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Introducing ADDAC207 Intuitive Quantizer
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Author Introducing ADDAC207 Intuitive Quantizer
__ag
Hello all,

We're very glad to annouce one more addition to our modules line:
ADDAC207 Intuitive Quantizer

This will be our Quantizing solution
4 voice quantizer and chord generator
Simple setting of scales/key/modes through illuminated push-buttons and a reset button that sets the key according to the switches configuration.
10 presets to store your favorite settings
4 note chord generation with settings for the note interval of each output.
Scale temperaments, like Pure scale Bohlen-Pierce, Wendy Carlos...
And more...

more info on this soon!
http://addacsystem.com/product/addac200-series/addac207

like always beta users's are welcome, please check details here:
https://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=38161

all the very best
andre

BugBrand
WOW!
microfauna
Great. Plenty of space on panel.
Paranormal Patroler
We need a better picture; I can't read the purple letters. I might also be interested in being a beta user but I need more info first to see if this is my cap of tea. -> Guinness ftw!


Edit

Also, I can tell from now that there would be an obvious need for a Hold CV in and maybe some other stuff. Feature creep and all.
Bacchus
This looks amazing! All the standout features of the different quantizers (keyboard, chords, trigger outs) combined into one package! And microtones too! If the chords are also quantized to the scale selected by the keys (i.e. diatonic), then this is basically the perfect quantizer for me.

Tempted by the beta....
Paranormal Patroler
I'm tempted by the microtonal myself.
DonKartofflo
Frag yeah! Gonna get this!
mono-poly
Damn!
burnn_out!
I believe this and the curves module will be under my future ownership. Love to pair this with the TTA Z 8000. MY ASS IS BLEEDING screaming goo yo
grape tony
WOAH
richard
looks superb. I am surprised someone didn't do something like this in euro long ago
richard
why does it have 2 different kinds of jacks?
mono-poly
Seems like different ones are used to hold the pcb to the frontpanel.
cycles
Hot diggity, this looks like it'll probably replace my uScale!

Any chance of some videos?
burnn_out!
richard wrote:
why does it have 2 different kinds of jacks?


Maybe its a way to differentiate the ins and outs. As the outs all have washers where the ins do not...
lloydcole
BugBrand wrote:
WOW!


You beat me to it. Wow!
aethersprite
whoops double posting oops
aethersprite
About time euro got a multiple input quantizer, this looks fantastic!
pas
This looks fantastic!
XidZeta
sign me up!

how many hp?
Bishop Dust
Looks awesome Andre !
i think it s time to sell my chord machine


And i would say 10hp ...
ianross
Do the buttons for the chords/scale light up not only when they're active but when it actually quantizes? The uScale LEDs do this.

Just wondering
tIB
That's an incredible design- packs it all in. Guinness ftw!
mudlogger
this looks like a uscale, quantimator and A156 all in one module - 4 gate outs is the big one for me.

On paper this looks like the king of quantizers
Paranormal Patroler
mudlogger wrote:
this looks like a uscale, quantimator and A156 all in one module - 4 gate outs is the big one for me.

On paper this looks like the king of quantizers


Hmm, I don't see it replacing my Quantimator, it don't (sic) have all the Quantimator scales in it, or my a-156 for that matter. It is a nice addition to the line of quantizers but it's as much a matter of features as a matter of functionality. Where's the CV control over parameters?
missingtwin
been checkin out quantizers. this one just shot up to the top.
nice design!
miraclehex
Wow ... this is great. How exactly do the chords work?
I'm pretty useless musically, but how I imagine the Flame Chord Machine works is that you put it a single CV into it, and it quantizes it, then works out 3 other notes to make a chord, and outputs all four separately?

Does the 207 do something similar? I can imagine it being even better (especially with the 4x clock inputs!), but a clearer photo/manual/more detailed description would be awesome.
thumbs up
HueMonContact
Holy cow!!! This is awesome.
This will be my 1st ADDAC module in my setup.
pas
I want this in blue BugBrand!
dodecabilly
will it have ASR function, like Quantimator?
__ag
Hello,
it won't have an ASR, but it has a Gate Out with definable length so that you can connect it to your favourite ADSR.

Also integrated several new features not mentioned in previous posts (like compatible with 1v per octave or buchla's 1.2v per octave), but more about these new features very soon!

Also glad to announce that Beta Users orders will hopefully start to ship in 2 weeks!

all the very best
andre
dodecabilly
well, I was asking about Analog Shift Register function...? smile considering it have multiple outputs...
__ag
Ah, sorry, reading ASR immediately made me think of Envelopes...

in this case no, it has multiple outs but also has multiple inputs, and with 1 input only the 3 extra outputs can be used for chord generation, with it's intervals being user definable, meaning that you can have chords with Tonic, and any note you choose with intervals from 0 to 11. for ex. Tonic, 3rd, 5th and 7th or Tonic, 11th, 9th, 3rd. Major and Minor intervals will be generated depending on the scale defined. In a C scale and Tonic C a 3rd will be major, with Tonic D 3rd will be minor and so on...

Not sure if i was totally clear above, but all these questions will soon vanish when we finish the manual and make some videos!

all the very best
andre
Paranormal Patroler
__ag wrote:
Also glad to announce that Beta Users orders will hopefully start to ship in 2 weeks!


Is this valid for all the upcoming modules's beta users or just the quantizer?
miraclehex
Is it too late to buy a Beta one?
HueMonContact
I really want to give this module a test drive! Very amazing design!
XidZeta
Any idea when we can expect this one? i NEED some quantization in my setup!
Gringo Starr
XidZeta wrote:
Any idea when we can expect this one? i NEED some quantization in my setup!


I second this. Is there a rough ETA?
Thee Loving Hand
wow. that looks perfect!
bj_gzp
I hope to get mine before Xmas hyper
BJ
exper
Did anyone get a beta version? I'd love to see this thing in action before deciding to change up my quantization options.
Paranormal Patroler
exper wrote:
Did anyone get a beta version? I'd love to see this thing in action before deciding to change up my quantization options.


What'd'you got?
bj_gzp
I gave up my Quantimator in anticipation of the 207.
Can't wait to play it with a ribbon.
Cheers,
BJ
exper
Paranormal Patroler wrote:
exper wrote:
Did anyone get a beta version? I'd love to see this thing in action before deciding to change up my quantization options.


What'd'you got?


I have a Flame Tame Machine currently. Which I love. Its very quirky with the "beat" section, but the quantizer with mini keyboard scales is just so intuitive. But as much as I love it, the idea of 4 harmonically related quantizations is a huge draw. Especially when you consider each has its own trigger input, unlike the uScale which really has to be locked before the quantizer in order to always get perfect notes locked to a clock.

If I'm not explaining that correctly, what I mean is, say you use a joystick CV source along with a trigger pattern. With my Flame, I will get notes only as long as the trigger fires, otherwise it will hold the last note. With other quantizers like the uScale, the quantizer will still quantize that joystick CV, not matter if a new trigger is received. So you will sometimes get quantizations with the same note held. Sometimes that's nice, but I'm a big fan of using a joystick for sort of random, tempo synced melodies. To do that with a uScale (or quantimator too I suppose) you'd need to S/d the CV source with your clock...
Paranormal Patroler
exper wrote:
I have a Flame Tame Machine currently. Which I love. Its very quirky with the "beat" section, but the quantizer with mini keyboard scales is just so intuitive. But as much as I love it, the idea of 4 harmonically related quantizations is a huge draw. Especially when you consider each has its own trigger input, unlike the uScale which really has to be locked before the quantizer in order to always get perfect notes locked to a clock.


Well, I have the Quantimator, a Flame Tame and I can see the 207 and a Chord Machine in my future hihi And while we're at it, some upcoming modules (Metropolis, Syntech E102) have quantizers onboard. Things are getting pretty tonal in euroland ...


By the way, I've seen the videos on Youtube but there are still some stuff I haven't figured out on the Tame Machine. It's easy to grasp but it can be rather complex as well.
exper
The Flame has served me well, in fact, if I add another row to my system I'd like to keep it. I guess the sometimes frustratin thing about it is that the bet section is really a luck of the draw situation. It's great that the beat divisions and cv source are loopable, but its not always predictable.

Anyway, the Addac looks so amazing for 10 hp. I never heard a confirmation but I'm assuming the scale/keypad section lights up according to the scale.
Paranormal Patroler
exper wrote:
The Flame has served me well, in fact, if I add another row to my system I'd like to keep it. I guess the sometimes frustratin thing about it is that the bet section is really a luck of the draw situation. It's great that the beat divisions and cv source are loopable, but its not always predictable.


It works best if you've got something external synched which will make the measures intelligible. I always keep the beat on something separate and I count according to that.
Neo
CV control? Would be awesome if it can select presets under CV control.
matttech
got one on order (beta) ....not sure how long it'll be seriously, i just don't get it
exper
matttech wrote:
got one on order (beta) ....not sure how long it'll be seriously, i just don't get it


Awesome! I can't wait to see some demos and comments about it! I was thinking of replacing my Tame Machine with it, but now I'm thinking "as well as" (of course). Dead Banana
XidZeta
I tried to email addacc about ordering a beta, no reply seriously, i just don't get it
Paranormal Patroler
That happens when ADDAC is pretty busy. It can only be a good thing!
He will reply though, it has happened to me before.
matttech
XidZeta wrote:
I tried to email addacc about ordering a beta, no reply seriously, i just don't get it



i sorted one out a few weeks before xmas, and they were very quick getting back to me with details/ invoice etc..

maybe they’ve closed up shop for xmas

hopefully there will be some new developments on it over the next few weeks - am dying to get my hands on it, as it could potentially bring my whole 24u system together in a coherent and “in tune” fashion (i hope!)


either that or it will show me how much i need to recalibrate all my oscs!!
XidZeta
XidZeta wrote:
I tried to email addacc about ordering a beta, no reply seriously, i just don't get it


I misspelled the email address. And in the mean time spent all my money filling the rest of my 12u! (With room left for this one to round everything out) Looks like I'll just wait to worry about this one till its actually out. I have plenty to play with till then
mmelnick
i want that shiz
bj_gzp
mmelnick wrote:
i want that shiz

you are not alone Dead Banana
I hope to get mine in a couple of weeks.

BJ
SunSpots
I keep looking at my system build and thinking how essential this will be. I didn't want a single channel quantizer, or a limited dual channel.

quad, with a keypad to choose notes... man that's perfect
SunSpots
Anyone get the beta yet?
Paranormal Patroler
It seems this one will take longer than the rest, and those haven't been shipped yet so ... Ninja
SunSpots
Maaaaaaannn. Gotta stop obsessing about this and the Euclidean sequencer.
Could be months
Paranormal Patroler
Nah, the Quantizer will be made available soon-ish; so you're doing the right thing obsessing over it.
bj_gzp
I'm on the beta list for that one.
I was told the hardware is all fine, and delay is with debugging the code.
This is one of his more complex modules from a firmware point of view.

I'll post here as soon as i was notified my unit has been shipped...

cheers,
björn
matttech
yep...i'm waiting too. keep forgetting i've even ordered it!


i'd rather they get it totally right before sending it out though
Paranormal Patroler
matttech wrote:
I'd rather they get it totally right before sending it out though


I'll second that. It's way better to wait to get a glitch free module than having to wait because you sent it back for an upgrade.
bj_gzp
The manual is now on the website :
http://www.addacsystem.com/sites/default/files/files/ADDAC207_USERS_GU IDE.pdf
A LOT of functionality SlayerBadger!
Paranormal Patroler
Did they change the keys to black like they did on the 206 Switch? Black is cool. 8_)
matttech
Paranormal Patroler wrote:
matttech wrote:
I'd rather they get it totally right before sending it out though


I'll second that. It's way better to wait to get a glitch free module than having to wait because you sent it back for an upgrade.


having said that of course, i'm now getting impatient!!

i really need a multi-input quantizer to make my mammoth system come together and make musical sense
Paranormal Patroler
matttech wrote:
Paranormal Patroler wrote:
matttech wrote:
I'd rather they get it totally right before sending it out though


I'll second that. It's way better to wait to get a glitch free module than having to wait because you sent it back for an upgrade.


having said that of course, i'm now getting impatient!!

i really need a multi-input quantizer to make my mammoth system come together and make musical sense


Weren't these available since last week?
bj_gzp
Haha, what a coincidence!
I just picked up mine from the post, Serial #2 ! It's motherfucking bacon yo
bj
Paranormal Patroler
Hug
itijik
Are any of these going to analog haven soon?
XidZeta
bj_gzp wrote:
Haha, what a coincidence!
I just picked up mine from the post, Serial #2 ! It's motherfucking bacon yo
bj


pix or it didnt happen (hides)
dogoftears
cool, this is one of the few euro modules i still have my eye on, would love to see a vid of 4 channels of note sequencing processed by this with someone jamming out on scale changes in real time on each of the 4 channels.

bring it! addac is the pimpest lookin thang in euro!
matttech
What the fuck? I preordered one as part of the beta program, but haven't heard a word. Grrrrrrr
Paranormal Patroler
matttech wrote:
What the fuck? I preordered one as part of the beta program, but haven't heard a word. Grrrrrrr


I was merely pulling your leg, but then bj_gzp happened. hihi
__ag
Hello all,

And yes, we started shipping the quantizers!
smile

Bjorn was the first to pre-order the module, before it was even announced here, so he got #2, all other pre-orders will ship this week, we'll keep all you waiting for your pre-order individually posted through email.

The big batch is being produced at the moment and in aprox. 2 months should ship to all other distributors including AH.

like Bjorn also mentioned some posts back, the users guide is online at:
http://www.addacsystem.com/sites/default/files/files/ADDAC207_USERS_GU IDE_V2.pdf

all the very best
andre
Paranormal Patroler
Andre is back! screaming goo yo screaming goo yo screaming goo yo
bj_gzp
XidZeta wrote:
bj_gzp wrote:
Haha, what a coincidence!
I just picked up mine from the post, Serial #2 ! It's motherfucking bacon yo
bj


pix or it didnt happen (hides)


I tried, but the cam in my mobile sucks hard. Sold my G12 2 weeks ago to upgrade to a camcorder, modular porn in mind wink

The 207 works like a charm, i really love the KB mode! SlayerBadger!
But i didn't test any chords yet, cause i just have 1 voice on v/oct...

