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MrBiggs I see dead people
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Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 8:53 am Post subject: interference and buzz |
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One of the most frustrating things about my guitar stuff is this annoying buzz that I get, quite loud, through my amp. It's not ground loop, it's not 60-cycle single coil hum. In fact, sometimes switching to one pickup from two on my Tele or Jazzmaster actually helps. When I touch a jack, either the one plugged into my guitar, the one plugged into the amp, or any of the metal ones in between (like plugged into pedals), I get what is almost perfect dead silence. When I let go, buzzzzzz. I get this when it's just my guitar to my amp, and i get it when I have pedals in between.
Yesterday I noticed that if I have the jack plugged into the acoustic guitar, it's, again, dead silent. Perfecto even.
I've googled around but not found anything likely. Anyone experienced such a thing as this?
EDIT: My cables are not the cheapy ones but neither are they super expensive. Are they shielded? I don't know. Are regular guitar cables shielded? _________________ Dance Robot Dance.
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Just me Has enough VCA's
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Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 10:24 am Post subject: |
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Sounds like at least one bad cable. I have one that exhibits the same symptoms. Some day I'll fix it. _________________ Society for the Performance of Twentieth Century Program Notes. |
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MrBiggs I see dead people
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Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 10:36 am Post subject: |
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Nah. Not the cable. All four of my cables have exactly the same results.
One little part of the room is far worse than others. And I think it's exactly above a large light fixture on the ceiling of the dining room below it. Could that cause any of this?
I'm wondering if I need to pull the guitars apart and line the cavities with copper. The one guitar I have with a shielded interior still hums but not as bad, and grabbing the metal jack doesn't stop the buzz as it does with the two un-coppered guitars. Touching the strings of that guitar helps, however.
(It's a whole nother issue, but my amp is pretty noisy on its own. It's got this low level hollow rrrrrrrr sound that is audible even with nothing plugged in. I just think of it as an excuse to get a Swart next year.) _________________ Dance Robot Dance.
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Just me Has enough VCA's
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Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 11:14 am Post subject: |
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If the fixture below is fluoresent, the ballast could be causing it. If you line the cavities, make sure to solder the foil to the grounds. _________________ Society for the Performance of Twentieth Century Program Notes. |
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sduck WTF?
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Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 3:57 pm Post subject: |
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Sounds like your lighting and/or a CRT monitor. _________________ What they do is this: They leak current in proportion to the frequency of the signal. The ramifications of this can only be truly appreciated when solving nodal current balances in the Laplace domain, unfortunately.
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dkcg I pity the fool w/o enough VCAs
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Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 10:45 pm Post subject: |
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Single coils and a fluorescent lamp nearby?
That's one thing I really like about the pickups in my Strat, the Gold Lace Sensors. Quiet as a humbucker. The only time I hear hum is near a fluorescent lamp, near a CRT screen, my cel phone rings, or I have a ridiculous amount of pedals in the signal chain (I heard radio a la spinal tap doing this).
Single coils are generally noisy in comparison to humbuckers and piezos. You might just get in the habit of turning the volume knob down (or a volume pedal) when not touching strings or playing. Guitars need VCAs too.
The acoustic is probably a piezo, which is why it didn't hum.
If you're using any pedals, that compounds the noise problem. Try w/o any pedals straight in and that will be the quietest you can get. |
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MrBiggs I see dead people
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Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 9:48 am Post subject: |
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This isn't a single coil issue. But the acoustic is a piezo so that is something I learned. The noise is a buzz. Not a hum, and it stops when I touch the metal jack of the cable.
The light fixture in question is not florescent, but it certainly is the source of this issue. I had Fiancée turn it on and off last night while I had the guitar plugged into the amp directly -- no pedals -- and buzz on, buzz off, buzz on, buzz off. So that's fucked up. It's not as bad with my G&L ASAT or the other Jazzmaster, so something is amiss with the grounding inside the blue sparkly Jazzmaster. I think it's time to order some copper shielding, solve the ground problem, and go ahead and do some of the upgrades I wanted to do while I've pulled it apart.
Regarding the low hollow hum/hiss that the amp makes with nothing plugged in, anyone know if that could be the sound of a crappy, or crapped-out, tube? _________________ Dance Robot Dance.
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Just me Has enough VCA's
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Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 10:56 am Post subject: |
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Bad capacitor, bad bias, microphonic tube, dying or unbalanced tubes, bad design, or, or... would need to have it on a bench to determine the cause. _________________ Society for the Performance of Twentieth Century Program Notes. |
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MrBiggs I see dead people
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Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 11:03 am Post subject: |
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| Just me wrote: | | Bad capacitor, bad bias, microphonic tube, dying or unbalanced tubes, bad design, or, or... would need to have it on a bench to determine the cause. |
Yeah okay thanks. There are some things that when described seem to be easy to diagnose and there are other things that include lots of variables. This is a Vox Night Train, bought used, and it just makes this particular sound and I just figured it's how it sounds. But then a friend heard it last week and got this furrowed brow and said "what the fuck is that noise? It shouldn't make that noise." And I had no idea. I should probably take it in to my guitar guy. Of course, when one googles something like "Vox Night Train noise hum" then you get a million different forums with people who are quite certain that they know exactly what it is. "Why, it's your pre-amp tube. Night Trains shipped with shitty Chinese tubes in that position and they're all like that." Or "bad power supply. It's obvious."
I need to quit reading the internet. _________________ Dance Robot Dance.
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