shift manager? And where can one find them? Thanks!
Just me
They are 3 pin .100 spaced normal pin headers. You can make your own or contact Suit for cables.
Squattamolie
I'm a total fanboy for the Time Suite system - and it's important to understand that it is not just a set of modules, but an integrated *system* giving a lot more functionality than just the sum of the parts. I know that some folks wonder about the usefulness if they are not using DIN sync - video (hopefully) at the bottom.....

FWIW - I looked at (and passed on) the Time Suite years ago, because I didn't really understand just how much it surpasses (say) a set of individual sequencing modules. Once I tried it, I pretty much immediately ordered a 2nd full set, and have since added to it with the Time Divider and Switch modules - and will add the EGs once they ship. I initially felt that the modules were a bit pricey, and that's why I passed at first. It wasn't until I had a set that it became clear just how much power is in this system - you do indeed get what you pay for.

I've been really lazy about making video demos of the system, because to be honest - it's a bit overwhelming to try and demo it in a single, quick video. So I just did a quick video showing one Time Suite NOT under DIN sync control, but just clocking it from an LFO (which = the same as from other sequencers, clock signals, etc.).

Squattamolie
And here's a very basic vid of the Time Suite under DIN sync control...

Years ago, I went bonkers, spending weeks (literally, I'm not kidding) troubleshooting various clocking and sequencing modules, trying JUST to get everything to consistently start correctly, on the downbeat, and have all subdivisions line up correctly, etc. One of the main reasons I so completely endorse the STG Time Suite modules is that all that nonsense became irrelevant....it just works, all the time, every time....

Jturbide
great videos thumbs up
Squattamolie
TBH I get a bit discouraged (about trying to make videos showing how cool the TS is) because it just does _so_ much. So, OK, here's another quick example (lame, yes, I know, but then again so am I) showing just a tad of what the STG Switch module does (note that the module has no signals plugged into the inputs - just what is normalled from the sync buss)....

dhergott1
Just me wrote:
They are 3 pin .100 spaced normal pin headers. You can make your own or contact Suit for cables.


Yes, Suit hooked me up. applause
Squattamolie
And here's another (expanded) example of the STG Switch module, with a single Switch feeding 4 separate envelope generators. Though I say it in the vid, I want to also point out here that the STG Switch works equally well without having any other STG modules, it works "stand alone" just as well.

It's just more convenient and less patching if you do have one integrated into a Time Suite, and of course, the Time Suite gives utterly rock solid timing.

JohnLRice
Squattamolie, I've been enjoying the demos, thanks! w00t
steffengrondahl
Bump! Bumping this old tread.

I have been considering getting a time-suite for a long time. I'm closer to pulling the trigger but I have a lot of questions. Here we go:

  1. My DIN sync source is a ERM midiclock+. Should work. Has anyone used it with the Time Buffer? If so, does it work?
  2. Are there modules producing din sync? I've seen a thread with a yusynth master clock, but can neither find the thread again, nor anywhere to purchase the module waah
  3. I've seen modified Time Buffer modules with two inputs, on for clock (from a oscillator) and one for start/stop. But what is start/stop? I believe it is actually a on/off, 5V is on and 0V is off, so you need a 5V source to keep it running. Right? Or is it a toggling trigger?
  4. The Shift manager has a reset input for each connected mine-store module. But is it possible to reset the modules from the Time Buffer with some signal, for instance will the modules be reset when providing a start signal?
  5. The Time Divider has a start pulse output. I guess it sends a short pulse when the Time Buffer receives a start signal. Might be very useful for resetting, in particular other manufacturers sequencers (I've got some moon 569 sequencers). But is this what the start pulse does?
  6. How does the time-suite work with other modules? I'm particular interested in knowing if the triggers from the Trigger Mini-Store will work with the Corsynth drum modules, and the output from the Time Divider will work with Moon 564 sequential switch and 569 sequencer


Thats all zombie hihi

Oh ... and thank you Squattamolie for the nice videos thumbs up
Synth Con Meo
I am also now looking at the STG Time Suite. I currently have a Q960, Q961, Q962 and Q963. I also have the Q119, Q171 and Q172. And now that I am sort of figuring out more how to use them I am hankering for even more sequencing options. I like Squattamolie's videos and it's got me more interested in the Time Suite. I really like the rotating divisions so you're getting more than just 4 on the floor type of rhythms all time.