BJ
Paranormal Patroler
bj_gzp wrote:

I tried, but the cam in my mobile sucks hard. Sold my G12 2 weeks ago to upgrade to a camcorder, modular porn in mind wink

The 207 works like a charm, i really love the KB mode! SlayerBadger!
But i didn't test any chords yet, cause i just have 1 voice on v/oct...

BJ


I've got a Sony digital handycam and I'm thinking of buying a Canon XM2 for some double angle modular porn videos! When the 207 lands I'll definitely make some; don't worry I've got at least 5 1v/oct oscillators so we're covered.

hyper hyper hyper
SunSpots
Paid for mine!
Can't even read half way thru the manual without getting the warm fuzzies
This is the one quantizer to rule them all
Audio Dependent
Any first reactions from the beta owners?
bj_gzp
I'm happy with mine.SlayerBadger!
but i only use it 10%... in a monophonic drone voice.

One thing that may not be clear from reading the manual: it quantizes without needing a trigger. I prefer it this way, but this behavior may be different to whats known from other quantizers.

bj
Paranormal Patroler
Huh? I don't know why some quantizers need a trigger anyway. hmmm.....
exper
So that the change in pitch occurs in time with a clock or key press.

@bj_gzp, but when there is a trigger in it locks the pitch change to that, right?
bj_gzp
exper wrote:
@bj_gzp, but when there is a trigger in it locks the pitch change to that, right?


I think the trigger is more related to the gate out than the quantizer out. However I have to test this, as i do not work with external triggers. And i'll have to study the manual on that topic as well, i think there are settings related to trigger behavior.

A thing i can tell for sure, when i route cv from a pressure point pot into the quantizer and sweep the pot, the output is a stepped (quantized) sweep. No triggers whatsoever in the game. The change in CV "triggers" quantization to next note.

bj
Paranormal Patroler
exper wrote:
So that the change in pitch occurs in time with a clock or key press.

@bj_gzp, but when there is a trigger in it locks the pitch change to that, right?


So why would you need a sequencer then?
exper
Because you can now quantize other sources. Envelopes, lfos, random generators, noise, etc.
Paranormal Patroler
So why not trigger them? Or trigger a VCA that Amplifies their signal?
exper
Well, because they aren't always stepped themselves. With a quantizer that is triggered, like the a-156, flame tame machine or I beliece the quantimator, any source, smooth cv, audio rate sound, etc can be used as a source for melodies and notes. Try putting noise into a non stepped quantizer, it'll be crazy. So you either need a sample and hold before a non stepped quantizer or happily use one that is triggered. There's always (fortunately) more than one way to skin a cat. wink
Paranormal Patroler
So I suppose we are once again at the doldrums with this module? Any info or anything?
matttech
have got mine, but have been having some pretty bleak days with the modular recently, with technical issues etc.. doing my head right in......so i've not got round to trying this module out yet (have got a horrible feeling it may lead me down some more troubleshooting paths.....but that's not based on anything other than my current pessimism)

got to get back to having fun with the modular again at some point, or it may all have to go sad banana
Paranormal Patroler
eek!

Hey man, if you decide to sell it then I'll sell mine as well. sad banana
exper
Too bad Matt. What issues are you having?
matttech
right - day one with the 207 and i can't get any output from it at all

i have tried sending a sequence into it and also an lfo, with it set to C2, all notes active, "major" selected and "N" selected

the lights are all flashing away, showing that quantizing is taking place.....but the pitch of the connected AFG is simply staying on one note

monitoring the output in O'Tool shows that nothing is coming out of the output at all

am using the in and out of quantizer 1

what am i doing wrong??

do i need to "set key" before it will work?

have perused the manual a little, but it's a pretty intimidating read


any suggestions?? seriously, i just don't get it
matttech
can't get anything out of it in "keyboard" mode either - no pitch change is output


have i got it in "bypass" or something???


it's not very intuitive so far....
matttech
apparently it’s DOA.

have got to return it. ARSE!!
meatbeatz
matttech wrote:
apparently it’s DOA.

have got to return it. ARSE!!


Dude! Sorry to hear that. After the shitstorm of problems you've been having I really hoped you'd report back with a great review. Hang in there man. Roll a fatty and throw on some Keith Hudson.
matttech
Yup. It's beyond tedious

The only reason it's taken me so long to try it out is that I was so fed up after all the previous faulty modules (and subsequent creative doldrums that this caused)that I simply couldn't face it. I just KNEW it wouldn't work properly, and would ruin another day's music making. But I've managed to get myself back on track mentally, and am working my way through sending off the various problem modules to be repaired

Feeling optimistic again I fired up the 207.

Wish I hadn't.

Andre has kindly offered to refund me the return shipping, bit I dunno...I'm kind of thinking I might just give up on it and get a refund, seeing as it is literally not working at all. Not sure yet - part of me wants to give it another go, but I'm not exactly full of confidence thus far. And from what I've heard ADDAC modules are usually pretty solid stuff.

I don't get how one chip can go wrong as a result of shipping, but I'm no expert. The box was intact when it got here. Weird
I'm not even angry ....just bored of this kind of stuff now

It's gotta end soon, surely
DrBerndtHoffmann
Audio Dependent wrote:
Any first reactions from the beta owners?


My unit seems to be A-OK. Indeed it's exactly what my system/style has needed. It's great for poly-rhythms and generative stuff and pairs very well with some of my favourite modules - the Z8000, Timetable, RCD, Wogglebug and WMD PDO (in quad LFO mode).

Here's a couple of tracks where it plays a central role:
[s]http://soundcloud.com/drberndthoffmann/raindrops[/s]
Link: https://soundcloud.com/drberndthoffmann/raindrops

[s]http://soundcloud.com/drberndthoffmann/beltway-2024[/s]
Link: https://soundcloud.com/drberndthoffmann/beltway-2024

mattech, sorry to hear you're had a rough time with the Quantiser - and modular in general. I hope you - or anyone else - is not put off the module; it's a great little unit.
Paranormal Patroler
we're not worthy really well laid tracks doc! Is it all modular? I suppose the reverb is external.
DrBerndtHoffmann
Paranormal Patroler wrote:
we're not worthy really well laid tracks doc! Is it all modular? I suppose the reverb is external.


Thanks!

The first track is 100% modular, with the Z-DSP on reverb duties. The second uses a bit of Eventide Space for the intermittent squawks/foghorns, but otherwise is all modular too.
Paranormal Patroler
It's really really good man. I especially like how it's modular, abstract sounding, but in the same time it's quite easy to the ear. It is approachable and it has pace. Also the elements are well tied together (but I have to point out that I heard it through laptop speakers). Well done.
Phetus
Seconded, amazing stuff.

I have a question. How does it compare to the Flame Chord Machine? Is it similar but with more scales/tunings(?) and more control?
DrBerndtHoffmann
Phetus wrote:
Seconded, amazing stuff.

I have a question. How does it compare to the Flame Chord Machine? Is it similar but with more scales/tunings(?) and more control?


Thanks! oops

I don't really know the Chord Machine that well, but I think the main difference is that each of the ADDAC's four Quantisers can be operate independently to play different notes within a scale while with the Flame each output is related to the root note and chosen chord.

I guess you could say the Flame generates Chords while the ADDAC can generate whole arrangemements eg. bass, lead, harmonies, etc.
ws9848
I just took a listen. those tracks do sound really nice.
Phetus
Ah ok thanks Dr.

Also, just for reference, would you mind posting your setup?

ws9848: Aren't they? Tabla robo-don sounds great I think.
dj_bluefalcon
ADDAC you are too cool.

Play Him Off, Keyboard Cat.
DrBerndtHoffmann
Phetus wrote:


Also, just for reference, would you mind posting your setup?



Urgh... it's a bit of a beast. 21U. Thinking about how much I've spent on it makes me wince...

If I remember correctly, Tabla robo-don is mostly Timetable, Hertz Donut, Optomix, ZDSP, Doepfer A-199, Corgasmatron (for feedback loops), and Cwejman VC-FCS.

Hope that helps.
Phetus
eek! Wow nice. Yeah ok, fair enough. Thanks anyway!
lloydcole
Any more news on this module? So far I see one beta tester happy and one very happy... Not really enough for me to decide if i should try to get one. It looks like exactly what I need (4 uScales + trigger)...
bloop
ADDAC told me, that the first modules will be out beginning of May (for those who pre-ordered 30 years ago)
wbelote
I'm really intrigued by the idea if chord progressions in the modular world, but nothing I've seen yet feels like it really does the job, simply and completely. It's hard to beat a quality polyphonic synth for chordal harmony.

I have gleaned this just from demos and reading, so I'm open to being convinced. Show me a module that lets me build any chord progression (at least 4 note chords) easily, or at least then has a memory for favorite progressions, and I might be a buyer.
VC_Wiggular
bloop wrote:
(for those who pre-ordered 30 years ago)


lol

Have been waiting for this since last year, got a uscale meanwhile till this comes out
lloydcole
wbelote wrote:
I'm really intrigued by the idea if chord progressions in the modular world, but nothing I've seen yet feels like it really does the job, simply and completely. It's hard to beat a quality polyphonic synth for chordal harmony.


Orchestras do it pretty well with monophonic instruments for the most part...
That said the Modcan Triple Oscillator + Synthwerks 4*4 PGM makes pretty good 3 note chords. Add a 4th VCO and a second quantizer and you can make something like this -
[s]http://soundcloud.com/lloydcole/poly1[/s]
If the Addac quantizer ever appears and does what it looks like it should this type of thing would be easily done with discrete VCOs. It can be done now that way, one just needs 4 uScales.
matttech
just a quick question - when connect a sequencer to the ADDAC207, and send its output to the 1v/oct input of an oscillator the pitch jumps up by just under 2 octaves (even when all the sequencer's knobs are at zero). it is almost as if the quantizer is transposing everything up nearly two octaves.

i'm sure i'm probably missing something really basic, but i've looked at the traspose section and as far as i can tell it shouldn't be transposing unless there is a positive input into the transpose socket (just tried sending a DC from Maths into it and it DOES transpose up even more - i was hoping i might be able to reset it/ bring it back down by applying a 0v DC, but it didn't work)

any ideas?
Paranormal Patroler
Are you positive your notes values coming from the sequencer are in increments under 2 octaves? I know it sounds stupid but it got me a long time to get used to the fact that a knob turn/slide length usually equals 5 octaves.

I can't think of something else apart from internal programming (or bleeding)
matttech
Paranormal Patroler wrote:
Are you positive your notes values coming from the sequencer are in increments under 2 octaves? I know it sounds stupid but it got me a long time to get used to the fact that a knob turn/slide length usually equals 5 octaves.

I can't think of something else apart from internal programming (or bleeding)


eh? the knobs were all set to zero, so there should be no change in the receiving osc's pitch - i tried the sequencer straight into the osc's 1v/oct input and there is no change. plug the ADDAC207 into the osc's 1v/oct input and it jumps up 2 octaves....it even does this with no sequence connected to the quantizer


ANYWAY.....i DID actually sort it out in the end.

what it is is this: there is an octave offset function on the ADDAC207, and that was shifting it up 2 octaves all the time.

you can change this by entering the relevant menu and selecting the correct button for NO octave offset (0v) - however, the manual needs updating as it mentions negative octave offsets which don't exist any more. button 1 is in fact NO shift, and then it gets higher as the buttons go up in number....so that foxed me for a bit

another thing to bear in mind is that you have to change this octave offset while the quantizer is running/ receiving a CV input. press the octave offset button (9) once, and then press the button for the offset you want, then press it again to exit and save the setting.

works perfectly if the quantizer is running, but does nothing to the offset if it's not

am getting there!

other than this, it's now working properly and seems like it's gonna be a lot of fun!
lloydcole
matttech wrote:
other than this, it's now working properly and seems like it's gonna be a lot of fun!


Good news. Please keep us posted.
matttech
am tentatively starting to try to get multiple parts working with each other "musically" and in key

the only thing is, it's made me realise the discrepancies between my oscs' calibrations

never really had many issues lining up z3000s with my AFG, or even my uLFO....but the Cyclebox and DPO are two VERY different beasts. may have to look into calibrating them

it's weird, because i tried the DPO when i got it and it seemed fine....but now it's out of tune within three octaves i'd say. hmmmm....time to get the screwdriver out eek!
Paranormal Patroler
matttech wrote:
am tentatively starting to try to get multiple parts working with each other "musically" and in key

the only thing is, it's made me realise the discrepancies between my oscs' calibrations

never really had many issues lining up z3000s with my AFG, or even my uLFO....but the Cyclebox and DPO are two VERY different beasts. may have to look into calibrating them

it's weird, because i tried the DPO when i got it and it seemed fine....but now it's out of tune within three octaves i'd say. hmmmm....time to get the screwdriver out eek!


Before you do you should read the manual of the 207. I think it can be modified to keep your untamed oscillators in line.
lloydcole
I was really looking forward to this module, but then I just looked at that manual. I think I may not be smart enough to buy this. I'm most likely buying several more uScales and slope detectors soon. Too bad.
Paranormal Patroler
You don't really need to get into the deep part of the module. What the uScale would cover is pretty easy to implement on the 207 as well.
flo
I have three questions about this module, mainly with the Quantimator in mind (which I like, but I use only a fraction of the scales / chords and would love to have the ability to define user scales / chords). I quickly checked the manual, but either I didn't see it or it's not in there:

  • I like the transpose knob on the Quantimator, as this allows to transpose to other keys easily without retuning each individual osc, which especially in live situations is very nice. Question: does the 207 transpose in semitone steps if an offset is applied to transpose, as the Quantimator does?
  • If you use this to generate chords (i.e. only voice 1 has an input), do changes in the sequence (or whatever) that's applied to input 1 just transpose this particular chord (like on the Quantimator), or is there an actual chord progression?
  • Are the outputs buffered?

