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tom moody
I emailed ADDAC about this and got no reply. I adhered to the naming convention for wavs (a.wav, b.wav ... 0.wav, 1.wav ... aa.wav, bb.wav, etc)
but if I try to load more than 36 wavs the disc LED shows error. The 36 wavs play fine but it's supposed to have a 72 wav capacity. Has anyone else had this problem and is there a fix?
tom moody
Thanks to whoever moved my comment over to this ADDAC forum. I swear I didn't know this was here.
Reading previous comments in this forum I guess I'm lucky to have cards that play 36 wavs.
I have been using San Disk 2 GB cards but I have the same 36 wav limit problem using the 1 GB card that shipped with the module.
I am using Windows XP and 7 and have the same (36 wav limit) issue using either operating system.
seamonkeyman
Weird. Mine is running 72 ok. Have you tried reformatting the card with a digital camera, rather than the comp? Initially I had some issues, but once I formatted in my bog standard Sony camera it was fine. I'm using Sandisk 4gb cards with no problems.

You know that the b.wav file needs to be small? I think it's mentioned in the PDF manual somewhere. I've found ADDAC to be very friendly, so I'm surprised you've not heard back.

Hope the camera formatting helps (no idea why it seems to work!)
tom moody
Thanks for replying. Unfortunately my Sony camera is old and uses the dreaded "memory stick." I never actually formatted the card in the computer. My PC read the 4 wav files that came on the included card and then those played fine in the module so I saw no need to reformat. According to my PC the properties of the card are FAT16. I didn't have a problem until I tried adding "aa.wav, bb.wav, etc" and up to the card. Then I hit the max 36 limit.
I was a bit bummed I didn't get a reply to my email -- I figured it was one of those "use the forum" situations so I came here.
tom moody
Oh, yes, and my b.wavs are all under 500KB (as per the manual) but thanks for the suggestion.
seamonkeyman
I also had some problems with the original card once I started adding files/generally messing about. It may be worth a go experimenting with another card formatted in a mate's camera (don't think it need to be Sony camera, that's just what I have). I've just ordered some Thomann cards, so once those turn up I'll let you know if they work straight out of the box.

Sorry I can't be more help, I've read about card issues in other threads, and heard the formatting answer elsewhere. Reformatting under OSX or windows 7 didn't seem to work for me, very weird.
tom moody
I will ask around and see if I can find someone with a SD card-using camera. Certainly worth a shot, no pun intended. Will let you know how it goes, thanks.
ams
I've run into exactly the same issue - I can only play 36 files on the ADDAC111 - and this is with an SD card supplied by ADDAC. I've sent them an email but would be grateful to hear if anyone has found a way round this issue.


Robert
Summa
did you try the new App?

https://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=118364
ams
Summa wrote:
did you try the new App?

https://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=118364


I'm on Windows rather than OSX but I might try reformatting the SD card to see if that helps.


Robert
ams
OK, well I've had it confirmed from Andre that this module can actually only handle 36 WAV files.

I've asked if he can update the documentation.


Robert
ersatzplanet
Is this the v2 of the module? Mine is a v1 module.
ams
ersatzplanet wrote:
Is this the v2 of the module? Mine is a v1 module.


It's an ADDAC111 rather than a 101 if that's what you mean. It's dated 2013.


Robert
ersatzplanet
ams wrote:
ersatzplanet wrote:
Is this the v2 of the module? Mine is a v1 module.


It's an ADDAC111 rather than a 101 if that's what you mean. It's dated 2013.

Robert


I was thinking this was about the 101, not the 111. There were two versions of the 101. I didn't know, and I guess, by the responses in this thread, many others didn't either, that this had changed between the 101 and the 111.
ams
ersatzplanet wrote:
I was thinking this was about the 101, not the 111. There were two versions of the 101. I didn't know, and I guess, by the responses in this thread, many others didn't either, that this had changed between the 101 and the 111.


Sadly not...

It's not a major issue - I can do what I need to do with 36 files but it's a shame it can't handle more.


Robert
tom moody
My original post was about the 101 model. I've been living with the 36 file limit and in fact just ordered the 111, assuming this had been fixed. Heh.
I'm on Windows so I don't really need the Mac cleaner linked to above. ADDAC says a Windows cleaner is on the way but that was almost 2 years ago.
mafouka
yo comrade, luckily there's a little work around windows cleaner, but it takes a little 1-2 step action:

Quote:
OK,

Andre got back to me quickly and informed me Win 8 now leaves hidden carrier files in SD cards now cry . . . Although, there is a solution!