With that said I was also kind of researching the Moon Modular offerings in the 568 and 569 plus the support modules. But I still don't know a lot of how it all functions. Do the STG Time Suite and Moon modules work much like each other or are they completely different beasts?

I guess I am piggybacking a bit on the questions that steffengrondahl is asking.
Squattamolie
[quote="steffengrondahl"]
  1. My DIN sync source is a ERM midiclock+. Should work?
    I haven't used it but if it sends DIN sync it will work.

  2. Are there modules producing din sync? I've seen a thread with a yusynth master clock, but can neither find the thread again, nor anywhere to purchase the module waah
    No idea bt I'm unsure why you'd want one given that you have the ER-M and the Time Buffer has a DIN sync loop through (output)

  3. I've seen modified Time Buffer modules with two inputs, on for clock (from a oscillator) and one for start/stop. But what is start/stop? I believe it is actually a on/off, 5V is on and 0V is off, so you need a 5V source to keep it running. Right? Or is it a toggling trigger?
    Yeah, Suit will mod a Time Buffer for you (or I think it's possible to just make a cable that does the same thing maybe?). I think the start signal is held high for operation but I'm not sure.

  4. The Shift manager has a reset input for each connected mine-store module. But is it possible to reset the modules from the Time Buffer with some signal, for instance will the modules be reset when providing a start signal?
    With or without a Shift Manager, any time you start your clock master, all connected ministore modules will instantly reset to step one and do it correctly 100% of the time.

  5. The Time Divider has a start pulse output. I guess it sends a short pulse when the Time Buffer receives a start signal. Might be very useful for resetting, in particular other manufacturers sequencers (I've got some moon 569 sequencers). But is this what the start pulse does?
    Exactly.

  6. How does the time-suite work with other modules? I'm particular interested in knowing if the triggers from the Trigger Mini-Store will work with the Corsynth drum modules, and the output from the Time Divider will work with Moon 564 sequential switch and 569 sequencer
    I don't have either Corsynth drum module but my Trigger Ministores correctly trigger anything I've tried, including some old TAMA analog drum synths. I don't have a 569 but I have 563, 564 and 568 and both the trigger ministore and the Time Divider outputs drive any and all of them without any problems.


Synth Con Meo wrote:

I am also now looking at the STG Time Suite. I currently have a Q960, Q961, Q962 and Q963. I also have the Q119, Q171 and Q172. And now that I am sort of figuring out more how to use them I am hankering for even more sequencing options. I like Squattamolie's videos and it's got me more interested in the Time Suite. I really like the rotating divisions so you're getting more than just 4 on the floor type of rhythms all time.

With that said I was also kind of researching the Moon Modular offerings in the 568 and 569 plus the support modules. But I still don't know a lot of how it all functions. Do the STG Time Suite and Moon modules work much like each other or are they completely different beasts?

As I mentioned above, all the STG stuff works fine with Moon modules, but I also have two Q960 and they work just as well with one caveat: the design of the Q960 is such that if you send a trigger to the stage-1 input and an external clock starts coming into the "shift" input at the same time, the Q960 can become inconsistent (either one step ahead of where it is supposed to be or having more than one stage active at a time). I found the answer is to just use the Stage-9 inputs to have the Q960s always come to rest on stage-9, and that way when I start the master clock, both Q960s are always right on stage-1 correctly, with everything else. I hope all this helps.
Dr Gris
I've also been eyeing these modules.
Do all of them only use 5V?
What modules would be needed to form a decent set for basic sequencing?
Any idea how much Ampere that decent set of these will use?

I only have a single EG (without sidecar) that I know can be synced to this nanners

//M
steffengrondahl
Thank you, Squattamolie we're not worthy applause

You gave me the answers I was looking for. Just perfect.

Re: Dr Gris: You can find some of the information on modulargrid
For instance the Trigger Mini-Store draws 20 mA on 5V, the Voltage Mini-Store 18 mA on 5V.