If all of these questions are a yes, I will hurry to replace my Quantimator with the 207. I also like that it takes negative voltages at the input, which I miss on the Quantimator...

Thanks & cheers! Guinness ftw!
DrBerndtHoffmann
Paranormal Patroler wrote:
You don't really need to get into the deep part of the module. What the uScale would cover is pretty easy to implement on the 207 as well.


I would second this.

I've not used the menus in the ADDAC at all yet (a similar factor put me off the uScale) and do indeed find it very intuitive. It's also very "playable" - say feed it an LFO or two and play the key board to get some great arpeggios in seconds.
matttech
lloydcole wrote:
I was really looking forward to this module, but then I just looked at that manual. I think I may not be smart enough to buy this. I'm most likely buying several more uScales and slope detectors soon. Too bad.


the manual’s fucking terrifying. luckily the module is really great!

have been really enjoying being able to set keys on the fly, as i’ve only ever had an a156 before, with limited scope for picking and choosing notes.

not really tried anything complex with it yet, but it’s working just fine in the basic scenarios i’ve tried so far

the moskwa in random mode, and this makes for some fun times
Paranormal Patroler
matttech wrote:
the manual’s fucking terrifying. luckily the module is really great!


Just read through it a couple of times man. This module is definitely as deep as it goes, but it tackles tons of tasks.
matttech
maybe it will be slightly easier to tackle now that i'm not reading it in blind panic, with a DOA quantizer in front of me!

(has been replaced now - awesome customer service from ADDAC, so NO complaints there thumbs up thumbs up thumbs up thumbs up )
lloydcole
So, are the kinks ironed out? Should I buy one (if I can find one)?
matttech
i'm not sure i've investigated it enough to provide a comprehensive answer, but it's certainly working well with regard to the scope within which i've been using it.

to be honest, i only really wanted it so i could have several different sequences all quantized to the same key, and it seems to be doing that just fine

my first one had a broken chip, but since i received the replacement it seems fine
flo
flo wrote:
I have three questions about this module, mainly with the Quantimator in mind (which I like, but I use only a fraction of the scales / chords and would love to have the ability to define user scales / chords). I quickly checked the manual, but either I didn't see it or it's not in there:

  • I like the transpose knob on the Quantimator, as this allows to transpose to other keys easily without retuning each individual osc, which especially in live situations is very nice. Question: does the 207 transpose in semitone steps if an offset is applied to transpose, as the Quantimator does?
  • If you use this to generate chords (i.e. only voice 1 has an input), do changes in the sequence (or whatever) that's applied to input 1 just transpose this particular chord (like on the Quantimator), or is there an actual chord progression?
  • Are the outputs buffered?

If all of these questions are a yes, I will hurry to replace my Quantimator with the 207. I also like that it takes negative voltages at the input, which I miss on the Quantimator...

Thanks & cheers! Guinness ftw!


So, no one has an answer to this...? Matt...?
matttech
as i said, i've only really used it in a VEY basic fashion so far

re: buffered outputs - maybe email ADDAC seriously, i just don't get it

doesn't it tell you any of this in the manual?
matttech
from the manual:

"TRANSPOSE 1v/Octave CV Input
This CV input allows a positive 1v/octave CV to be connected for external Scale Transposition. Incoming CV is divided in 12 semitones for every 1v, let’s assume X semitones. The scale is immediately transposed offsetting the Root note by the same X semitones."
Paranormal Patroler
matttech wrote:
doesn't it tell you any of this in the manual?


I think it more than covers all the questions. Read the manual.
matttech
Paranormal Patroler wrote:
matttech wrote:
doesn't it tell you any of this in the manual?


I think it more than covers all the questions. Read the manual.


well, it does....but it also doesn't help that there are errors like this in it:


"TRANSPOSE OPERATIONS

TRANSPOSE 1v/Octave CV Input

This CV input allows a positive 1v/octave CV to be connected for external Scale Transposition. Incoming CV is divided in 12 semitones for every 1v, let’s assume X semitones. The scale is immediately transposed offsetting the Root note by the same X semitones.
The CV input voltage range is not important by itself, meaning that +1v will result in the same transposition as +3v which would be zero or no transposition.
This operation is not visible in the Scale Leds.

KEY/OCTAVE Rotary Switch

This CV input allows a positive 1v/octave CV to be connected for external Scale Transposition.
Incoming CV is divided in 12 semitones for every 1v resulting in X semitones. The scale is then transposed offsetting the Root note by the same X semitones.
The CV input voltage range is not important by itself, meaning that +1v will result in the same transposition as +3v which would be zero or no transposition.
This operation is not visible in the Scale Leds."


weird...
matttech
(well i'm presuming that's an error - it seems to say exactly the same thing for both functions)

seriously, i just don't get it
Paranormal Patroler
I remember that one lol Probably an error. Damn, you know I've been thinking I could be making a living out of correcting manuals, sites and handling communication for all Module Manufacturers that joggle with the English language.
flo
Thanks guys, I quickly checked the manual before asking here but indeed didn't see the bit about transposing, guess I went over it all a bit fast. I suppose the transpose function works like I want it to despite the duplication error in the manual...

Regarding buffer, I searched for "buff" within the manual and didn't find anything wink I think I'll shoot the fine folks at Addac an email about that one, but I also think from my experience with Addac that the chance is very high that the outs are buffered.

Regarding my question about "chords", I don't think it does what I want from scanning the manual (not sure whether it's really possible that easily anyways), but I'll also ask in the email. Being able to dial in user defined intervals is already cooler than the fixed modes in the Quantimator IMO (I only use like two or so of them...).

Cheers! Guinness ftw!
Paranormal Patroler
Sorry flo, I missed your second question:

If you use this to generate chords (i.e. only voice 1 has an input), do changes in the sequence (or whatever) that's applied to input 1 just transpose this particular chord (like on the Quantimator), or is there an actual chord progression?


I think you should be looking at the Chord Machine from Flame for that functionality, although I'm not positive I did get your question.
matttech
Paranormal Patroler wrote:
I remember that one lol Probably an error. Damn, you know I've been thinking I could be making a living out of correcting manuals, sites and handling communication for all Module Manufacturers that joggle with the English language.


"joggle"? hihi
Paranormal Patroler
That was supposed to be a double entendre.
flo
Paranormal Patroler wrote:
Sorry flo, I missed your second question:

If you use this to generate chords (i.e. only voice 1 has an input), do changes in the sequence (or whatever) that's applied to input 1 just transpose this particular chord (like on the Quantimator), or is there an actual chord progression?


I think you should be looking at the Chord Machine from Flame for that functionality, although I'm not positive I did get your question.


Yeah I'm going back and forth regarding polyphony (well paraphony actually) on the modular, things like the Chord Machine or the Patch Chord etc... Not that easy a thing to do, but I still like the idea. The thing about 207 vs. Chord Machine (also vs. Quantimator) is also, I like the idea of having both - four (more or less) independent quantizers as well as chord options plus user definable scales and also trigger inputs... All things rather important for me and no other than the 207 does it all AFAIK.

An example of what I meant: say you have programmed a scale of A minor. Now let's say you input an A (with a sequencer or something) to input 1 and it plays a standard A minor 7th chord (A, C, E, G). What does it do when you input a C with your sequencer: C minor (C, Dis, G, Ais) or something still in A minor (like C, E, G, H which would be an A minor 9th)? Basically, I guess I'm asking whether the chord function would just transpose the intervals or still keep only notes that are allowed in the programmed scale... If the progression is akin to something like "traditional" chord progressions, even better. But it would already be cool if it kept the "allowed" scales instead of simply transposing. (As a side note, for transposing you basically don't need a fancy quantizer, you could just tune the oscs differently.)

Cheers!
matttech
ah.....very good
bloop
ADDAC told me that they will deliver the module beginnging of may. hmmm.....
Paranormal Patroler
Any week now. hyper
Bishop Dust
My rack is still waiting for this killer module Ninja
bloop
ADDAC told me, that PCBs arrived and modules will be completed now.
SunSpots
I'm at the front of that waiting list somewhere... Def need this and the modcan quad lfo to make my system feel more complete.

... Almost there... Then I begin working on the next 12u help
withakay
Hi,

When will this quantiser be available?

It is top of my want list (along with the fixed filter bank) right now smile
SunSpots
Shipping date yet?
Paranormal Patroler
Payed for mine yesterday so expect shipping during this or the next week. hyper
snadge
Received mail from addac saying mine has shipped and I have tracking number. applause Guinness ftw!
visible cow
Quick (and probably obvious) question: Does this module allow you to quantize the four inputs to four separate scales at once? Or do you quantize all to the same scale?
SunSpots
snadge wrote:
Received mail from addac saying mine has shipped and I have tracking number. applause Guinness ftw!


SAME! This and the Modcan Quad LFO are going to bring a LOT of my modular together.

(and the 2 klees, trigger riot, grids, braids... Dead Banana )
bloop
Module finally arrived! SlayerBadger!
meatbeatz
bloop wrote:
Module finally arrived! SlayerBadger!


give us a demo well!
bloop
I am too lazy to go through the manual. It has so many functions and so it's not that 'intuitive'. But it does what I bought it for. Just synchronizing to the notes I select on the little keyboard.
I don't expect to go much deeper into the modul.
lloydcole
I'm in. Will report when it arrives and I have tested it.
SunSpots
I'm using basic modes too. Have not read manual... Eventually will get to deeper functions. Basic stuff is very intuitive... But yeah the rest I have no clue without reading manual smile
Paranormal Patroler
I can't believe it was shipped faster to the US than inside Europe. d'oh!
bj_gzp
visible cow wrote:
Quick (and probably obvious) question: Does this module allow you to quantize the four inputs to four separate scales at once? Or do you quantize all to the same scale?


It's 1 scale for the 4.
bloop
I got a problem with that module and can't find any solution in the manual:
I got 2 A-155 connected to the module. The 1st A-155 on Quantizer 1 is doing fine. But the 2nd A-155 on Quantizer 2 is playing anything, but nothing in scale. Same with Quantizer 3 and 4.
When I pull the plugs in Quantizer 1, Quantizer 2 is doing fine.

What am I doing wrong?
Thulo
Got mine today w00t
Have been tryin it out a bit but the weather is too nice.
More details to come...

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lloydcole
Got mine yesterday and can confirm that the unit itself is a lot more intuitive than the manual suggests! Looking forward to delving deeper but first tests were all fine. Will post more when I've done more testing.
Thulo
A small taste of what it can do.
I just have a DPO so only two voices.
Tried to run it to a macbeth m3x but with no success so far.

Enjoy the crappy video eek!

http://youtu.be/VXUeU7opZVM
lloydcole
Does Andre read this?
I've spent a little more time with the module. I still haven't TESTED that everything works as described but if it does ONE THING is missing which would make this quantizer perfect for me - CV access to presets. I would strongly recommend that this be added to the 'assign transpose input to menu functions' which shouldn't be difficult as only 9 buttons are now used and the 12th (labeled presets) is free...
This is possible with uScale using the shift in and it's hard for me to understand how this was missed when the 207 seems to just about everything else we'd hope for...
bloop
bloop wrote:
I got a problem with that module and can't find any solution in the manual:
I got 2 A-155 connected to the module. The 1st A-155 on Quantizer 1 is doing fine. But the 2nd A-155 on Quantizer 2 is playing anything, but nothing in scale. Same with Quantizer 3 and 4.
When I pull the plugs in Quantizer 1, Quantizer 2 is doing fine.

What am I doing wrong?


anyone? confused
meatbeatz
lloydcole wrote:
CV access to presets.


Agreed! Hopefully this could be addressed in an update.
Thulo
bloop wrote:
bloop wrote:
I got a problem with that module and can't find any solution in the manual:
I got 2 A-155 connected to the module. The 1st A-155 on Quantizer 1 is doing fine. But the 2nd A-155 on Quantizer 2 is playing anything, but nothing in scale. Same with Quantizer 3 and 4.
When I pull the plugs in Quantizer 1, Quantizer 2 is doing fine.

What am I doing wrong?


anyone? confused


Try switching to a different temper and then back to equal.
Then hold "set key" for 5 sek so it recalibrates.
Thulo
bloop wrote:
bloop wrote:
I got a problem with that module and can't find any solution in the manual:
I got 2 A-155 connected to the module. The 1st A-155 on Quantizer 1 is doing fine. But the 2nd A-155 on Quantizer 2 is playing anything, but nothing in scale. Same with Quantizer 3 and 4.
When I pull the plugs in Quantizer 1, Quantizer 2 is doing fine.

What am I doing wrong?


anyone? confused


Try switching to a different temper and then back to equal.
Then hold "set key" for 5 sek so it recalibrates.
bloop
many thanks, will try.
Royalston
How are people going with this module? Thinking of ordering but it aint cheap and I'd love to know how it is in use. (Have read the whole manual and it seems pretty clear)
meatbeatz
I would also like to hear how users are going with the 207. Is it as intuitive as the title suggests? Going by the manual it seems to be the least intuitive quantizer in euro given the menu structure and various modes. I would like to be proven wrong on this. I like how functionally deep it is but I'm more wondering how it lends itself to a performance situation.
bloop
After playing around 1-2 hours with it, you will find it very intuitive.
It has many features, but most of them you don't need every day or maybe never.
It just does quantizing 4 inputs to 4 outputs to one scale.
meatbeatz
Good to hear. Thanks for the feedback.
Royalston
I thought the manual was great - they really put some time into it, and I think I understand how it works before ive bought it.
Royalston
If I have it set to C major and I send a CV to the transpose input, can it transpose within the current scale, rather than transpose the key of the entire sequence...if that makes sense?
meatbeatz
Royalston wrote:
I thought the manual was great.


