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Best Guitar Amp for Hardrock/Metal

Post by Kwote » Wed Jul 29, 2009 11:52 am

I want some crunchy shit!

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Post by ai » Wed Jul 29, 2009 12:02 pm

Metaltronix

or get a Marshall and a Lee Jackson mod video/kit.

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Post by Kwote » Wed Jul 29, 2009 1:52 pm

ai wrote:Metaltronix

or get a Marshall and a Lee Jackson mod video/kit.
any particular Marshall?

I went to the Metaltronix website but I didn’t see any way to purchase one.

Looks like they're sellin those kits on Ebay.
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Post by ai » Wed Jul 29, 2009 2:20 pm

OK,

I talked with Lee. He's not making amps right now, so there aren't any available from him...just mod-kits. http://www.leejackson.com That "LA crunch" sound is from his mods to Marshalls in the '80s. He put that circuit and derivatives into his Metaltronix (only available used) and Lee Jackson Amplification (also used only) amps. He designed for Ampeg for awhile and that circuit is in some of the Ampeg amps from the era. So here's the scoop:

Most of these amps are only available used...except the Marshall reissues.

Marshall: Early JCM800 series single channel amps like the 2203 or the equivalent reissue (not sure what the reissue model # is). Don't get the channel-switchers or amps with reverb because the circuit is messed up on those.

Ampeg: The VL series has the "crunch" circuit. The VL1002 is the best.

Lee Jackson: The XLS series has the crunch circuit.

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Post by plord » Wed Jul 29, 2009 2:27 pm

Kwote: there is a key question at play here. How loud are you going to be able to turn it up? :sb:

A JCM800 might not give up the goods at bedroom volume, and even if it did you'll need to mic it up which, as I am learning, is a complicated science experiment. So what's your use case here? You gonna play this stuff live and loud? Or is this part of the home studio production?

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Post by panda30y » Wed Jul 29, 2009 2:32 pm

How loud and how much are you willing to spend? Would you like a head/cabinet suggestion or do you already have a cabinet? If so, what cabinet do you have? Or would you simply want a combo amp?

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Post by Kwote » Wed Jul 29, 2009 3:24 pm

plord wrote:Kwote: there is a key question at play here. How loud are you going to be able to turn it up? :sb:

A JCM800 might not give up the goods at bedroom volume, and even if it did you'll need to mic it up which, as I am learning, is a complicated science experiment. So what's your use case here? You gonna play this stuff live and loud? Or is this part of the home studio production?
heh. yeah. at home for now.

cost as i'm finding is all relative so don't let that stop anyone from suggesting what they think is best.

i need fantasy material as well as something to get started on. so from low to high price range is fine.
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Post by Kwote » Wed Jul 29, 2009 3:25 pm

oh and i don't have a cab or head. so both.
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Post by felix » Wed Jul 29, 2009 3:59 pm

I've been debating selling my Mesa Triple Rectifier head (the original two channel model) and Marshall 4x12 cab (vintage 30s) for a while now. It's loud and sounds quite different between bedroom volume vs. show volume, but it's a killer amp. I'd be really sad to see it go, since it's been with me since '99-2000, but I know it would be going to a good home.

I'm only selling it because I don't play in bands anymore and it's been sitting in my studio pretty much unused for the last two years. :deadbanana:
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Post by Kwote » Wed Jul 29, 2009 9:13 pm

felix wrote:I've been debating selling my Mesa Triple Rectifier head (the original two channel model) and Marshall 4x12 cab (vintage 30s) for a while now. It's loud and sounds quite different between bedroom volume vs. show volume, but it's a killer amp. I'd be really sad to see it go, since it's been with me since '99-2000, but I know it would be going to a good home.

I'm only selling it because I don't play in bands anymore and it's been sitting in my studio pretty much unused for the last two years. :deadbanana:
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Post by felix » Thu Jul 30, 2009 1:58 am

Kwote wrote:you don't play guitar at all anymore?
oh no, I do, but these days it's always through my little epiphone valve jr at home, which is why the t-rec doesn't get fired up anymore. :bananaguitar:
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Post by Dragonslair » Fri Jul 31, 2009 1:58 am

If you can find one, an old Seymour Duncan Convertible is a versatile amp for the home studio.