The solution is to run Command Prompt from the start menu and then enter in the following prompt:

"RmDir /s /q "e:\System Volume Information"

remember you'll need to change the "e:\ suffix to whatever letter the SD card comes up as, depending on how many drives u got running in yr system. Mine was h:\ for example.

cheers


Just copy and paste the the command prompt and press enter, then remove the card.

from here:
https://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=75158&postdays=0&pos torder=asc&start=125
tom moody
Thanks very much, I saw that but I haven't had any problems with the cards (yet), other than the 36 file limit, which appears to be a feature, not a bug.
I still have an XP computer that I use for the cards but it won't be around forever, so this will be helpful.
tom moody
I now have a Mac Mini, which I hate, except I can now use the ADDAC "cleaner" tool ( https://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=118364 ), which I like very much. Automatically renaming the files to a.wav, b.wav, etc is especially helpful.
bisquick
seamonkeyman wrote:
you know that the b.wav file needs to be small?


How small is small?
I'm really not into this WAV player because of all of the gotchas.
Honestly; why can't we just put whatever files we want into this thing and be done with it. I'm fine formatting them but I find it a bit arduous to have to format everything so carefully, to use a special app for removing data, to have to trim b.wav, to not be able to rely on the module loading the file it loaded last time, etc etc.

Does anyone else feel the same?
I'm sorry if I sound miffed; I've just honestly spent more time troubleshooting what is wrong w/ my SD card than I have actually using the thing, and I don't feel that it should be like that.
mafouka
^yo bisquick, i feel for you in some ways. . . beginning the .wav player ventures are a tough trial n error experiment, kinda like making yr first bisquick waffles, till you get a solid recipe down.

You gotta remember the 101 is one of the first ever eurorack samplers, ran off an Arduino chip, so's it's pretty prim compared to the newest stuff. Like i said though, once you get a systematic formatting habit down, you're set, and the results are very worth the time imo!

File b.wav has to be under 500kb
tom moody
A computer running Linux (Ubuntu Studio) can also be used to save 22.5 sample rate .wav files to the SD card. Linux will also recognize and allow you to clean hidden files. Audacity can be used to convert the wavs using "Tracks --> Resample." (But make sure the "project rate" is set for 22.5 before exporting.) The only thing Linux can't do, Ultra Wav-wise, is automatically rename the files a, b, c, etc.
After griping about the 36 file restriction, I'm coming to the view that the Ultra Wav works better with a smaller number of files loaded on the card -- for example, a "kit" of 8 drum hits. it depends on what you want to do with the sampler, of course. I agree with mafouka that "the results are very worth the time" of learning about formatting vis a vis the quality of the output.
ersatzplanet
I have two ADDAC101's (a V1 and a V2) and two Qu-Bit Nebulae along with a couple of DIY wave players based on the SparkFun WaveTrigger PCB. They all use different file naming conventions and different media (USB, SDcard, uSDcards). The at least have the same file type (though the Nebulae can convert). I was snagged a few time because some of them require files with NO metadata and many sample editors will add metadata like editor name and keywords etc. I have to pass everything through a editor I have that erases all that. Also because I use Macs, I have to use the cleaner program that ADDAC has to remove all the hidden files. A real hassle.
tom moody
I saw your comments on this thread ( https://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=23960 ) re: your use of ADDACs and Nebulaes. Having separate folders with the exact same sounds in different formats is kind of an administrative hassle but ultimately worth it for experimentation with the different players. There is also the Doepfer A-112 (and the related software from Muff users that converts wavs to 8 bit). The 1010 Bitbox looks tempting but part of the charm of the "older" wav modules such as ADDAC's is the lo fi character and the mistakes. Perfect rendering of the waveform and perfect playback -- you might as well stick with a PC. (And yes, using samples as wavetables in Euro is a fertile area.)
ersatzplanet
tom moody wrote:
I saw your comments on this thread ( https://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=23960 ) re: your use of ADDACs and Nebulaes. Having separate folders with the exact same sounds in different formats is kind of an administrative hassle but ultimately worth it for experimentation with the different players.


I do have multiple folders on my computer for each playback device and folders inside them for each media (USB stick SD and MicroSD card) and although it is a hassle, it is the only way to do it with any order at all.

tom moody wrote:

There is also the Doepfer A-112 (and the related software from Muff users that converts wavs to 8 bit). The 1010 Bitbox looks tempting but part of the charm of the "older" wav modules such as ADDAC's is the lo fi character and the mistakes. Perfect rendering of the waveform and perfect playback -- you might as well stick with a PC. (And yes, using samples as wavetables in Euro is a fertile area.)


The different players have different uses for me. The Nebulae is better at "playing" the sample in that it can do pitch changing AND time changing (even backwards) at the same time.