I think the manual is great too, as is all of ADDAC's documentation. Coming from an A-156, I guess I'm just a bit daunted at the depth of the 206. As long as in practice, the basic functions are easy to access then I'm sold. I'm surprised how little user feedback has resulted from what looks to be the "be all, end all" of euro quantizers.
elemental
Royalston wrote:
If I have it set to C major and I send a CV to the transpose input, can it transpose within the current scale, rather than transpose the key of the entire sequence...if that makes sense?


I would like to know this too.. one of the features of uScale that I am attracted to.
I love playing acoustic instruments with limited scales like this so would be great to be able to do this fluidly with the modular.
Royalston
can anyone answer this question about transposing sequences whilst staying in key- can it be done with this module?

Thanks
Thulo
Royalston wrote:
can anyone answer this question about transposing sequences whilst staying in key- can it be done with this module?

Thanks


You can set the input cv to either transpose one of the outputs or the octave. Both of these will stay in scale. You can also transpose the root key witch will not stay in scale.
Thulo
I have the uScale also and there is a bit of difference between the two. uScale makes some "atari" kind of noises when its confused or in between notes (especially when transposing). ADDAC 207 has no artifacts and sounds much cleaner.
I kind of like the artifacts that uScale produces but its nice to be able to get a clean tone aswell.
bloop
I noticed that the 207 is quantizing faster when a gate in is used for the corresponding voice. If no gate in is used, you hear a short glitch at the beginning of each note, quantizing a little bit too late.
snadge
Ok, would anyone be as kind to give me a basic 'how to' to use this module, I have followed the manual and my module just doesn't seem to do the things it should, ie, whatever I do the with the gate section is just superfluous and does nothing at all however I patch it, as for sequences I just can't seem to get anything but a four note ditty that stays the same whatever I do with the module, or have done, hopefully it's just me being thick.
bloop
It should be very simple.
Sequencer CV out to quantizer in, quantized CV out to VCO.
Gate out from sequencer or clock to gate in of the quantizer.
Be sure you don't have select any scales or other unusual settings.
Check all menus of the quantizer for the default settings.
Normally you don't need to touch the module, except for the key settings.
bj_gzp
snadge wrote:
Ok, would anyone be as kind to give me a basic 'how to' to use this module, I have followed the manual and my module just doesn't seem to do the things it should, ie, whatever I do the with the gate section is just superfluous and does nothing at all however I patch it, as for sequences I just can't seem to get anything but a four note ditty that stays the same whatever I do with the module, or have done, hopefully it's just me being thick.


Yes, bloop is right, it should work out of the box.
There is a reset function on the tunigs, in the case you messed them up by accident. Press and hold the "set key"button for five seconds.

If that doesn't help, i would contact Addac. You may have a DOA module sad banana
snadge
Thanks for the baby steps information, I have been away for a while and just tried the module after initialization and it does do something, I'm using CV input from a TipTop Z8000 and anything above 12 o clock on the Z8000 knob gives a missed note for some reason but thye Z8000 is working correctly in other scenarios, I am away again in the morning and will be so for another 2 weeks, so will put more effort into this mystery when I have more time in front of the modular.
withakay
Can I ask the UK guys where you managed to pickup your 207?

I have not see them listed as available anywhere...
sandyb
withakay wrote:
Can I ask the UK guys where you managed to pickup your 207?

I have not see them listed as available anywhere...


i don't have this specific module but i aways deal directly with addac for purchasing their modules. i am guessing that's what most people in this thread have done.
withakay
OK, thanks for the tip smile
101010oxo
Very interesting module...

I was about to get a A-156 or uScale, but this got me thinking:

Could I use this to for example play an A-198 Ribbon Controller and have the 207 convert/quantize the CV into four different CVs to make a chord using 4 VCOs? seriously, i just don't get it

That would be awesome... love
flo
^ Yeah that should not be a problem...
101010oxo
flo wrote:
^ Yeah that should not be a problem...


oh dear...

applause
elemental
I'm counting my pennies to get this module!!! really feel it could open up so many musical possibilites, I have a Wogglebug and a a155/154 .. and getting really into limited scales and interested in unusual temperaments...
want!!
Paranormal Patroler
Guess who is spending quality time with the manual ... hihi
I'm currently waiting for a friggin camera to arrive so expect some videos.
Thulo
I have an idea about this module but dont know how to do it. I want to use a standard midi to cv interface to run the cv input with and have it generate chords with alot of stuff cobtrolling the assign input.
The tricky part is that the cv input is bipolar (-5v to +5v) while the midi to cv interface is 0 to +10v.
Is there some attenuverter or something that converts these voltages so that it can track my keyboard?

Absolutely loving the module otherwise applause
spitznagl
@Thulo

An offset module will do that. Alternatively if you have a DC-coupled mixer, an inverter and a CV generator, you could also mix -5V with you modulation source(s) to make it bipolar.
Axiom Crux
NICE ONE!!!!!
Drumkin
I hope the 207 will be available in germany soon!
NS4W
I ordered it direct from ADDAC, but communication is really slow... I've started to suspect they make the modules by the order. Maybe not so unrealistic for a small operation.

Hope I will get an order confirmation soon.
Paranormal Patroler
Communication has been slow, that's true. Maybe it has to do with ADDAC Systems moving to a larger work space? That would be most likely.
Thulo
I have a weird problem with this module. I used to quantize my Macbeth M3X with my uScale and that worked fine. However, with the 207 i cant get any quantized values at all??
I hook it up with a doepfer 3.5mm>TS cable.
I have tried everything... just not working.
The only explanation i can come up with is the cables length difference (120 cm).
Anyone tried to run anything other than an modular osc?
bloop
I have problem when using more than 1 of the 4 quantizers. Only quantizer 1 works fine (even with Sub Phatty, SH-1000 and SEM).

Now I am waiting for a replacement module.
elemental
Just ordered mine... very excited to see what musical possibilities this module opens up.
Paranormal Patroler
Most musical quantizer I know of. And I've had most of them.
HIMA
any chance someone can upload a video of this in action? perhaps a bit of a walk through? we're not worthy
Paranormal Patroler
Any chance you can send me your camera? I'll be happy to make a walkthrough.
HIMA
i got a better idea, send me your 207 and i'll film it myself. w00t
Paranormal Patroler
Funny you should mention that since I just now realize I don't need a video of it in action, I have it in real life 3D. poke
HIMA
very frustrating
tiny333
Send the bloody camera

hihi
JJCarr
nanners bananas for ADDAC! will be picking one of these up soon.
elemental
got mine today. basic operation is easy, need to read the manual to get deep into this thing....!
NS4W
mine is in the mail!!! w00t
SamUK
Does it remember it's state between power cycles? That's the one thing that drives me bonkers about my uScale.
Thulo
Here is a little taste. Yes it remembers its state between cycles. If you save into preset 1 it will be automatically loaded.

Paranormal Patroler
SamUK wrote:
Does it remember it's state between power cycles? That's the one thing that drives me bonkers about my uScale.


Save it to preset number one as previously stated. Or just make presets for different types.
SamUK
Paranormal Patroler wrote:
SamUK wrote:
Does it remember it's state between power cycles? That's the one thing that drives me bonkers about my uScale.


Save it to preset number one as previously stated. Or just make presets for different types.

So I have to save it? If I power cycle my modular without saving, whatever setup is gone, right?

Had a look at the manual (can't text search it though); saving presets seems relatively straightforward.
tiny333
Maybe you should sell it

To me

hihi
withakay
Looking forward to getting in to the 207 at the weekend. So glad you can easily save the setup, one of my major turnoffs are modules that can't save state (easily) - I am looking at you Shippmann VCF-02
READYdot
I'm having some issues when triggering with ALMs Pamela's Workout. The gates don't seem to open according to the trigger they receive. What does the Quantizer need at the Gate Ins to trigger at best?

Another thing I haven't understood is if there's a cable at the gate in, is the internal gate, the one derived from the incoming CV at the CV In "overwritten" or is it still considered and "mixed" with the Gate at the Gate In?

Thanks for your help in advance,
Gilles
Paranormal Patroler
IIRC it's overwritten. Have you checked the latest manual revision?
READYdot
It says: "If this input is used it only Quantizes next note only when trigger is reveived."
So I suppose this answers my question, but the next paragraph in red is not really clear and I can't really understand what is explained...
Paranormal Patroler
Quote it for me ,as I don't have the manual readily available, and I'll explain it the best I can.
READYdot
Paranormal Patroler
What that part means is this,

in its original state the module does not require gates to quantize. If you plug in a gate on any of the Gate In jacks (1-4) then the module detects it and presumes you'll be sending it gates from now on. So it will only quantize the CV on that particular input (1-4) only when a gate is received in its respective Gate In (1-4). If you then remove the gate from the Gate In jack it will take 60 seconds of no received gate in order for the module to revert back to the original state (that of not anticipating a gate in order to quantize).

If you're too anxious and cannot wait the 60 minute period there is a procedure to go back to the original state. The procedure is the following: press Button # (1-4 according to which part you want to revert) and Button 6 simultaneously. This will resume the original behavior without regarding the Gate In jack, until you decide to plug a new jack on the Gate In input again.


So let's say you're quantizing stuff on Input 2 and you decide to plug in a gate in Gate In 2. It will quantize your CV on Input 2 only when a gate appears on Gate In 2. If you then remove the gate it won't quantize anything for 60'' unless you press Button 2 and button 6 simultaneously. That's it.
READYdot
Oooook, thanks for that. Now I'm having a lot of issues pairing the Quantizer to Mutables Edges, and I've already tried to tune it on spot.
I'll try to make a video to show what I mean.
kssm
I need help! This is a new question and it might be extremely simple to figure out: How can I tune all QUantized outputs to be in the same V/oct range?

I'm quantizing my 207 to a Dual 258J oscillator, both oscs have been previously trimmed and calibrated to 1V/Oct. I'm doing the simple setup procedure on the manual, I'm in keyboard mode and have the C note selected. Output 1 and 2 are going to both oscillators that are tuned to the same frequency.
When I press the keyboard buttons to play all notes in the scale, Output 2 gives out a different CV than Output 1.

This results in Osc 2 (which is hooked up to Output 2) to output C, D, Eb, F#, G, Ab, Bb.
I've plugged in Output 1 to the same Osc 2, and got a solid C, D, E, F, G, A, B.
I tried Output 3. Output 3 makes the same as Output 2: C, D, Eb, F#, G, Ab, Bb.
Output 4 does the same as Outputs 2 and 3.

I must be blindly missing something. How do I change the settings so that all Outputs are giving out the same CV?
READYdot
^ I do actually have the same problem. I have tried to go through the TUNING procedure, but that yielded some strange results, I had to retune the previous output everytime. And still then in Keyboard mode things were off by half a tone on some notes.
kssm
I'm sorry to hear you're having this issue as well.

I'm suspecting that I don't know how to fine tune it correctly, and I don't see a "factory reset" option anywhere on the manual.

I've also tried multiple presses of + or - to fine tune, and am getting results that I don't actually understand. I've gotten different variations but at least one note will be a semitone off and throw every sequence to a sour note..

I'm going to research this a bit more, but Andre if you can chime in I'd greatly appreciate it!!
READYdot
And I really hate it when my precious time is more consumed by trying to understand and configure things then making actual music...
READYdot
Checked: Button 1 with Key/Octave at F5 gives 2,436V and not 4V as stated in the manual...
tiny333
READYdot wrote:
Checked: Button 1 with Key/Octave at F5 gives 2,436V and not 4V as stated in the manual...


Ahhh well thats no good is it

hmmm.....

Maybe if u sold me your seq it would work better

Sell it

No one in wales needs one

Looook into my eyeeessss
kssm
READYdot I've checked mine too, Output 1 gives 3.03V, Output 2-4 gives 3.45V.

I managed to get all outputs to be in tune with eachother, but I still have problems with it reverting back to the strange off semitones in Keyboard mode. I have to spend way too much time tuning it right before using it, and so far it is not as intuitive as I thought it would be.
After I tuned it correctly, I noticed that it is very glitchy with my Klee sequencer, and doesn't follow voltages very well. The Klee worked fine with the uScale though so I think I may now be having some voltage compatibility issues with these two together.

It's extremely frustrating actually and my head exploded a few times already..
kssm
Quote:

Checked: Button 1 with Key/Octave at F5 gives 2,436V and not 4V as stated in the manual...


On all outputs?
READYdot
It is totally frustrating, I can't figure out what the hell is going wrong. Spent the last 3 night sessions trying to get this right... no chance...
Paranormal Patroler
What seems to be the matter?
READYdot
Can't tune it propperly. very frustrating
Strange unexplicable behaviour, as soon as I connect the second CV out, it somehow changes the tuning for about half a tone...
Paranormal Patroler
Have you changed the tunings of 2,3,4 in any way? Except from programming different types of "distances" from CV1 you can also tune into microtonal etc. So if you haven't changed those parameters it might be possible to retune it into more familiar territory.
kssm
READYdot, I had a similar tuning issue with mine and it took me a while but I figure it out.

I kept getting shifted semitones on Outputs 2-4 when in Keyboard mode. Like Paranormal Patroler said and I think that you've already done before, play around with the intervals from CV1 again.
I pressed the set key button for about 5 seconds and let it all reset. Then, shifted the intervals to 3 or 5, then back to 1, and after repeating this a couple of times, managed to get the same output voltages on all four outputs. I'm convinced that I shouldn't have to repeat this numerous times before it really sets to "1", but I saved it to non-votatile memory and now it is at this interval every time I power it down. When I want to change it, I change it while playing.

If it's the FINE tuning that is giving you the problem, I can't really help you since there is no visual readout of the fine tune, and I'm not sure what voltages you're getting/ or how to re-tune it.

Good luck and I hope you get to move on with that issue!
READYdot
I tuned every output so that the voltmeter reads 4V when C5 is playing, right or wrong? Will have to do babysteps, to get to the solution.
Paranormal Patroler
kssm wrote:
but I saved it to non-votatile memory and now it is at this interval every time I power it down. When I want to change it, I change it while playing.