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Post by Kwote » Fri Jul 31, 2009 11:20 am

Dragonslair wrote:If you can find one, an old Seymour Duncan Convertible is a versatile amp for the home studio.
wow. that's a real interesting amp man. i'll definitely keep it in mind.

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Post by bar|none » Fri Jul 31, 2009 11:54 am

I'm selling a Rivera 55-12. Just push Ninja-boost on the pedal and stand back.

All new groove tubes and just rebiased. Amazing sounding amp.

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Post by Dragonslair » Fri Jul 31, 2009 11:07 pm

Kwote wrote:
Dragonslair wrote:If you can find one, an old Seymour Duncan Convertible is a versatile amp for the home studio.
wow. that's a real interesting amp man. i'll definitely keep it in mind.

thanks. :tu:
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Post by REwire » Sun Aug 02, 2009 2:50 am

I just picked up a Mesa Boogie Express 5:25 and it's the best for death metal I've tried. That is if you like the Lamb of God sound or other famous Rectifier using bands. I was using a Rivera Venus 3 and it sounded amazing but more smooth than crunchy. There are two channels in the Boogie Express and contour levels that give you that dip in the middle of EQ.

Doing palm picking, it sounds like a machine gun, Fuck yah! Die Motherfuckers, Die! :deadbanana: :bananaguitar:

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Post by tragedybysyntax » Tue Aug 18, 2009 10:38 am

http://www.zzounds.com/item--VOXAD100VT

this fucker is an okay amp turned down low..... open that bitch up at about 3 oclock and WOW!!!! I've got a track on my album that's about finished that I double tracked guitars with this thing and It's very "Diezelish" Tones that sound alot like the perfect circle album. :)
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Post by XXXEsq » Tue Aug 18, 2009 6:37 pm

A long time ago in a galaxy far far away (Van Nuys in the early 70s to be exact), I had 2 stacks of Marshall Super Lead 100 heads and dual 4x12 cabintets. Needless to say, it rocked....
Even more needless to say my hearing now sucks....
But what a glorious sound it was :bananaguitar:

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Post by Kwote » Wed Aug 26, 2009 11:15 am

I've settled on the Carvin V3 head

and the Mesa Boogie 4x12 Rectifier Cab

Now I just need cash to make it reality. :lol:
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Post by Chrome Dinette » Sun Aug 30, 2009 10:42 am

I had a VHT Deliverance 120 for a while and in the "more" mode it definitely did the metal crunch thing very well.

I tend to like a little less crunch for my basic sound and then tweak that with pedals, and the "less" mode wasn't quite to my liking so I sold it and ended up building a 2203 type amp.
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Post by Kent » Sun Aug 30, 2009 11:25 am

So, Kwoter... you decided to hold of on a Fucking Fucker then?

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Post by Kwote » Tue Sep 01, 2009 12:02 pm

Kent wrote:So, Kwoter... you decided to hold of on a Fucking Fucker then?
Too expensive. No track record. Not a metasonix fan. :ducks from stones cast: :lol:
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Post by TrashWaveform » Mon Sep 07, 2009 2:29 am

I play through a shit ton of effects both stomp box style and rack style. Its also usually split into multiple channels. So I never use an amp. Sometimes I might dial in simulations for the head or cab on my RP-500 but thats not really often. The final point is going straight into the mixing console and out the loud speakers. After my channels are properly panned the result is better then a cab I think but I am considering a "clear" cab for live feedback. Any genre including hard rock and metal works in this method but being in a metal band without an amp its hard to get respect. Any metal band I have played keys in it seemed like the guitarists had to finance a stack or GTFO of the band.

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Post by slovo » Mon Sep 14, 2009 9:00 am

When most people refer to "the metal sound" they're talking about Mesa rectifiers. But not necessarily the speakers. I'm not really sure why you would want to pay for a Mesa cabinet. And I'm not really sure how that jives with your head choice either. Of course, previous posters have hit the nail on the head -- you need to decide based on your venue and your budget, more than anything. A lot of small tube combo amps will shred with authority if you replace the tubes and the speaker wisely. Most importantly, they'll do it at volumes that are a) tolerable indoors and b) easy to record. But for all I know, you're preparing for a stadium gig and have gotten additional advice from elsewhere/research. Or, I guess if you just want to know what to buy "when you're famous", then whatever floats your boat! Just wanted to make sure you were clear on those details. :)

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