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PostPosted: Tue Aug 14, 2012 3:52 am    Post subject: Serge filters (VCFS and VCF2) Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

I am currently not in front of my Serge, so I canŽt test anthing, hence the thread;

What are your impressions of the VCFS and VCF2?
I have just briefly patched them up to try their functionality (late last night, very tired) and was not that impressed... OK, they do sound great, but they seemed a bit "vanilla" compared to the VCFQ (maybe I am just used to the extreme character of that one?)

So any tips on fun stuff to do with them? When do they come to their full right? Your impressions and thoughts? Share the wizardry with the noob please...

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 14, 2012 6:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Don't have a VCFS, just a VCFQ and a VCF2. I also prefer the VCFQ, but found that the VCF2 Low out is excellent as a filter for Serge waveshaper sounds. By patching one of the outputs back into its input (can't exactly remember which one it was, just try them out), you can get resonance on the VCF2.

Enjoy!
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 14, 2012 6:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Ask Serge master Cebec for some tips.
Or Rastko those 2 guys are the best!

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 14, 2012 7:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

I thought I heard my name... hihi

Both of these really perk up when you patch in some resonance. For example, with the Variable Bandwidth Filter (VCF2), patch your source and the VAR WIDTH output to a Mixer and, optionally, pass that Mixer output through something, like the Dual Phaser (2PHA), before patching it back to the IN of the VCF2. Take your audio output from the VAR WIDTH or mix the outputs together with another mixer or XFAD. Try sweeping the VC F and VC BW in opposite directions with a CV.

The Variable Slope VCF (VCFS) sounds great with resonance patched this way and the big advantage that this one has is the additional input. Patch your source to IN 1 and patch LO, for example, to your mixer or main output. Then patch one of the other VCFS outputs, or LO, to some audio processor, like the 2PHA, and then back to IN 2. Turn the VCFS MIX knob slowly from full counterclockwise, clockwise, until you get resonance. Adjust your feedback processor until you find your sweet spot.

Otherwise, experiment with mixing the various outputs together, inverting one of them, processing another, etc. Yeah, the VCFQ is a beast 'out of the box' but I find the others to be full of surprises, as well, and they sound great with resonance patched as above.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 14, 2012 7:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Thanks for the patchideas... will experiment more tonight... keep Žem coming.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 14, 2012 2:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

cebec wrote:
I thought I heard my name... hihi

Both of these really perk up when you patch in some resonance. For example, with the Variable Bandwidth Filter (VCF2), patch your source and the VAR WIDTH output to a Mixer and, optionally, pass that Mixer output through something, like the Dual Phaser (2PHA), before patching it back to the IN of the VCF2. Take your audio output from the VAR WIDTH or mix the outputs together with another mixer or XFAD. Try sweeping the VC F and VC BW in opposite directions with a CV.

The Variable Slope VCF (VCFS) sounds great with resonance patched this way and the big advantage that this one has is the additional input. Patch your source to IN 1 and patch LO, for example, to your mixer or main output. Then patch one of the other VCFS outputs, or LO, to some audio processor, like the 2PHA, and then back to IN 2. Turn the VCFS MIX knob slowly from full counterclockwise, clockwise, until you get resonance. Adjust your feedback processor until you find your sweet spot.

Otherwise, experiment with mixing the various outputs together, inverting one of them, processing another, etc. Yeah, the VCFQ is a beast 'out of the box' but I find the others to be full of surprises, as well, and they sound great with resonance patched as above.


Absolutely great !

and I thank you Dennis but no best I am .
There are many many people here who know the Serge much better.

I have The Variable Slope VCF (VCFS) and I must admit I do not use it so much although yes it is really great in feedback loops and it has a different character when patched back into the frequency of an oscillator.

Take out of and oscillator (lets say saw) into the filter (VCFS) and then back (from lets say LO) in the frequency of the oscillator (VCF). Compared the Variable Q you should be getting nice steps by playing the Frequency and the Slope. Listen of course the oscillator.
And then the Phaser 720 in this chain. :-).

In Cebec example if you have a Frequency Shifter it sounds really good as well.

Thank you once more Cebec and nrdvrgr enjoy the serge it is a great instrument.

have a nice night

rastko

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 14, 2012 5:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

cebec wrote:
Both of these really perk up when you patch in some resonance.


Post some video or audio for us please?

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 14, 2012 6:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

cebec wrote:
optionally, pass that Mixer output through something, like the Dual Phaser (2PHA), before patching it back to the IN of the VCF2.


simple - brilliant! thumbs up

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 14, 2012 6:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

VCFQ rocks!
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 5:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Greetings from Geneva !

as a result of this thread I am now in love with the Variable Slope VCF.

Here is a feedback video centered around the Variable Slope VCF.

There is even a description on the Vimeo page.

Thank you once more.

link : http://vimeo.com/48278166


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