You can save different instances on other User Presets if you want.
hangars liquides
Thank you guys for the feedback. I was hyper excited of getting the intuitive quantizer, and I must admit that some posts here are making me hesitate between buying this piece of gear and... a µscaleV2 plus a toppobrillo quantimator.
Those of you who have had issues (tuning, triggering)... have you made any progress or are you still struggling ?
READYdot
Ok, after some long session, I finally discovered the issue: When going into Tuning you can choose 1.2v/oct Buchla and classical 1v/oct. But the manual gets it wrong: Off is Buchla and on is normal.
The problem with the gate is that it has to be a gate. So you have to configure the gate of Pamela to be open for the time of the note hold.
But still there seems to be some strange behaviours... but maybe it's me...
tiny333
Glad its starting to make sense ready

Out of interest

Does the ER 101 not output quantized notes ?

Thanks coz im oretty sure im getting one

hihi
READYdot
The ER-101 is not yet in da houze! But yes it does.

Another problem that I had to solve is that I was using MI Edges with the 207 and you need to calibrate the v/oct inputs first... razz
tiny333
🐟🐟🐟🐟🐟

Brian will have new ones in Nov

Sorry thats why i thought u were from wales ... Only three went out and one went too wales

Its my next buy

U hear that paranormal !!!! ( he said some other things did that )
Not sure they doo

Sorry back to the 207

thumbs up
READYdot
I have already pre-ordered my ER101 so it will most certainly as he said go out at the end of the month!!

Yep, back to the 207
spitznagl
I can attest that ER-101 is fantastic, but I've been looking at the 207 for a while. It could be a good companion to the ER-101 for arpeggio duty amongst other things.

I'm surprised by all the complains about the 207. I have three Addac modules (206, 701 and 802) and they are all amazing. Could the problem just be that the 207 has too many functions in such a small interface, is there not enough (clear) documentation or are some functions really not working properly?

I'm fine with a long learning curve if the module is worth the effort. Mungo's stuff would be a good example.
Paranormal Patroler
tiny333 wrote:


U hear that paranormal !!!! ( he said some other things did that )
Not sure they doo

Sorry back to the 207

thumbs up


Metropolis outputs quantized cv as well, so there you have it.
Paranormal Patroler
Oh and most functions of the 207 are indeed intuitive after the first round. It's just that it's packed and can go really really deep if you want. I mean, you can tune the thing in microtonal for christs sake. I'm willing to bet that not one of all the users that had a problem has read through the part of the manual with the tuning/cv tables. Im not saying that there haven't been some justified problems, but most cases are rtfm issues. Still, its a big manual and it still has problems, it's far from perfect even on the second revision.
spitznagl
Sounds good enough to me and it's back at the top of my list. Thanks!
clusterchord
DrBerndtHoffmann wrote:
Audio Dependent wrote:
Any first reactions from the beta owners?


My unit seems to be A-OK. Indeed it's exactly what my system/style has needed. It's great for poly-rhythms and generative stuff and pairs very well with some of my favourite modules - the Z8000, Timetable, RCD, Wogglebug and WMD PDO (in quad LFO mode).

Here's a couple of tracks where it plays a central role:
[s]http://soundcloud.com/drberndthoffmann/raindrops[/s]
Link: https://soundcloud.com/drberndthoffmann/raindrops

[s]http://soundcloud.com/drberndthoffmann/beltway-2024[/s]
Link: https://soundcloud.com/drberndthoffmann/beltway-2024



raindrops - beautiful, mesmerising track... it's just what i hoped one could do with 207 and microtunings.. thumbs up

beltway is also fantastic. so organic/alive.

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alas, then i went reading thruout to the end of the thread,,,whew so many problems with tuning/setting up,,, it scared me off quite a little bit hmmm.....


bloop wrote:
I have problem when using more than 1 of the 4 quantizers. Only quantizer 1 works fine (even with Sub Phatty, SH-1000 and SEM).

Now I am waiting for a replacement module.


question for you if i may, and for READYdot & kssm:

did you guys manage to solve the issues with outputs 2 - 4, or are they still bugging you?

on paper this is a dream come true quantizer - i planned to use it in my gig setup and was about to order it.. so i still hope it can be setup to work quickly and accurately, without hooking up a multimeter or oscilloscope every time zombie now that would be no good..


thanks
Paranormal Patroler
No need to worry, you got ADDAC's fine support for your troubleshooting issues. If any of those come up.
READYdot
Well, I think I have solved the issues on my own, without going the technical support way. Most of the problems came from how I used the 207. When everything's set up, it's a beauty to work with. Editing is quite intuitive if you remember the different menus and you can have a lot fun. But I'll have to use it more and for the time being I have not a lot of time to dig and try out... so the final words are not spoken for the 207 in my rack.
kssm
Paranormal Patroler wrote:

Quote:
You can save different instances on other User Presets if you want.

Quote:
kssm wrote:
but I saved it to non-votatile memory and now it is at this interval every time I power it down. When I want to change it, I change it while playing.


Yes, thanks Paranormal Patroler.
To clarify for other readers of this thread: Different instances of Notes 2/3/4 (intervals) can be saved to User Presets, but not to be confused with Fine Tunings.
Fine Tunings can only be saved to Main Memory. What I meant in my original quote was not intervals, but the Fine Tuning after I did a Tuning Reset.

ReadyDOT:

Quote:
Ok, after some long session, I finally discovered the issue: When going into Tuning you can choose 1.2v/oct Buchla and classical 1v/oct. But the manual gets it wrong: Off is Buchla and on is normal.


Is this true for all modules, not just yours?
I'll look again tomorrow on mine, since it's easy to check that...
Paranormal Patroler
kssm wrote:
Paranormal Patroler wrote:

Quote:
You can save different instances on other User Presets if you want.

Quote:
kssm wrote:
but I saved it to non-votatile memory and now it is at this interval every time I power it down. When I want to change it, I change it while playing.


Yes, thanks Paranormal Patroler.
To clarify for other readers of this thread: Different instances of Notes 2/3/4 (intervals) can be saved to User Presets, but not to be confused with Fine Tunings.
Fine Tunings can only be saved to Main Memory. What I meant in my original quote was not intervals, but the Fine Tuning after I did a Tuning Reset.


Ah sorry, I didn't get it at first. d'oh! Thanks for clarifying that.
Thulo
After a couple of moths of fiddling with this module i got the turing machine today and decided to use 3 sequencers for the inputs.
After a lot of tuning and calibration of the different osc's i got it sounding really really good.
However i cant get the different gate inputs to work.
Sometimes they trigger and sometimes not. It feels like the module is choking, gets to much data to handle, or just the wrong kind of gates/triggers (tried from scm, rcd, moskwa, rené, maths and peg) They all work when only running one input.

Normally i just run one sequence in with gate and have the 207 do the shifting and chord structure. That really works great.
kssm
Thulo I would try emailing ADDAC about this or post on this thread since ADDAC has replied there recently.
https://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=91602&postdays=0&pos torder=asc&start=10
tiny333
So what are the gate ins for anyway ?

I send it a seq it quantizes it.... Under what conditions would i need to use the gate ins ?

Just asking

.....
Paranormal Patroler
tiny333 wrote:
So what are the gate ins for anyway ?

I send it a seq it quantizes it.... Under what conditions would i need to use the gate ins ?

Just asking

.....



Maybe you don't want your sequence to quantize with every step the sequencer takes. Maybe you want the other 3 outputs to play notes on different rhythms. Maybe fugues!
tiny333
U just love a fugues ...

Well i have a solid week of playing with a 207 in front of me

Nice !

thumbs up
Paranormal Patroler
tiny333 wrote:
U just love a fugues ...


If all goes well you'll know how much I love fugues. hihi
tiny333
Im sure it will

I look forward to it

U may have to explain what a fuguue

Is

At some point

I think it has something to do with oboes

hihi
Paranormal Patroler
tiny333
That is mind blowing

What makes it a fugue ?

And u intend to program this kinda stuff on a modular ?

Maybe you need a orthagonal er 101 as well smile
flo
Paranormal Patroler wrote:
tiny333 wrote:
So what are the gate ins for anyway ?

I send it a seq it quantizes it.... Under what conditions would i need to use the gate ins ?

Just asking

.....



Maybe you don't want your sequence to quantize with every step the sequencer takes. Maybe you want the other 3 outputs to play notes on different rhythms. Maybe fugues!


Or if you want to quantize a "moving" source like an LFO or an EG... Without a gate input, you need an S/H before the quantizer to do that properly...
n0rd
After reading this thread, I'm interested in what the processing time (quantization) of the ADDAC207 is.
flo
^ Yes interested in that as well - though I never noticed it on the Quantimator...
Royalston
im wondering - in the transpose input, can the transpose be pre-quantiser, ie. to keep with the current key, or is it fixed to change the overall key?
clusterchord
n0rd wrote:
After reading this thread, I'm interested in what the processing time (quantization) of the ADDAC207 is.


+1

million dollar question for me as well.

Toppo seems to have gotten a chip upgrade to go from 4ms to under 500us, but i want the 4 ch. of addac ..
tiny333
I dont know the actual numbers but i can tell you its very fast

I have had no issues with this .. Maybe Andre will chip in

thumbs up
ADDAC System
Hi!
The processing time of the ADDAC207 is less 1 millisecond or 0.001seconds.

All the Best
Addac Team

Edit: Ups hmmm..... got carried away with the zeros, I meant 0.001.
clusterchord
ADDAC System wrote:
Hi!
The processing time of the ADDAC207 is less 1 millisecond or 0.0001seconds.

All the Best
Addac Team


thanks, you mean it's 100 microseconds? woah


that's by far the shortest quantize processing delay in euro ..
elemental
I reallly like this quantizer... still getting my head round things like saving presets and stuff, but one of the things I am really interested in is the different temperaments it offers.

There is not a lot of info about them in the manual. I would really like to have a table of note values and frequencies for the tuning systems other than equal temperament. This way I can match them in Aalto which has a configurable tuning system, and also with acoustic instruments.

For instance, with the Well Tuned system it should be based around a root note, but its not clear which is the root note..

It would really be amazing if we could somehow customise or import new tuning tables.

I am surprised that its hard to do this kind of thing in the modular world.
elemental
this has been asked before and yes it can... one if its strong points!

Royalston wrote:
im wondering - in the transpose input, can the transpose be pre-quantiser, ie. to keep with the current key, or is it fixed to change the overall key?
tiny333
The er 101 has voltage tables....
elemental
Can it also be used as a quantizer for external voltages?

tiny333 wrote:
The er 101 has voltage tables....
tiny333
Nop

But what you are asking does not sound too far fetched .... Maybe an update at some time...

thumbs up
elemental
I see the ER 101 has only digital inputs ... would need an expander for analog inputs too. ER 101 looks very interesting on its own too, and to be able to quantise external voltages could truly make it the heart of your system..
tiny333
Mm i meant update to the 207 ... It must be fairly easy to add different tunings....

Tho where are you getting these voltages from anyway ?

To add that to the er101 would be a whole other operation i guess

BOTH !! smile

Rockin' Banana!
elemental
I am looking for a way to get some unusual / custom tuning temperament with multiple sources, e.g. modular - analog sequencer and wogglebug, and also soft synths....

e.g. if I have a live instrument that has a certain tuning then I could potentially tune my synths to match.

If Addac would open it up so I could load/edit tuning tables would be amazing.... that I could also use with Aalto for example... this is what I'm really looking for.
tiny333
Interesting smile

You could clock the er101 from the bug ...

Can the addac modular computer be programmed to do this ?
Beyond me but it might

hmmm.....
tiny333
Also if u had an o tool or something you could measure the voltage output
Of the 207

A normal tuner would help a bit

I would have thought with a way to measure the voltage/ note
That there is enough in the 207 to keep you happy for some time

The 101 works very well with its voltage tables .... Have a peek at the manual

All the best

thumbs up
Paranormal Patroler
Modular system are inherently fretless, so you can tune your sequencers any way you like? Get an STG Graphic Sequencer or any non-tempered sequencer and you're set.

You can also change temperaments on the ADDAC207. There's info in the manual about it. hmmm.....
elemental
Paranormal Patroler wrote:
Modular system are inherently fretless, so you can tune your sequencers any way you like? Get an STG Graphic Sequencer or any non-tempered sequencer and you're set.

You can also change temperaments on the ADDAC207. There's info in the manual about it. hmmm.....


I have a Doepfer A-155/154 combo - and the 207 - thats one of the reasons I wanted a new quantizer. The 207 does offer 4 different temperaments but they are not very well documented. The manual just says the name of the different temperaments. What I want is either specific note-to-frequency tables or sets of ratios, such as what you find in Scala format .scl files.
rasseru
mine has just arrived!

such a sexy looking module love


need another case to put all my new bits on
GaryInHuaHin
[quote="elemental"]
Paranormal Patroler wrote:
What I want is either specific note-to-frequency tables or sets of ratios, such as what you find in Scala format .scl files.


That would indeed be awesomely useful. Sounds like a very major update, though, almost a new product.

Not that I'm against new products...
corex
I've been looking at this module recently and it seems to have a lot going for it. Currently I use a uScale for quantizing. One feature that I use a lot is the "scale select" mode, and I'm curious if the 207 has a similar feature. I read through the manual quickly and didn't find it, but this module is fairly complex so maybe I just missed it while skimming.

On the uScale, I clear out a bank. I then create and store four scales. Then I enter scale select mode. I use my Pressure Points to send an offset voltage to the Shift input, which allows me to assign a different scale to each pad on the Pressure Points and so now I can use the Pressure Points to drive a chord progression. Can this be accomplished with the 207?
JosefK
corex
The 207 can only play one scale at a time from what I can tell. There is an assignable trigger in and this can control 8 different menu functions including things like transposing all voices, transposing certain voices, gate lengths, and quantization types.
__ag
Hello everyone!

