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PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 8:53 am    Post subject: interference and buzz Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

One of the most frustrating things about my guitar stuff is this annoying buzz that I get, quite loud, through my amp. It's not ground loop, it's not 60-cycle single coil hum. In fact, sometimes switching to one pickup from two on my Tele or Jazzmaster actually helps. When I touch a jack, either the one plugged into my guitar, the one plugged into the amp, or any of the metal ones in between (like plugged into pedals), I get what is almost perfect dead silence. When I let go, buzzzzzz. I get this when it's just my guitar to my amp, and i get it when I have pedals in between.

Yesterday I noticed that if I have the jack plugged into the acoustic guitar, it's, again, dead silent. Perfecto even.

I've googled around but not found anything likely. Anyone experienced such a thing as this?

EDIT: My cables are not the cheapy ones but neither are they super expensive. Are they shielded? I don't know. Are regular guitar cables shielded?

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 10:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Sounds like at least one bad cable. I have one that exhibits the same symptoms. Some day I'll fix it.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 10:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Nah. Not the cable. All four of my cables have exactly the same results.

One little part of the room is far worse than others. And I think it's exactly above a large light fixture on the ceiling of the dining room below it. Could that cause any of this?

I'm wondering if I need to pull the guitars apart and line the cavities with copper. The one guitar I have with a shielded interior still hums but not as bad, and grabbing the metal jack doesn't stop the buzz as it does with the two un-coppered guitars. Touching the strings of that guitar helps, however.

(It's a whole nother issue, but my amp is pretty noisy on its own. It's got this low level hollow rrrrrrrr sound that is audible even with nothing plugged in. I just think of it as an excuse to get a Swart next year.)

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 11:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

If the fixture below is fluoresent, the ballast could be causing it. If you line the cavities, make sure to solder the foil to the grounds.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 3:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Sounds like your lighting and/or a CRT monitor.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 10:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Single coils and a fluorescent lamp nearby?

That's one thing I really like about the pickups in my Strat, the Gold Lace Sensors. Quiet as a humbucker. The only time I hear hum is near a fluorescent lamp, near a CRT screen, my cel phone rings, or I have a ridiculous amount of pedals in the signal chain (I heard radio a la spinal tap doing this).

Single coils are generally noisy in comparison to humbuckers and piezos. You might just get in the habit of turning the volume knob down (or a volume pedal) when not touching strings or playing. Guitars need VCAs too. hihi

The acoustic is probably a piezo, which is why it didn't hum.

If you're using any pedals, that compounds the noise problem. Try w/o any pedals straight in and that will be the quietest you can get.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 9:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

This isn't a single coil issue. But the acoustic is a piezo so that is something I learned. The noise is a buzz. Not a hum, and it stops when I touch the metal jack of the cable.

The light fixture in question is not florescent, but it certainly is the source of this issue. I had Fiancée turn it on and off last night while I had the guitar plugged into the amp directly -- no pedals -- and buzz on, buzz off, buzz on, buzz off. So that's fucked up. It's not as bad with my G&L ASAT or the other Jazzmaster, so something is amiss with the grounding inside the blue sparkly Jazzmaster. I think it's time to order some copper shielding, solve the ground problem, and go ahead and do some of the upgrades I wanted to do while I've pulled it apart.

Regarding the low hollow hum/hiss that the amp makes with nothing plugged in, anyone know if that could be the sound of a crappy, or crapped-out, tube?

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 10:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Bad capacitor, bad bias, microphonic tube, dying or unbalanced tubes, bad design, or, or... would need to have it on a bench to determine the cause.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 11:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

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Bad capacitor, bad bias, microphonic tube, dying or unbalanced tubes, bad design, or, or... would need to have it on a bench to determine the cause.


Yeah okay thanks. There are some things that when described seem to be easy to diagnose and there are other things that include lots of variables. This is a Vox Night Train, bought used, and it just makes this particular sound and I just figured it's how it sounds. But then a friend heard it last week and got this furrowed brow and said "what the fuck is that noise? It shouldn't make that noise." And I had no idea. I should probably take it in to my guitar guy. Of course, when one googles something like "Vox Night Train noise hum" then you get a million different forums with people who are quite certain that they know exactly what it is. "Why, it's your pre-amp tube. Night Trains shipped with shitty Chinese tubes in that position and they're all like that." Or "bad power supply. It's obvious."

I need to quit reading the internet.

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