Regarding modules for basic sequencing, I'll say a Time Buffer (if you have a DIN sync source), a Shift Manager and 3 Min-Stores (be Voltage and or Trigger).
I highly recommend this video demonstrating a simple setup:
Just me
I used the 5V on the power connector for my RUN switch added to my TB. I added a pilot light to show it was ON. Two input jacks. One for clock, the other for a remote RUN. It breaks the panel switch from the circuit when a plug is jacked in.
IMO, the minimum complement is 1 TB, 2 VMS, 1 TMS and 1 SM.
I have 4 VMS, 2 TMS & 2SM. The new envelope also ties into the Sync 24 Buss.
I would have his other modules, but already had modules for the functions. And then ran out of cabinet.
steffengrondahl
FYI: I tried to order a series of sequencer modules from Suit And Tie Guy! but it isn't possible at the moment. A bummer. I'll stick with my 568s and 554. For now. For good.
Synth Con Meo
steffengrondahl wrote:
FYI: I tried to order a series of sequencer modules from Suit And Tie Guy! but it isn't possible at the moment. A bummer. I'll stick with my 568s and 554. For now. For good.


So why can't you order them? Out of Stock? He generally has some lead time for each module that is shown on the STG site. You could order from Noisebug. That's where I've been getting my STG modules from (among others). I myself have been trying to figure out how to do some creative juggling of money to order up a STG Time suite setup. Of course one advantage I have is I am just a few hundred miles up north of Noisebug up in Oregon.
steffengrondahl
Synth Con Meo wrote:
steffengrondahl wrote:
FYI: I tried to order a series of sequencer modules from Suit And Tie Guy! but it isn't possible at the moment. A bummer. I'll stick with my 568s and 554. For now. For good.


So why can't you order them? Out of Stock? He generally has some lead time for each module that is shown on the STG site. You could order from Noisebug. That's where I've been getting my STG modules from (among others). I myself have been trying to figure out how to do some creative juggling of money to order up a STG Time suite setup. Of course one advantage I have is I am just a few hundred miles up north of Noisebug up in Oregon.


Suit and Tie Guy is to busy to deliver, and has some problems updating ths STG site. But I didn't consider Noisebug (have dealt with them several times before), so now I mailed them for availability. Thank you for reminding me of Noisebug thumbs up
Synth Con Meo
steffengrondahl wrote:

Suit and Tie Guy is to busy to deliver, and has some problems updating ths STG site. But I didn't consider Noisebug (have dealt with them several times before), so now I mailed them for availability. Thank you for reminding me of Noisebug thumbs up


Just curious, did you get a response from Blake at Noisebug yet?
steffengrondahl
^ Yes I got a response from Noisebug and they have them in stock. So I ordered and expect to recieve a nice package tuesday It's peanut butter jelly time!
suitandtieguy
hey guys, flattered by this old thread.

these modules were quite advanced ten years ago and I desperately want to revise them for the third decade of the 21st century.

basically I've had to do a whole bunch of engineering reorganisation within what I'm doing and basically I have parallel development paths moving forward now. my goal with the sequencers is to revise them after the power supplies and Time Buffer revision are done. this is completely independent of some other things going on now.

there were decisions i made 11 years ago which made sense then but which i want to revisit. unfortunately it won't happen tomorrow, but hopefully this year.

one thing which will never be a part of any future development is a giant array of toggle switches. i fucking hate these things so much and i can't deal with more than one on a module.

right now my focus is on VCOs and power supplies. i need to get to a complete system and then i can start focusing on improving these other elements.

also, it's not that i'm too busy to deliver, it's more a matter of current demand vs internal stock of manufacturing inputs. i currently have ZERO front panels for Voltage Mini-Stores in stock, and less than 20 mainboards for _any_ sequencer (all four share the same mainboard.)

the absolute minimum order i would need to build more Voltage Mini-Stores in the immediate near future is 20, and Noisebug is not able to carry that. it's not a knock, it's just the reality. this stuff may move enough to have kept me alive for the past 3 years but the numbers are pretty bad compared to eurorack.

hopefully the VCO and Radiophonic One will going to change my situation enough that i can fix all of these problems.

i've been at this since 2005 and i still don't have hot water in my studio. pray for me.
kcd06
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one thing which will never be a part of any future development is a giant array of toggle switches