I was posting in another Quantizer thread and thought of posting this here as well. As some of you may know we announced a firmware update user guide:
http://addacsystem.com/firmwares/ADDAC207_FirmwareGuide.pdf

Some users already did the upgrade and are now experiencing a healthy 207!

For those with a PC the process will be just as described in the pdf, it's a straight forward process and there's just no simpler way to do it.

For those on a Mac, after some further research, i finished an App that will take care of everything for you, just install the Arduino App first, follow the guide to connect the Usb-serial adapter pins to the module and run the App, it will guide you through the rest of the process.
This avoids all the Terminal "scary" steps!

You can download the App from here:
http://www.addacsystem.com/firmwares/ADDAC207_FIRMWARE.zip


Regarding USB-Serial adapters, we just got this one the other day, took a few weeks to arrive but it works perfectly:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/251336804760?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksi d=p3984.m1439.l2649

if in a hurry these ship from the US:
https://www.sparkfun.com/products/9716

And these in the EU:
http://www.inmotion.pt/store/ftdi-basic-breakout-5v

We're also planning in stocking these at low cost in a near future!

Hope this makes it easier for the Mac users!

If you simply don't want to go through the guide, we're also available to upgrade the firmware ourselves or through a distributor, contact us if this is the case!

all the very best
andre
kssm
That's great news! I'll get to this as soon as I can since I have experienced such things like Gate Outs not outputting gates periodically or the V/Oct setting not saving upon power cycles.
Are there any specific features or performances that are upgraded by this new firmware?
bobbcorr
Is everything good to go in 207 land these days? I'm building a new rack and would like to consider this quantizer for purchase. Merci beaucoup!
kineticturtle
Seconding that question! The quantizer I have isn't cutting it for my purposes.
NS4W
The manual does not reflect the latest changes. So the module seems a bit in limbo at the moment...
Hirsbro
NS4W wrote:
The manual does not reflect the latest changes. So the module seems a bit in limbo at the moment...


Indeed sad banana
SlyFrank
I just noticed that the 207 is now available at Analogue Haven. It says it is shipping with the latest firmware as of November 30th, although not sure if that's a new firmware or the one that they were using to update these modules a few months ago.

Anyway, I've been interested in this quantizer for some time, but steered clear due to firmware issues, and then due to non-availabilty (although perhaps they were always available direct from ADDAC).

It appears that no matter what this new firmware is, the manual is probably not entirely up-to-date. My main question for current users is about the alternate scale modes, specifically just intonation and the La Monte Young scale (I've been playing around with the La Monte Young scale for months now in software - I've been wishing for a quantizer solution so as to avoid having to go the software route). So, do these alternate tunings work? Any caveats? Issues? If they work as advertised I'm about to pull the trigger on this.
cinnamonjuly
We have some 207's on their way to us. Andre says all firmware issues are sorted. They're available pre order on our site.
NS4W
cinnamonjuly wrote:
We have some 207's on their way to us. Andre says all firmware issues are sorted. They're available pre order on our site.


What firmware number is that and do you have an updated manual for it? If not your modules functions might not be reflected correctly in the current publicly available manual.
fourhexagons
So I got a 207 applause
All was straight up banana split nanners

Until this started happening zombie

When all lights were lit, C and C# would rapidly flash. I thought it to be a power issue so I took every module out of my case and plugged it in alone. This changed nothing.
So I then plugged in a few modules and it sounded nice, so I recorded it. seriously, i just don't get it
Here it is to enjoy, but more importantly can any experienced wigglers – or at least those experienced with the 207 meh tell me what's going on?



Am I just in some mode that I have yet to learn about? I surely hope so. I mean – it's not faulty, is it?

Thanks so much.

[EDIT: I just noticed that there's a sync issue with the video. That is, the plucked notes should align with René. But you get the point.]
fourhexagons
The previous video isn't very clear at demonstrating/describing the issues I'm experiencing with my ADDAC 207.

Here's a demo video with some voiceover to make it much clearer:



Any help is very much appreciated.

Additionally, I've gone through each menu function to reset to the defaults, so I'm pretty confident now that it's not user error. meh
SlyFrank
Hey - I recently got the 207 and experience both the things you do:

1) The 207 definitely has trouble sometimes deciding on which note to go to, although I only find this with stepped outputs, say from a S&H, but not with smooth CVs, say from a LFO. Someone once commented a while back on some thread that the 207 quantizes voltages extremely rapidly, which according to him is why this happens. Not sure if that's the case or not, just relaying what he said.

At any rate, what I do is to use the gate input almost always with stepped (constant) voltages. Problem solved for me, although one would think that this shouldn't be necessary.

2) I might have very good news for you on this one (I hope). All my oscillators track just fine with the 207, but when I use my 2 Cwejman VCO-6s, they are way off, not even close - flat. And my VCO-6s track extremely well with anything else - very stable tracking. I could not figure this out as the 207 obviously quantizes in tune as evidenced by the great tracking with my other oscillators. And clearly there's nothing wrong with my VCO-6s.

After a day of not being able to figure this out I thought to run the output of the 207 into a buffered mult, and then out to the VCO-6s. All fixed!

So, for some reason, with only some oscillators apparently, there is something in the output of the 207 that is fixed by a buffered mult.

Try it - I hope it works for you! It fixed mine completely. And with my other oscillators this is not necessary at all. Only the VCO-6s. Strange, but it's an easy fix if it works for you.

So, despite these weird quirks, I am loving my 207.
fourhexagons
Thanks for the help, SlyFrank! That's great that a buffered mult fixed it for you. Unfortunately my mults are all passive, so I can't test with my setup, but I did receive a response from Andre via email that totally fixed it. It turns out it was user error and that I had overlooked an important menu function.

seriously, i just don't get it

So here it is, Fine Tuning.

After tuning your oscillators, send some changing voltage to one of the quantizer channels and notice if it's in tune across the resulting range. If not, then tune it up as described in the video below. Done. Awesome.

thumbs up



As for the glitchy behavior, Andre informed me that a new firmware update has just been posted that addresses this behavior.

nanners

I look forward to checking that out once I obtain the required serial to USB adapter board and required jumper wires. It doesn't look like Analogue Haven has any of these, so I'm hoping that I can just order one directly from ADDAC and that it's small and light enough that the shipping is reasonable.
fourhexagons
So with tuning and glitching out of the way, we can now address the other issue I'm having setting the interval offset between voice 1 & 2. The interval offset appears to function properly when in keyboard mode, but not when in quantizer mode.

Check it out:



Anybody? seriously, i just don't get it
SlyFrank
Awesome, I'm glad Andre was so helpful with this. Yeah, I knew about the fine-tuning procedure, and I'll probably do that with every one of the 4 channels dedicated to a particular oscillator at some point. I didn't do it yet since so far it seems to track everything quite well (once I figured out the buffered mult trick with the VCO-6). Actually, I don't think my VCO-6 issue can be fixed by fine tuning. It's way way off, but tracks very well with anything else. I think that the VCO-6 doesn't like something in the 207's output but, whatever, the buffered mult fixes it perfectly.

Oh, and thanks so much for the info about the new firmware update. It'll be nice not to have to always plug in a gate to fix it. Only bummer is getting that little hardware thing to fix it. Like you, I'm hoping I can just order it from ADDAC, as I can be sure that it'll work, unlike eBay, where I have no idea. If you get one from eBay please post here to say which one - I have no clue about this stuff.

As for your interval issue, I have yet to use that feature, but I always figured it would work by only using a CV in to channel 1. You seem to be inputting two CVs - into channels 1 & 2. At least that's always how I envisioned it working. I'll have to check it out tomorrow.
fourhexagons
Ah, yeah SlyFrank. Thanks again. I'll post here once I sort it all out, the kit, the intervals.

But yeah, I hear you about not having to gate it to get a clean quantize. zombie It'll be nice once the update has been loaded.

As for the intervals, I'm glad you brought that up. I had forgotten to mention that Ch1 doesn't pass on any CV to Ch2. Without having CV specifically sent to Ch2, the VCO coming out of Ch2 would just drone.

Thanks for looking into your setup. We'll see how it all turns out. Catch you again soon.
SlyFrank
fourhexagons wrote:
I had forgotten to mention that Ch1 doesn't pass on any CV to Ch2. Without having CV specifically sent to Ch2, the VCO coming out of Ch2 would just drone.


OK, yeah, so that's not it then. Although, I notice that you're inputting different CVs into the channels. One is quantized and the other is not (I don't have a Rene, but I think that's what those outputs are. If that's the case I would think they would be too far off from each other to give reliable results). I'd mult the quantized pitch CV into both 1 & 2 (but you don't have a buffered mult, so forget that)...or use two quantized pitch CVs, if you have two. I dunno, I'm only speculating anyway - I have never checked the interval feature out - I'll have to check it out for myself. I'd do it now, but I woke up today with a nasty cold and am not quite up for exploring this tonight. Dead Banana Tomorrow most likely.

Oh, and as for updating the firmware, I know folks had a fair bit of trouble trying to update their 207s a year or so ago when Andre put out the last update (which I imagine is the one that ours shipped with, as they're the new batch). Hopefully we'll figure it out. I'm actually quite surprised that this wasn't caught before shipping. So much was made of the initial firmware being faulty that after all this time I'd think they would've easily caught this - I noticed it within the first few minutes of playing with mine......
fourhexagons
SlyFrank wrote:
fourhexagons wrote:
I had forgotten to mention that Ch1 doesn't pass on any CV to Ch2. Without having CV specifically sent to Ch2, the VCO coming out of Ch2 would just drone.


OK, yeah, so that's not it then. Although, I notice that you're inputting different CVs into the channels. One is quantized and the other is not (I don't have a Rene, but I think that's what those outputs are. If that's the case I would think they would be too far off from each other to give reliable results). I'd mult the quantized pitch CV into both 1 & 2 (but you don't have a buffered mult, so forget that)...or use two quantized pitch CVs, if you have two. I dunno, I'm only speculating anyway - I have never checked the interval feature out - I'll have to check it out for myself. I'd do it now, but I woke up today with a nasty cold and am not quite up for exploring this tonight. Dead Banana Tomorrow most likely.

Oh, and as for updating the firmware, I know folks had a fair bit of trouble trying to update their 207s a year or so ago when Andre put out the last update (which I imagine is the one that ours shipped with, as they're the new batch). Hopefully we'll figure it out. I'm actually quite surprised that this wasn't caught before shipping. So much was made of the initial firmware being faulty that after all this time I'd think they would've easily caught this - I noticed it within the first few minutes of playing with mine......

Ah, I think it wasn't missed by them, and that they actually preferred the glitchy behavior. Andre said this in his email to me:

Quote:
“glitches” can indeed happen when the note you’re sending into the quantizer is very close to 2 notes you can try to tune the rene knob to a stable position. We kinda liked this behaviour and let it in because you can fine tune it if you don’t want it to happen or even tune it to respond like the video shows. Nevertheless this last week we released a new firmware that removes this behaviour. You can check it in the quantizer page.


So it's great that they released this fix for those of us who prefer not to have that behavior.

And yes, I hope we have an easy time at updating.

As for the pitch CV from René, you're probably right about why the 2nds are showing up when tuned to Unison. Sounds like I need to get a buffered mult, huh?

But it doesn't explain why the interval of the 6th didn't show up at all like a 6th, and continued to sound exactly the same as the unison setting.
So yeah. Hope you feel better soon. Get some rest & drink lots of fluids! Drinking ambulance
SlyFrank
That's good to hear about them not missing it. And I do agree that at times you can do some cool things with the glitches. In the end I'm not crazy about it, but one day I had some fun by exacerbating the glitches. When I first got the 207 and found this behavior, I figured it was not a bug, but just the way it worked, and if I didn't want it (which is most of the time), with gating it I could get rid of it. But I definitely want to update it now that they've come to the conclusion that it's not all that desirable for most people.

Anyway, I'll try to check out the interval thing tomorrow if I have time...and I'm feeling better Dead Banana

Cheers
SlyFrank
OK, sat down this afternoon and figured this interval thing out. It works fine. It will not work with a CV in both inputs 1 & 2. I imagine the inputs are normalled to each other, so putting in another cable into input 2 breaks the normal and both outputs 1 & 2 will quantize to the same note (assuming the CV is accurately duplicated/multed). I started out doing it your way, and could not figure out why it worked in keyboard mode, but not when switched to quantizing an external CV. So, only put a cable into input 1.

I started with a LFO, and not gating it. I did notice the glitching again. Annoying. I emailed ADDAC last night to see if they can mail me the upgrade kit - no word back yet. I also noticed that at first the output from #2 was just a low drone - no output voltage from the 207. But then it kicked in and worked fine. Especially when changing the interval type, now and then, the low unquantized drone would happen again, but after a few seconds would work fine again. Strange.

Then I started gating the inputs, due to the glitching driving me a bit nuts (gate inputs are also normalled to each other, so only need a single gate into input #1. Input #2 will respond to that gate too). Lovely, no glitching and no droning either. For some reason the gate input not only fixes the glitching, but also the occasional low drone of output #2.

Then I hooked up the random CV output of a S & H and at the same time used its gate out into the gate in of the 207. Worked perfectly. I guess I don't really mind having to use the gate in on this module to make it work the way I like, but I'm looking forward to doing the upgrade so the issue is gone completely.

Hope this helps Guinness ftw!

Edit: And the reason you're probably getting seconds now and then is because your 2 CVs from Rene are not quite together in voltage. When I used both inputs, my CV was duplicated exactly, and so got unison. So, if you have 2 inputs, they are both quantized separately (interval feature is off). And if the 2 voltages are occasionally a bit off, the output notes will also be a bit off (a second off, in your case).

Edit: And of course, just now re-reading the manual (it's been a while since I first read it), all this could've been found on page 9 Dead Banana
fourhexagons
SlyFrank wrote:
OK, sat down this afternoon and figured this interval thing out. It works fine. It will not work with a CV in both inputs 1 & 2. I imagine the inputs are normalled to each other, so putting in another cable into input 2 breaks the normal and both outputs 1 & 2 will quantize to the same note (assuming the CV is accurately duplicated/multed). I started out doing it your way, and could not figure out why it worked in keyboard mode, but not when switched to quantizing an external CV. So, only put a cable into input 1.

