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bertbocklandt
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I have the Doepfer A-108 for some time now.
It's said to be a "Moog"-filter...???..?? 
Don't find it really "Moog" 
I've had a minimoog model D & ARP2600 (with moog filter) in the past and those were something else!!
I really like the A-108 6db & bandpass but the rest is kinda cheap...
Also the gain (to overdrive the filter input) is nothing compared to the real deal.
Are there any other good "Moog"VCF/VCA for euro????
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wowa cwejman
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| Dieter Doepfers Moog filter is a copy so it should sound like the real thing. I'm not sure if the VCA is the same circuit as the original. |
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bertbocklandt
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| The Analogue Systems RS100 seems no option as I heard some crappy/thin sounding demos of it on youtube... |
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bertbocklandt
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| wowa cwejman wrote: | | Dieter Doepfers Moog filter is a copy so it should sound like the real thing. I'm not sure if the VCA is the same circuit as the original. |
I've had a minimoog model D & that's something else.
It's not because Doepfer & AS say the make a copy that it sounds like the real thing...
The sound quality of a lot of euro stuff just hasn't the same "mojo" that a lot of real vintage analog classic synths do have.
Thank God there is Livewire!!
That has a lot of mojo!!  |
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Pistachio
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| Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 6:06 am Post subject: |
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| bertbocklandt wrote: | | wowa cwejman wrote: | | Dieter Doepfers Moog filter is a copy so it should sound like the real thing. I'm not sure if the VCA is the same circuit as the original. |
I've had a minimoog model D & that's something else.
It's not because Doepfer & AS say the make a copy that it sounds like the real thing...
The sound quality of a lot of euro stuff just hasn't the same "mojo" that a lot of real vintage analog classic synths do have.
Thank God there is Livewire!!
That has a lot of mojo!! |
You should try double blind testing and see if the differences you are experiencing are genuine or not.
Also, take into consideration that to do a fair test, you should be running the same Moog oscillator into each filter. Not much sense to compare them without properly controlling the other components of the sound. |
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budz
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| There's a lot of factors in the mini's architecture - oscs and gain structure for example. Check out the STG .mix - it's modelled on the moog modular mixer but it's possible that it shares some similarities with the mini's osc mixer. I definitely had someone say that my modular sounded more 'vintage' after I got it, without me telling him anything about the module. So maybe there's something in it. |
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Drumdrumdrumdrum
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I was going to mention the STG.mix. Thats on my list.
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Floyd Pepper
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| bertbocklandt wrote: | | The Analogue Systems RS100 seems no option as I heard some crappy/thin sounding demos of it on youtube... |
These must be bad demos. My RS100 sounds anything but crappy/thin.
I had a Doepfer A-120 "Moog ladder" which did sound crappy/thin. I sold it on eBay. 3 weeks later the buyer put it back on eBay... |
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wowa cwejman
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| If you need the genuine Moog sound + Moog aura around it then buy Moog. I performed some testing on Mini model D and there is something special and especially when closing the filter cutoff. I use all possible measurements for testing and still couldn't find the physical/electrical reason for that. Maybe it's good, after all. Bob Moog rules for ever..... |
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wintchil
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| Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 8:17 am Post subject: |
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| How about the Macbeth Backend filter? |
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bertbocklandt
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[quote="wowa cwejman"]If you need the genuine Moog sound + Moog aura around it then buy Moog. quote]
Right on!! 
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bertbocklandt
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It's just that my Livewire modular goes so far beyond anything Moog regarding complex waveforms & modulations that it would be cool to have a Moog filter to go along with it...
I now run my Livewire modular through a Roland system 100 which is really cool and gives it more vintage flavour & mojo...
Maybe I'll again have to buy a Micromoog to do the same...
Anyway, driving a modern modular through a genuine vintage VCF&VCA certainly makes a differece!!!
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bertbocklandt
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| There's just something about the resonance with those Doepfer & AS Moog filters that just doesn't seem to sound genuine to me... |
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bertbocklandt
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| richard wrote: | | that is just foolishness. Would you pick your girlfriend on the strength of someone's youtube video too?: |
Really???
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bertbocklandt
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| wintchil wrote: | | How about the Macbeth Backend filter? |
For that price I rather buy a real genuine Moog!!
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Floyd Pepper
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Not Euro but how about a Moogerfooger MF-101 Low Pass Filter?
I've never used one so can't comment on the Moogyness. |
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bertbocklandt
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| Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 9:34 am Post subject: |
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| Floyd Pepper wrote: | | Not Euro but how about a Moogerfooger MF-101 Low Pass Filter? |
I was just thinking the same!!
I would be also easy on my setup as I already have the Moog ring modulator in it as well.
... and: it's genuine MOOG!!
and if not ok, easy to sell second hand...
| Floyd Pepper wrote: | | I've never used one so can't comment on the Moogyness. |
I've had one years ago, but back then I also had a minimoog model D so never used the mf-101 that much...
It's not that vintage sounding but 100% genuine Moog!!!
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wavehead
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| Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 9:45 am Post subject: |
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go over to the 5U forum.
seriously just get an oakley super-ladder and some oakley oscillators, most of their stuff (oscillators for example) is modeled after the minimoog. personally I like it more... more "genuine" than "genuine moog." |
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anselmi
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| Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 10:02 am Post subject: |
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| budz wrote: | | There's a lot of factors in the mini's architecture - oscs and gain structure for example. Check out the STG .mix - it's modelled on the moog modular mixer but it's possible that it shares some similarities with the mini's osc mixer. I definitely had someone say that my modular sounded more 'vintage' after I got it, without me telling him anything about the module. So maybe there's something in it. |
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