D'oh! That is a feature I personally like, the tactile interaction with modular synthesizers... Though if their absence yields a supply of hot water, that is probably several steps forward for you.
Synth Con Meo
suitandtieguy wrote:
hey guys, flattered by this old thread.

these modules were quite advanced ten years ago and I desperately want to revise them for the third decade of the 21st century.

basically I've had to do a whole bunch of engineering reorganisation within what I'm doing and basically I have parallel development paths moving forward now. my goal with the sequencers is to revise them after the power supplies and Time Buffer revision are done. this is completely independent of some other things going on now.

there were decisions i made 11 years ago which made sense then but which i want to revisit. unfortunately it won't happen tomorrow, but hopefully this year.

one thing which will never be a part of any future development is a giant array of toggle switches. i fucking hate these things so much and i can't deal with more than one on a module.

right now my focus is on VCOs and power supplies. i need to get to a complete system and then i can start focusing on improving these other elements.

also, it's not that i'm too busy to deliver, it's more a matter of current demand vs internal stock of manufacturing inputs. i currently have ZERO front panels for Voltage Mini-Stores in stock, and less than 20 mainboards for _any_ sequencer (all four share the same mainboard.)

the absolute minimum order i would need to build more Voltage Mini-Stores in the immediate near future is 20, and Noisebug is not able to carry that. it's not a knock, it's just the reality. this stuff may move enough to have kept me alive for the past 3 years but the numbers are pretty bad compared to eurorack.

hopefully the VCO and Radiophonic One will going to change my situation enough that i can fix all of these problems.

i've been at this since 2005 and i still don't have hot water in my studio. pray for me.


Thank you for the response to this thread. Me being fairly noobish to Synthesizers and especially modular/5U I've been learning a lot (or at least trying too) and expanding my system. It's only been in the last couple months that I've been adding more modules to my system. I've added your EG and Sidecar, Wavefolder and Active multiples among other makers modules.

I can understand you wanting to revamp the modules but so far from what I've seen/read/heard that there really haven't been any real complaints about the current design and how well they work. Again that doesn't mean there aren't improvements/changes to be had. I will more than likely order a whole suite setup from Noisebug in the not so distant future.

Thank you again.
JohnLRice
Synth Con Meo wrote:
I can understand you wanting to revamp the modules but so far from what I've seen/read/heard that there really haven't been any real complaints about the current design and how well they work. Again that doesn't mean there aren't improvements/changes to be had.
One of the main changes he's been making is to redesign them to fit into shallower cases. In the early days of the 5U renaissance most 5U designers weren't worried about module depth and PCBs (Printed Circuit Boards) were mounted perpendicular to the panel so many modules ended up needing 4 to 7 inches of case depth or more! eek! As people started to take modules to live gigs more and more people wanted shallower modules to fit into shallower cases so that they were lighter/more portable.
Synth Con Meo
[quote="JohnLRice]One of the main changes he's been making is to redesign them to fit into shallower cases. In the early days of the 5U renaissance most 5U designers weren't worried about module depth and PCBs (Printed Circuit Boards) were mounted perpendicular to the panel so many modules ended up needing 4 to 7 inches of case depth or more! eek! As people started to take modules to live gigs more and more people wanted shallower modules to fit into shallower cases so that they were lighter/more portable.[/quote]

That's a good point I didn't really think of. That does make sense. That and like he mentioned he isn't too thrilled with using toggle switches.
kindredlost
Too be honest, I'm kind of on the fence about the toggle switch thing too.

On the Trigger Mini Store it is a quick way to do things but not easy to see the state of the switch at a glance (for me anyway). An illuminated push button for each step would be better but then again I'm no designer.

I like the toggle setup on the old Moon 563 Trigger Sequencer because it has related LED's. The downside is the enormous real estate, but heck - this IS 5U format after all. lol

The time toggle on the VMS is okay because a push button with multiple presses is a little less useful for the function it does in that case. Like on the Envelope Generators & Digital Attenuators which usually would not be used "on the fly" so much. Those are choices between modes more than time controllers.

Something in common about successful vendors is that they design modules for their own use. It's to my advantage because I like Eric's style of music and what he brings to the market.
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