I started with a LFO, and not gating it. I did notice the glitching again. Annoying. I emailed ADDAC last night to see if they can mail me the upgrade kit - no word back yet. I also noticed that at first the output from #2 was just a low drone - no output voltage from the 207. But then it kicked in and worked fine. Especially when changing the interval type, now and then, the low unquantized drone would happen again, but after a few seconds would work fine again. Strange.

Then I started gating the inputs, due to the glitching driving me a bit nuts (gate inputs are also normalled to each other, so only need a single gate into input #1. Input #2 will respond to that gate too). Lovely, no glitching and no droning either. For some reason the gate input not only fixes the glitching, but also the occasional low drone of output #2.

Then I hooked up the random CV output of a S & H and at the same time used its gate out into the gate in of the 207. Worked perfectly. I guess I don't really mind having to use the gate in on this module to make it work the way I like, but I'm looking forward to doing the upgrade so the issue is gone completely.

Hope this helps Guinness ftw!

Edit: And the reason you're probably getting seconds now and then is because your 2 CVs from Rene are not quite together in voltage. When I used both inputs, my CV was duplicated exactly, and so got unison. So, if you have 2 inputs, they are both quantized separately (interval feature is off). And if the 2 voltages are occasionally a bit off, the output notes will also be a bit off (a second off, in your case).

Edit: And of course, just now re-reading the manual (it's been a while since I first read it), all this could've been found on page 9 Dead Banana

Oh, this is all super-helpful, SlyFrank! Thank you!
I'm putting my case back together tonight, so I'll test what you're talking about. Sounds like I just needed to be a bit more patient and wait the required 60 seconds for it to reset. d'oh!

I had read that part of the manual but didn't expect it to apply if no gates were ever used. Now knowing that's the case, then I'd expect that instead of waiting the required 60 seconds, once could just press Gate L (button 6) + the button corresponding to the voice to be reset. I'll be trying that out as well.

So yeah, thanks again.
fourhexagons
I've been troubleshooting the 207 Firmware update for the past hour and seem to have hit a roadblock. The updater prints an error: avrdude: stk500_recv(): programmer is not responding

I ordered the kit directly from ADDAC and I'm on OS X 10.11.2. In order to get the updater to recognize my FTDI, I had to follow the instructions here: https://learn.sparkfun.com/tutorials/how-to-install-ftdi-drivers/mac

After running the updater (with a recognized FTDI), I got this printout:

+ ------------------------------------------------------- +

#### ### ### #### ####
# # # # # # # # #
#### # # # # #### #
# # # # # # # # #
# # ### ### # # ####

#### # # #### ##### #### ### ###
# # # # # # # # #
#### #### #### # ## # # #
# # # # # # # #
#### #### #### # #### # # #

+ ------------------------------------------------------- +

ADDAC207 Firmware Update . version : K1

USB-Serial Device Found: /dev/tty.usbserial-A50285BI

+ ------------------------------------------------------- +

Starting Check List:
Double Checked connections!
Initializing the upgrade process:
Burning new Firmware!
(USB-Serial Board Leds should be blinking by now)

+ ------------------------------------------------------- +

avrdude: stk500_recv(): programmer is not responding

avrdude done. Thank you.


+ ------------------------------------------------------- +

All Done!
Happy Patching!

+ ----------------------------------- + ADDAC System.2016 +


---

Notice that I'm getting:

avrdude: stk500_recv(): programmer is not responding

Does this mean that the update didn't work?

I should note that the USB-Serial Board LEDs did NOT blink as specified. My jumpers are connected properly – GND-GND, RX-TX, TX-RX.

Anybody know what's up?
fourhexagons
I emailed Andre about this and we sorted it out with a photo. It turns out that the serial adapter I got from them (the first one pictured on page 2 of the update guide) has the order of the pins reversed from the one labeled in the update guide.

That is, the guide shows this:



And mine was this:



d'oh!

In the above photo, it's easier to see the pin labels, but on mine (and in the mood lighting I tend to have) it was much more difficult to see.

oops

So problem solved. My 207 is now updated. Now it's time to actually check it out and test the behavior without gating.
fourhexagons
Hey Andre,

Have you ever considered adding an additional assign input function to the 207? It would be a very powerful addition to use one of the unused buttons (12 maybe?) to allow the assign input to switch between presets. This could allow the user to create complex chord/scale progressions/arrangements. Imagine the possibilities!

This is fun!

Truth be told, I had actually assumed that this was a built-in function of the 207 when I had purchased it. Of course, I hadn't read the manual closely enough to realize that it had been overlooked/omitted. That said, if this is something that the 207 could do, it would really open up some creative arrangement possibilities, especially for generative approaches.



And in other news, the firmware update seems to have softened the glitch behavior I had previously mentioned. Again, truthfully I just find myself gating the S&H so as to get a super-clean and never-glitched result. Plus, it's a great way to send the same CV to the 207, but get different melodic results by sending different rhythmic gates/triggers. The fact that the 207 has 4 channels of gate-ins is really amazing and probably one of my favorite features.

Lastly, for what it's worth, here's my latest patch using the 207 to play the melody (via Batumi's Verhulst Random) on the percussion part played by Elements. The 207 is hidden on the far left under all the cables. Next to it is a 301 Floor Control used to have expression pedal control over the volume of the lead voice after the filter and before the delay. Full patch notes in the video description.

bgerkes
I just noticed that there is this big 207 thread, where I posted my questions on the main ADDAC forum. So I copy the text here since I am really looking for some good advice. Otherwise I have to return the 207 module I just purchased last week.

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1.
When putting for instance an LFO CV signal into input one, the quantizer is (when only the C key is "on") going through a range of 4 or 5 C's. Is there a function to clamp the range of the incoming CV signal to a defined set of octaves, like just one octave? Or should the CV signal from the LFO (spitting out 0-5V) be processed to 0-1V *outside* the 207? If so, what module could do that?

2. The main problem: I can not get quantizer channels 2-4 play different notes than the one(s) set for channel 1. As a test I do this:
– I tuned two oscillators as described in the manual.
– A CV signal is going into channel input 1.
– I set channel 1 to play a C (in for instance a Major C scale)
And from here it goed wrong:
– I press button 2 for a second and select for instance an "E" for the second quantizer output and press it again to confirm, the 207 returns to quantizer mode. (I check again by pressing button 2 again for a second, and yes, the E key is lit up, where the C key is lit up for channel 1).
As I understand it, the manual states that the two outputs should play a C and E respectively now and that is what I want of course. But they do not: both oscillators still only produces Cs. The same happens when setting different notes for channels 3 and 4.

I can not get my head around this. Am I doing something wrong?

Any help would be highly appreciated! Thanks, Boele
Thulo
1. Use an attenuator.

2. Output 1 does not have an offset in the scale only 2-4 has and they refer to the pitch of output 1.
What scale are you using? If only C is selected in the scale then all outputs will play C.
Summa
did you read the manual?
schege
I just purchased a new 207 and waiting for it I hope I will not get the same problems like bgerkes described. "The new firmware solved all problems" Andre told me at Sooperbooth. I hope thats true, cause I had the 207 already 3 years ago and it was full of bugs so I gave it back to Schneiders.

bgerkes described it very precisly, he wants an offset for channels 2-4 not for channel 1. He says: I set channel 1 to play a C (in for instance a Major C scale). So it's totally clear in what scal he is in.

In the manual the procedure to set offsets for channel 2-4 is described like bgerkes proceed correctly. The question is now does it work or not. Someone experienced the same problems?
schege
@ fourhexagons: What a great track! (Social Contours)
Could be a tribute to Terry Riley.
hdd
I'm really interested to replace my µscale by this one, as the trigger generation interesting me ...
But wondering, is the switch major to minor can only be done manually ?
fourhexagons
schege wrote:
@ fourhexagons: What a great track! (Social Contours)
Could be a tribute to Terry Riley.


Woah, thanks schege!
fourhexagons
hdd wrote:
I'm really interested to replace my µscale by this one, as the trigger generation interesting me ...
But wondering, is the switch major to minor can only be done manually ?

The switch automatically changes the lit LEDs that select the notes in a scale. But you can manually select the notes and save them as a scale preset to be recalled later.

My former gripe is that those scale presets cannot be programmatically selected via the 'assign' CV input in the way that the uScale uses the transpose input. You can, however, select transpose as an option for the assign input. See my previous post on the assign input for more detail on this.
tylrprtr
fourhexagons wrote:
Thanks for the help, SlyFrank! That's great that a buffered mult fixed it for you. Unfortunately my mults are all passive, so I can't test with my setup, but I did receive a response from Andre via email that totally fixed it. It turns out it was user error and that I had overlooked an important menu function.

seriously, i just don't get it

So here it is, Fine Tuning.

After tuning your oscillators, send some changing voltage to one of the quantizer channels and notice if it's in tune across the resulting range. If not, then tune it up as described in the video below. Done. Awesome.

thumbs up




Hah! I was having this SAME issue (with the exact same ADDAC 207 in this video since I just bought it from you).

After some menu diving and a good read and reread of the manual, I figured this out on my own. How funny that you had the same issue I was having.

I had racked it up and plugged in a sequence, listened and though, "Wow I guess fourhexagons was doing some microtonal experiments before he sent me this quantizer..." But when I did a reset, this behavior persisted so I dove back into the manual.
fourhexagons
tylrprtr wrote:
fourhexagons wrote:
Thanks for the help, SlyFrank! That's great that a buffered mult fixed it for you. Unfortunately my mults are all passive, so I can't test with my setup, but I did receive a response from Andre via email that totally fixed it. It turns out it was user error and that I had overlooked an important menu function.

seriously, i just don't get it

So here it is, Fine Tuning.

After tuning your oscillators, send some changing voltage to one of the quantizer channels and notice if it's in tune across the resulting range. If not, then tune it up as described in the video below. Done. Awesome.

thumbs up




Hah! I was having this SAME issue (with the exact same ADDAC 207 in this video since I just bought it from you).

After some menu diving and a good read and reread of the manual, I figured this out on my own. How funny that you had the same issue I was having.

I had racked it up and plugged in a sequence, listened and though, "Wow I guess fourhexagons was doing some microtonal experiments before he sent me this quantizer..." But when I did a reset, this behavior persisted so I dove back into the manual.


Ha! Oh man, Tyler. That's funny.

But yeah, that's one of the quirks of this module. There's just so much in it, that if you don't have it configured just right, it can appear to be broken. But yeah, the fine tuning is really great to dial it in just right for whatever sound source you're using.
Hirsbro


mine is disregarding the weather the gate in jack is plugged or not, it starts firing off gates when 60 sec gone if it has no gate signal received in that time even with a jack inserted into the gate in plug help cry d'oh!

My firmware is K1 I believe its the latest hmmm.....

It is really annoying.. cos everything els seems to be working as it finally should (had the 207 for years now)
SlyFrank
I was poking around on ADDAC's website just now and noticed that there appears to be another firmware update to the 207 named K_2 with a release date of November 9, 2016. I didn't know about this and I'm assuming it's a newer firmware than the one Andre posted in February 2016 (I upgraded to that). So I guess this is a newer one? It doesn't give any info and there's nothing that I can see that explains what is different in this update.

Anyone know? If not I'll email Andre.

Thanks
Summa
Last time I talked to André he told me he was making a new update of the firmware of the 207 addressing some of the last issues people had with the earlier revisions. The manual for updating is also dated November 2016 so it's explaining the different ways of updating the modules firmware.
SlyFrank
OK, thanks. Yeah, I noticed that there is a new firmware upgrade guide dated November 2016 too, and it seems to be a bit different than the last guide.

Still interested to know exactly what's in this upgrade and what it addresses. I emailed Andre so hopefully he can give me some info. FWIW, after I upgraded to the last firmware in February my 207 has been working fine. Although without incoming gates, it can still be just a little glitchy, but it's overall a great quantizer, I love it, and I usually use the gate ins anyway.
SlyFrank
I heard back from Andre and there is a new firmware for the 207 as of today on the ADDAC website. K_3. He says: These last updates have a much more precise input analysis, making it more
stable tracking incoming cvs.
NoobOlar
I can't find this anywhere in stock in UK. Not in a couple of EU stores I know of.
Damn I guess I'm going to have to find an alternative
Summa
NoobOlar wrote:
I can't find this anywhere in stock in UK. Not in a couple of EU stores I know of.
Damn I guess I'm going to have to find an alternative


Just order straight from Addac..

Addac order
bitbin
Howdy everyone - can anyone tell me how the quantiser now works with the latest firmware? Has all issues been sorted out? Im thinking of getting one but after checking out this thread I'm in two minds!

Also - what are the benefits of having this over a Quantimator except for generating independent gates.
SlyFrank
bitbin wrote:
Howdy everyone - can anyone tell me how the quantiser now works with the latest firmware? Has all issues been sorted out? Im thinking of getting one but after checking out this thread I'm in two minds!

Also - what are the benefits of having this over a Quantimator except for generating independent gates.


Hi - I updated mine to the latest firmware posted last December - K3, I believe. I really like this quantizer, and most issues have been sorted out, but there are still two things that I feel are not quite right:

1) I almost always want to (and so I do) use gate ins, since I want to time my quantization events, not have it free running to no tempo or no timed pattern. So this issue does not really affect me, but just so you know, and others may have different experiences than me, but I still find that without gate ins this quantizer glitches a bit back and forth between adjacent notes. I have also been told that ADDAC does not really consider this to be a bug, and that they kind of like this behavior, creating trills, but I'm not sure if that's true or not - just what I heard from someone on Muffs somewhere. I personally don't like it, but again, it's pretty much a non-issue with me as I like to use gate ins, which negates the problem entirely. I'd be interested to hear if others experience this...