The ADDAC is easier for playing waves at the original pitch they were recorded in, but you can slice and dice and play parts of the sample easily. Also it is not restricted to internal memory sizes like the Nebulae, since it plays off the card directly. You can have a lot of long phrase samples to chop up in it. The built in envelope follower is also very handy.

The DIY Wav player I made off the $50 Sparkfun WavTrigger boards are great for background beds and ambience. They are stereo, CD quality and can play up to 14 tracks at a time and the tracks can be as big as you can fit on a MicroSD card. No realtime pitch changing and editing like the others, in the way I built them, but perfect for background drone fields or industrial landscapes.

I recently have gotten a SparkFun Tsunami board with is like the WavTrigger but more powerful. It has 8 channels of output. When I'm done making that module, it will replace the WavTriggers. I will take full use of the multi channels. On the WavTrigger boards I have used drum loops hard panned to one side with custom "beep" tracks panned to the other side. These beep tracks are plugged into a Doepfer Envelope follower and gates are made to drive other parts of the rig in sync. An easy way to have a sync from any sample. With 8 channels, you can have multiple sync tracks with different rhythms.

I started out using the whole rig to make samples the play back on these players, and then using the rig to modify them, but since I upgraded to Reason 10, the Grain module may soon be the source of much of my waves to play on them. LOTS of possibilities there.
tom moody
I haven't been using long-ish samples in the ADDAC players -- clearly I need to experiment more. The Nebulae is great for converting defined sounds into ambient sounds; as a one-shot player I found it had too much latency to sync well with other instruments, possibly because, as you noted, it's not streaming from the card.
Your DIY players sound very interesting, in particular that idea of using a hard panned beep for sync.
Reason's Grain instrument appears similar to (but more fleshed out than) a "free" Reaktor Tips instrument, Frame 3 ( https://reaktortips.com/category/instruments/frame ). Recommended but you have to have Reaktor to use it.
I wonder if metadata is the culprit for why my ADDAC files made in Wavelab on W7-64 don't work (even using the Cleaner on Mac). The older Wavelab on XP worked fine, but as I recall it had no metadata functionality. Audacity has a prompt to add metadata to the wav on export but I instinctively chose "no." And those wavs work fine in the ADDAC.
tom moody
On second thought, scratch that, because Wavelab lite running on Mac also makes files that play nice with the ADDAC. I wish I knew why the ADDAC players don't like my W7-64 files but it's a moot point since I'm moving most of my audio activity over to Linux these days and Audacity seems to work fine.
ADDAC System
ADDAC 111 now supports up to 72 files. Check it out hihi

http://www.addacsystem.com/news/new-firmware-update-addac101-addac111- wav-players
tom moody
Thanks, I'm getting a USB to serial converter soon and look forward to trying out the firmware update.
ADDAC System
Glad to hear it!
tom moody
I never got the firmware update to work. I wasn't able to figure out if the problem was the FTDI driver not liking the chip in the USB-to-serial converter, or some other issue. I can live with 36 wavs but was hoping to be able to get my ADDAC wav players completely up to date. I like both the 101 and 111 models quite a bit!
groovar
RmDir /s /q "e:\System Volume Information

isnt doing anything....getting frustrated havent gotten an SD to work please help anyone pleeeeease
tom moody
What OS are you using to save the files to the SD?
groovar
Windows 10 pro, new MS book

Made a little progress today with 1/5 cards. So I did something right somewhere. Going to reverse engineer that one and take better notes and hopefully find glory soon
OlivierWah
groovar wrote:
RmDir /s /q "e:\System Volume Information

isnt doing anything....getting frustrated havent gotten an SD to work please help anyone pleeeeease


It's work for me, do you replace "e" by the letter of the SD Card ? You dont miss the last " (doble quote) at the end of command line ?

RmDir /s /q "e:\System Volume Information"
groovar
yes i did that, when i hit enter it just brings me back to command prompt, does that mean it works?

so in this order:

1)format card

2)run command

3)drag files

that should do it?
OlivierWah
I run the command after drag files because when you move files, it's seems sometimes that dir (System Volume Information) will be filled.
I drag files, I run the command, then I eject it.
groovar
ok thank you I am trying that now

so command is last step, maybe thats what has been plaguing me
groovar
GLORY BE AT LAST AND FOR ALL TO KNOW CLEARLY:

Windows 10 Pro

Follow all Addac instructions AND

in this order:

1)format card

2)add files (samples)

3)run program from command prompt

It works glory be to thine on hiiiggghhhhh

Thank you OlivierWah



Relief has washed over me in an awesome way
OlivierWah
Cool !

And to be really clear and safe all the time, I prevent the creation of that folder, I follow that tutorial:

https://www.thewindowsclub.com/prevent-system-volume-information-folde r-usb
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