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I got some questions for Tame Machine owners. I've read the manual and looked at all the videos but I'm still unsure of some things.
I'm specifically interested in recording loops while in keyboard mode. If I play the mini keyboard, will it record all the note and gate lengths exactly, even off beat?
How does the loop launch when the rec switch is enabled? Is the start quantized to a beat or measure or does it just go back 1/2/4 bars exactly even if you engage the loop off beat?
If the tame machine is fed a clock, can I start and stop the loop with the reset in?
I guess I'm wondering in practical terms how easy is it to play a melody with the buttons and have the loop start and stop in sync with my clock. Thanks!
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| Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 4:28 pm Post subject: Re: Tame Machine - loop recording in keyboard mode |
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| megamaeng wrote: |
I'm specifically interested in recording loops while in keyboard mode. If I play the mini keyboard, will it record all the note and gate lengths exactly, even off beat? It will beat quantize to your trigger input like a sample and hold
How does the loop launch when the rec switch is enabled? Is the start quantized to a beat or measure or does it just go back 1/2/4 bars exactly even if you engage the loop off beat? It will start as soon as you engage rec but it will pick up on the note that it's clock is quantized to
If the tame machine is fed a clock, can I start and stop the loop with the reset in? I don't think this works but in trigger mode it will only trigger the notes that you recorded that happen to fall on the trigger input clock.If no trigger is present while it's in trigger mode you just get a repeating one note but as soon as it receives a trigger it will start releasing notes in sync with the trigger your sending
I guess I'm wondering in practical terms how easy is it to play a melody with the buttons and have the loop start and stop in sync with my clock. Thanks!I've found it very easy |
I just got this a couple weeks ago and was a little worried because it seemed people were having a hard time understanding it at first but i have found it to be pretty intuitive.Understanding that it can function as a few different things (quantizer/variable width gate/keyboard/cv knob recorder/) that you can also create relationships between if you choose was the aha moment for me.You have to create a clock either int. or ext. for the looping functions to work or else the keyboard functions as just that.Everything in the looping functions quantizes to the clock.
This is the first Flame product i've bought but i gather he has a different way of thinking about how to present options so it's kind of hard to explain but as i said i've found it easy to work with with some small quirks that i've accepted.
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cool thanks tony!
Can you elaborate a bit more on the looping functions quantizing to the clock? Does that mean it's easy to get seamless loops? Is it like Ableton in that you have to flip the rec switch just before the next measure to quantize to the beat? What happens when you start and stop the clock input when its in loop playback mode?
Can you have the loop going and flip the switch back and forth to make some changes?
I really appreciate help!
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| megamaeng wrote: | cool thanks tony!
Can you elaborate a bit more on the looping functions quantizing to the clock? Does that mean it's easy to get seamless loops? Is it like Ableton in that you have to flip the rec switch just before the next measure to quantize to the beat? What happens when you start and stop the clock input when its in loop playback mode?
Can you have the loop going and flip the switch back and forth to make some changes?
I really appreciate help! |
I don't have time to fiddle with it right now, but I suppose if you put it in record and then hit reset at the same time you trigger the first note, you should get the right loop. The real fun though, is the melodies and rhythm you DONT expect. For instance, the middle section has a trigger generator that you can record the speed of. Variations of different trigger speeds. Once you have this pattern (_|_|_|_|__|__|___|____|_|__| or something  ) then this trigger pattern can be linked to the quantizer, so it will now only lock onto notes at that pattern.
If you haven't seen them already, search youtube for the "Tame The Flame Tame" videos. They do an excellent job explaining the details.
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I don't have time to fiddle with it right now, but I suppose if you put it in record and then hit reset at the same time you trigger the first note, you should get the right loop. The real fun though, is the melodies and rhythm you DONT expect. For instance, the middle section has a trigger generator that you can record the speed of. Variations of different trigger speeds. Once you have this pattern (_|_|_|_|__|__|___|____|_|__| or something ) then this trigger pattern can be linked to the quantizer, so it will now only lock onto notes at that pattern.
If you haven't seen them already, search youtube for the "Tame The Flame Tame" videos. They do an excellent job explaining the details. |
So once I've recorded my melody I can then use the middle section to retime and alter that stuff, synced to the clock? Holy shit 
Yeah I saw the videos but that must have gone over my head. There didn't seem to be a section where he recorded a loop in keyboard mode. I gotta go back and watch again.
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Yeah sorry I can't be of more help right now. If I have time later on tonight I'll mess with it and figure it out.
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| megamaeng wrote: | cool thanks tony!
Can you elaborate a bit more on the looping functions quantizing to the clock? Does that mean it's easy to get seamless loops? Is it like Ableton in that you have to flip the rec switch just before the next measure to quantize to the beat? Its easy to get seemless loops because everything gets forced to whatever the closest beat division the beat section is set to.I don't really know about ableton but say if you have the loop length set to 2 bars and you flip the switch down to rec say 2 beats early of the 2 bars it wont restart your melody until after the 2 bar recording time is up but it does do some weird stuff sometimes that i don't get like seems to default to a note you didn't play to fill the space or maybe it's a note that's still hanging out in the buffer from before.
If you have the clock running at 16th notes and your playing a melody the sequencer wont recognize the note you push until it reaches the next 16th note but with the beat knob you can divide or multiply the incoming trigger and you can record and loop the knobs movements, so if you play a melody hitting a new note on every 16th and then make some movements with the beat knob so your going back and forth between 16th and 8ths it will play all your notes on 16th and then it will skip every other note when it's on 8ths
What happens when you start and stop the clock input when its in loop playback mode? It starts and stops the sequence but like a pause not a reset.
Can you have the loop going and flip the switch back and forth to make some changes? if you mean like a punch in yes but i haven't had much luck getting predictable results doing this.Also, you can record your sequence at 1 bar and then put the length into 2 or 4 bar and add onto the sequence and toggle in between 1/2/4 bar while in playback and the playback length will adjust but i haven't been able to get predictable results with this but fun for some happy accidents.
I really appreciate help! |
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yes, it'll work the way you want. You play the notes and they get recorded until you flick the rec switch. I miss it mainly for that actually.
Sometimes it quantizes to the wrong beat (it's forced to 1/16 quantize) but overall it works pretty good.
I'll get another one eventually.
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Once you've recorder a loop you can use the record switch to punch in/out for inserting notes/rests.
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