2) I find with my unit that transposing is very difficult due to the incredibly precise voltage values expected in Transpose in. If the incoming voltage is not exactly right, it will go back and forth between two adjacent scales. Just the other day I did an experiment which actually worked very well, but is not how I envision how this should work. Using the voltage output on my Sequencer1, I was able to dial in precise voltages for all 12 possible transpositions without glitching. So I can transpose just fine using my Sequencer1. But I found that I had to get the voltages to within 10 mV precision or else it would glitch. I'd be interested to hear if others experience this also...

If I'm not transposing, I simply deactivate the transpose in function.

EDIT: I have no experience with the Quantimator, so I can't offer any opinion there.
bitbin
Thans for this! I picked one up and it arrived today so Ill see how I get on!
Paranormal Patroler
SlyFrank wrote:
1) I almost always want to (and so I do) use gate ins, since I want to time my quantization events, not have it free running to no tempo or no timed pattern. So this issue does not really affect me, but just so you know, and others may have different experiences than me, but I still find that without gate ins this quantizer glitches a bit back and forth between adjacent notes. I have also been told that ADDAC does not really consider this to be a bug, and that they kind of like this behavior, creating trills, but I'm not sure if that's true or not - just what I heard from someone on Muffs somewhere. I personally don't like it, but again, it's pretty much a non-issue with me as I like to use gate ins, which negates the problem entirely. I'd be interested to hear if others experience this...


Thank you for your input. I've been reconsidering getting the 207 back in my case as of late. I've owned a few quantizers (Penrose, uscale v1, etc) and they all seem to trill sometimes. I don't remember if the Quantimator did that (it's been years since I owned one) but I think it did. So maybe it's inherent to quantizers in general? I don't know, but I can say it's a common occurrence which I try to use to my advantage.


Quote:
2) I find with my unit that transposing is very difficult due to the incredibly precise voltage values expected in Transpose in. If the incoming voltage is not exactly right, it will go back and forth between two adjacent scales. Just the other day I did an experiment which actually worked very well, but is not how I envision how this should work. Using the voltage output on my Sequencer1, I was able to dial in precise voltages for all 12 possible transpositions without glitching. So I can transpose just fine using my Sequencer1. But I found that I had to get the voltages to within 10 mV precision or else it would glitch. I'd be interested to hear if others experience this also...


Would you care to go into more details about this? I plan to use the Meta Sequencer for transposition purposes which means it'll be easy to dial in precise voltage values, but in case I don't I'd be interested to learning more about it.

EDIT

I was just re-reading the Rev.3 manual. According to it the transposition happens according to the 1v/octave standard and should incur inside one octave, doubling it makes no difference (makes absolute sense). Later on in the manual they state that they consider note differences to be 0.08333333v = 83mV which is 41.5mV for each semitone. That's the precision I would expect.
SlyFrank
I just tried transposing again using the Sequencer1, using the voltage values I had written down from the last time. BTW, it is 83 mV per semitone - divide 1000 mV by 12 = ~83 mV. Anyway, the only reason I had to write down the values is that, like a lot of things, the Sequencer1 is not exact. The CV out that I was using (I guess I should check the other two outs to see if they are the same) has a slight negative offset of approx 40 mV measured by my O'Toole, so when I set it to read 004 (which is really 0.04V), the 207 does not transpose as it sees close to 0 volts. I then went up the semitones one-by-one, and it followed the 83 mV scheme from there.

Anyway, it works pretty well, but, at least with mine, it has to be at least 10 mV precision (and 10 mV precision is the best available to me) or else it will glitch back and forth between adjacent scales. Even when dialed in to the 'best' 10 mV value, I still sometimes get some glitching, but it's tolerable. So, I'll have to say it works, but make sure to really dial in precise values or it'll glitch. If the meta sequencer can dial in better than 10 mV precision then you might be very happy w00t
Paranormal Patroler
I guess I'll have to give it a try. seriously, i just don't get it
SlyFrank
Please report on how it works for you. I'll be interested to hear of your results. Cheers.
LightsOfCérès
I bought the 207, last july from ADDAC System, and i have some difficulties with it.
I send it a CV and GATE from Arturia KEYSTEP
I select all the button so whatever i play on the keyboard, it must play it.
But it doesn't, for some notes it needs time to switch to it

I understand that it needs precise voltage, so question is how to convert voltage from sequencers or keyboards to feed it properly ?

Sorry for my english, not my first language
LightsOfCérès
I opened the keystep and find two trim pots which allow to calibrate the voltage of the cv out.

I calibrated the voltage of the keystep this way :

C1=1.000
C#1 = 1.083
D1 = 1.166
D#1 = 1.249
E1 = 1.332
etc...etc...

Then i plugged the CV out of the Keystep into the 207 in C major, and i played a C major scale on the keyboard to test the tracking of the 207.

The 207 does not play all the notes played on the keyboard.
Some notes need to be played several times before being reproduced by the 207.
Looks like a problem of voltage detection, i don't know the word to explain it kind of latency ?!?

If someone could give me help with this issue ? help
what gives?
Sorry if this has been asked before, but will the 207 output quantized notes only within the same octave range, or is it possible to spread voices across several octaves?
Paranormal Patroler
what gives? wrote:
Sorry if this has been asked before, but will the 207 output quantized notes only within the same octave range, or is it possible to spread voices across several octaves?


hmmm..... Not sure if I'm getting your question right, but I assume you mean that you want to spread your CVs across octaves. The ADDAC207 would quantize each voice in its own octave.
what gives?
I saw an octave setting and it got me confused. Do i understand you right if the output cv corresponds to what octave range the input cv is in?
shesmylife94
This look Amazing
peterpanderretter
Hey,
could the scale function of the voltage block replace the intuitive quantiser somehow?
thanks
peter
Supervillain
Any one knows if it can transpose from the "transpose input" but in a post quantizing operation
E.g. : Sequencer>tranpose voltage offset>quantizer>vco

Checked the manual but it's not that clear

Thanks wink
Summa
From the ADDAC news:

We've just released a new Firmware for our ADDAC207 Intuitive Quantizer!

Inspired by the Mylar Melodies video we're introducing a new Transposition method, as up to now the Quantizer would only transpose the scale defined by the user, now it also transposes the incoming CV!Download the Firmware Update Guide .pdf file from the module webpage, all instructions and download links in the .pdf:

http://www.addacsystem.com/product/addac200-series/addac207

L_2 updates log:
.New Transposition method:
- Now on the Assign Menu you can select Button 11 (A#) to assign the CV input to the old Scale Transposition mode (used to be Button 1).
- You can also select Button 1 (C) to assign the Transposition to the Channels input cv, offseting the incoming notes like a voltage adder would but keeping the notes in the same scale.
- You can also Select both Button 1 and 11 to Transpose both the Scale and the Incoming notes.


so good news for all owners, future and past, of the 207 Quantizer, it just became even better..
ADDAC System
We're very happy to have released a new version!
dhoinjo
Anybody with a 207 that tried this latest firmware? Been thinking of getting me one.
Paranormal Patroler
Mine is in the post hihi
Riggar
Well I believe I'm on the latest firmware - having followed the latest guide. Lots of flashing lights on the usb-to-serial adapter (Windows here) and getting an upload complete message.

That said a few of things are of interest ...

i) Still getting the 'warbling' notes if the 207 is taking in a CV input (input 1) without a gate - where the 207 can't decide which note. I thought across the 3 main 207 threads there was general agreement that this had been sorted not to do it?

ii) Page 30 of the Rev 3 manual shows the Octave Offset (Button 9) ranging from 0 octaves to 9 octaves - this is what mine is doing, as described on page 19, BUT NOT what is being described on page 12 under Button 9 which seems to be suggesting 12 options from -3 to +8.

iii) Also page 5 the simple vco setup - it has been said elsewhere at least once, that setting to F5 generates a 3v signal and not 4v.

iv) I've mentioned in one of the other threads that if you take the output from say output 1 to a VCO (we're in Keyboard Mode here) and play the keyboard up the scale, so if we are in the default C major (and the VCO is tuned to say C4) and play C D E F G A B on the manual keyboard, there is drift of the notes away from the true note. I've tried it with 2 different VCOs and the drift is almost identical in each case. (A dixie II and Mungo w0).

D4 -4 cents (that's a minus sign)
E4 -9 cents
F4 -12 cents
G4 -16 cents
A4 -21 cents
B4 - 26 cents

Not too big deal but it's more 'out' than I would have expected.

I've been through the tuning procedure page 22 and have all 4 outputs running at 3v (F5 C Major)


Anyone else reporting the same / similar?
Summa
Riggar do you split the quantised cv via stackable or a passive mult? Or do you use a buffer? I had some issues before the latest firmware when using stackcables that made all types of confusing results..

regarding the typos in the manual I feel it's pretty easy mistakes are due to happen in such a long and deep manual and whenever a new firmware is released it's bound to be some things that's not coherent with the latest upgrades, make sure you point them out to ADDAC so they can correct them! thumbs up
dhoinjo
Summa
and are those issues resolved by using a buffered mult? I'm thinking about buying this module. But I need to be sure it works flawlessly for that money.
Summa
dhoinjo A buffer helps when multing a single cv to many 1v/oct inputs, but the issues Riggar have I'm not sure since he hasn't answered my question yet, it's easy to jump to conclusions.
dhoinjo
Indeed. Buffered mults are the only way to divide cv in my experience. Just want to make sure that the issues mentioned earlier are resolved with the latest firmware.
Riggar
Summa wrote
do you split the quantised cv via stackable or a passive mult? Or do you use a buffer?


In this case I was in testing mode so only a single CV out - not split or anything. If I was splitting the quantized out I would go for a buffered mult.

In mentioning 'typos' in the manual - I was looking for confirmation from others really (not deliberately being nitpicky) - it's a very comprehensive and useful manual. Yes if we feel there a small errors here or there I'll happily pass on to Andre @ ADDAC.
nomenklature
Does anyone have examples of what the African/Exotic temperament on the ADDAC 207 is like? The manual doesn't contain info about what intervals it is, and I can't seem to find video examples.

I'm trying to decide btwn this and the Ornament & Crime for quantization, and some unusual temperaments would be a big plus for the 207.

thanks,

N
Paranormal Patroler
nomenklature wrote:
Does anyone have examples of what the African/Exotic temperament on the ADDAC 207 is like? The manual doesn't contain info about what intervals it is, and I can't seem to find video examples.

I'm trying to decide btwn this and the Ornament & Crime for quantization, and some unusual temperaments would be a big plus for the 207.

thanks,

N


I'm not exactly sure. But if you're looking for unusual temperaments, the 207 manual states you can go from 48 notes per scale to 12 notes per scale. Microtuning is cool!
ADDAC System
nomenklature wrote:
Does anyone have examples of what the African/Exotic temperament on the ADDAC 207 is like? The manual doesn't contain info about what intervals it is, and I can't seem to find video examples.

I'm trying to decide btwn this and the Ornament & Crime for quantization, and some unusual temperaments would be a big plus for the 207.

thanks,

N


Hi nomenklature! The Exotic scale is a balafon tuning.
Triglav
Somehow, my outputs 2-4 stopped working in chord mode. They can still quantize if I plug something into their inputs, but they stay at a constant note with nothing plugged in and quantizer 1 quantizing. Nothing is plugged into any gate ins.
I swear this used to work as described in the manual:


EDIT
I have solved it by long pressing button 7 and selecting button 2+4.
Which is really odd, since the manual says that this shouldn't be possible. Anyone knows what's going on here?
groovar
My key knob + set buttom seems to just be changing active keys, not changing octaves. Any ideas?
lohacker
groovar wrote:
My key knob + set buttom seems to just be changing active keys, not changing octaves. Any ideas?


Are you in keyboard or quantizer mode? In keyboard mode the knob should change octaves and in quantizer mode is used to change key, long pressing the octave offset button (8)you can set the octave.
groovar
Keyboard mode seems to work fine. I am only talking about quantizer mode. When I turn the switch and hit the set button, all that changes are the active lit keys in the playing sequence

Between this and the two switches seemingly doing nothing I’m not hearing anything “musical” coming out of this at all
groovar
I think you meant key 9 for octave?
groovar
anyway it seems to be working, but the changes are very subtle and don't really sound cool. the voltage seems to be very sensitive and it locks up all the time and i have to power cycle the module which blows since have to turn off the case it is in
Triglav
I've been trying out the scale transposition and I have to admit that I'm a bit lost.
Let's say I've set the scale to C major and the assign input to button11. Then I send an offset into the assign input and cycle through scales. So far so good (not counting some weird glitches), but if I remove the offset or set it to 0V it doesn't go back to C major. Am I missing something about how this works and why?
behndy
boop boop. got it in, and NIFTY. sitting down to learn my through the cute beasty and it's working different than i understood it would.

i have a melodic line CV going into 01 CV In, 01 CV Out to Rings, 02 CV Out to 2hp Sine. that works fineeeeee. since only the 01 CV In is plugged into, it dupes the quantized CV out to 02 CV Out as well.

but then i have different gate patterns going into 01 Gate In, 02 Gate In and 03 Gate In. and experiencing two things that are different than i expected.

01) i thought with a gate input that channel would only put out the note that was being quantized when that gate hit? like if the melody being put out was C D E F, and a gate was only hitting on when the C and E were going out the CV Out, you wouldn't hear the D and the F? maybe i have too long of a gate going in? but when the VCA for the Sine is open, i get the entire melodic pattern. like if i just trigger it every other beat, i hear the C then slide to the D the E then slide to F. was hoping to have the CV out freeze until the next gate.

02) it doesn't pass through to the Gate Out. on Channel 02 and 03 i was sending a different gate pattern to each, and the out to the envelope going into the VCA. if i stack cable the gate, then the VCA opens when it should, if i send out the Gate Out for that channel it..... some times does? i can't figure out WHEN it's triggering. i thought at first it was cascading like gates were read Channel 01 then 02 then 03 then 01 then 02 then 03 etc. but it's not doing that. just.... occasionally sends a gate.

what am i doing wrong?
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