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Demi Jon
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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2012 2:33 pm    Post subject: Slowin' down the randoms Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

I use the Random Voltage output from my Doepfer Noise/Random module for practically every patch (and thinking about getting the Doepfer Source of Uncertainty clones), but I'm wondering about getting these voltages a bit slooooooowwwwer.

Would a clock divider do this? Any suggestions?
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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2012 2:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

You should be able to alter the speed by tweaking the knobs. Is it the red and blue ones? I can't remember, haven't had a A118 for about a year. Really good random source though, if it was clockable and had CV, it would be fantastic.
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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2012 2:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Sample and hold (a148 or Sport Modulator) with a slow trigger.

My a118 always goes into the Sport Modulator which is usually triggered by a clock divider.

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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2012 3:00 pm    Post subject: Re: Slowin' down the randoms Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Demi Jon wrote:
I use the Random Voltage output from my Doepfer Noise/Random module for practically every patch (and thinking about getting the Doepfer Source of Uncertainty clones), but I'm wondering about getting these voltages a bit slooooooowwwwer.

Would a clock divider do this? Any suggestions?


I don't think a clock divider will do what you want. Clock divider will essentially provide divisions of a clock that you send it.

I don't have much time to think about it right now(sorry), but what about getting a S&H to sample the random out, using a very slow trigger/gate on the S&H and then slewing the S&H output so it's not stepped, but sloped??? Trying to think if I could do this with my Sport Modulator. Not sure, will have to get back to you.

Edit: Heh heh, Jaspo was thinking the same thing. He just types faster! thumbs up
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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2012 3:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Put a big resistor in series with the Rate pot or hunt down the timing capacitor(s) and replace with one of a greater value. Either of these mods could be made switchable so you don't lose the original settings. For voltage control, add a vactrol. I was considering modding my A-118, but didn't have the time before selling it.

You could make an similar patch with a noise source, sample & hold and a slew on the output. IIRC the "colored" outputs on the A-118 are just passive RC filters.

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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2012 3:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

I fully expect him to reply, "Rate pot?...OMG!"

or at least it would make me smile smile

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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2012 4:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

If you do decide to get the a-149-1 then this is triggered by an external LFO clock so you can set the pace as slow as you like by reducing the freq on the LFO.
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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2012 6:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Thanks for the replies so far -- in terms of the s&h (a module I don't use nearly often enough), what I am looking for is not randomness in pitch (well, OK, I am looking for that too) but randomness in time. And slowed down time (yessss i know about the rate knob! razz ). So y'know it goes:

Boop
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boop.....................boop......................................... .......boop
...
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boop......boop...................boop
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.........................boop.

How can I do that with the s&h (I'm at work so can't try it out right now)?
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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2012 6:47 pm    Post subject: Re: Slowin' down the randoms Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

mhtones wrote:

I don't think a clock divider will do what you want. Clock divider will essentially provide divisions of a clock that you send it.


Most clock dividers have a comparator at the input allowing them to generate subharmonics from audio, or subdivisions from CV.

Then you could use the output of the divider to control your S&H so that the Rate knob on the A-118 is still the master.

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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2012 6:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Trigger the S&H with a VCLFO, process the output of the S&H with something that can invert / offset / slew then feed that back into VCLFO rate. Even better if you have VC Slew in there.

if you just invert the S&H output voltage, imagine the S&H grabs a high voltage, say +6V, then -6V goes into the VCLFO, there will be a long gap until the next sample because its slowed right down.

If you have a dual S&H you can even dedicate one S&H cell to the feedback (trigger that one from a divider clocked by the VCLFO) & get even funkier.

If you don't want to use a VCLFO - say you want all this to happen in time(ish) with a fixed clock - then replace the VCLFO with something like the Doepfer 163 VC Divider, that way your S&H can go faster / slower without being totally asynchronous.
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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2012 7:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Demi Jon wrote:
...what I am looking for is not randomness in pitch ...but randomness in time.


You'll need some sort of voltage controlled LFO for this. I use this patch all the time using a sport modulator and A-149-1. Set the SM for cycle mode and patch END out to the clock of the A-149-1. Take one of the random outs and patch that back into the CV rate of the SM. Then you can take a mult of the END and use that to trigger other things: sequencer, EG, etc.

I'm sure this would work with other VC LFOs, too. Just use the square out of the LFO and mult it to the clock of whatever random source you're using. Then run the random voltage back into the LFO's CV rate.

Hope this helps.

Edit: DGTom beat me to it. Guess I need to learn to type faster.
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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2012 9:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

DGTom and wwall -- thanks! I'll try this when I get home.
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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2012 11:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Demi Jon wrote:
... but randomness in time ...

Doepfer A-117, upper part. Use an external clock for slowing it down a bit, and at every clock tick you might get a gate or not, with varying length. If the varying length is not what you want add an A-162 Trigger Delay.
This will give you gates on your selected tempo, but you'll never know if one is coming or not cool
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PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2012 4:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Yay, just had heaps of fun trying out all these ideas.

Thanks all! Guinness ftw!
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PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2012 6:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Sample hold, slew/smooth the output, feed into a comparator.
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