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DAY 3: VCA Quintet Mixing Console
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__ag
Day 3:
ADDAC802 VCA Quintet Mixing Console

This module comes to update our ADDAC802 Audio Mixer

Features:
2 independent mixing channels, Solo and Mix
Mix Output includes a 6th VCA with Pre and Post outputs

5 independent VCA's with:
Independent outputs
Linear or logarithmic control
Solo/Off/Mix switch that routes their audio to the Solo Channel or the Mix channel. In Off position the VCA does not go to the outputs. This way you can use all 5 VCA's separately for different sources (audio or cv) or mix in 2 different chains.
The Solo line is also intended for Pre Listening purposes, using this output to connect your headphones through some headphone amplifier module.

External input into the Mix channel for daisy chaining.

bj_gzp
Uh, i can't wait for this one to get out smile
BJ
Paranormal Patroler
eek! Uber useful for live (or any) situation!
spitznagl
Well, this one's freaking tempting.

Two questions; What's the AC/DC switch for?

Is the external input routed before or after the master VCA? I'm just wondering if it could be used as six individual VCAs.
John Noble
Hmmmm ... database difficulty: the model ADDAC802 is already taken.

http://www.addacsystem.com/product/addac802-vc-mixer

Does the version on the website get replaced by this? hmmm.....
__ag
Yes, 802 will be replaced by this new one!
i will update the website very soon, been experiencing some internet problems today.


And AC/DC switch is for ac or dc coupling putting it simple it's an option to choose between audio(ac) or voltage(dc) signals.

all the very best
andre
DonKartofflo
spitznagl wrote:
Well, this one's freaking tempting.

Two questions; What's the AC/DC switch for?

Is the external input routed before or after the master VCA? I'm just wondering if it could be used as six individual VCAs.


Well it could be five indie vcas for sure. I guess the ext in is before the master, since it wouldn't make much sense to have it after it...
chvad
this is sweet!
microtonal
This is module is very nice. It is so easy to add mix outputs in a multi-VCA module, makes you wonder why it isn't done more often.
microtonal
Link input as seen here should be a requirement for almost any mixer/VCA combination.

Is Solo really a second Mix out? That's better IMHO than a true solo.

Pre and post vca mix outs, icing on the cake!
stellvia
Cool!

Can each channel be used as a mixer without a CV input? i.e. using the VCA control for each channel as a straight volume control?
bj_gzp
stellvia wrote:
Cool!

Can each channel be used as a mixer without a CV input? i.e. using the VCA control for each channel as a straight volume control?


I think that should be no problem. I intend to use it that way as well, with an envelope only on the Master OUT VCA.
Mercutio
The versatility of this module is really impressive !
bj_gzp
Mine is ready (i have seen it with my own eyes!), i paid for it and i'm awaiting the tracking code smile
Now is the worst time, waiting for the postman cry hyper
flo
bj_gzp wrote:
Mine is ready (i have seen it with my own eyes!), i paid for it and i'm awaiting the tracking code smile
Now is the worst time, waiting for the postman cry hyper


Ditto, mine (#2) is on the way as well It's motherfucking bacon yo

Can't wait for it SlayerBadger!
bj_gzp
Interesting, i thought i'll get #2.
But who cares, i just want to get mine yesterday hehe SlayerBadger!
flo
bj_gzp wrote:
Interesting, i thought i'll get #2.
But who cares, i just want to get mine yesterday hehe SlayerBadger!


Interesting indeed. hmmm..... But yeah you're right, who cares, this will be tons of fun.
bj_gzp
I just got #3 Rockin' Banana!
It will be a long day at work zombie
I can't wait to check the solo out.
dj_bluefalcon
I'm getting pretty drooly over these. Any word on their commercial availability in the US? I've sent ADDAC a note, but haven't heard back yet. It's only been a couple of hours, so I'm sure they'll get to it. Just wondered if anyone here had heard anything about it yet.
flo
Well AFAIK the first three modules were just produced; #1 stays at ADDAC, #2 arrived at my place today (pic later) and #3 is with bj_gzp... Don't know about the next "batch" but the fine folks from ADDAC will certainly reply to your email very soon.

Cheers! SlayerBadger!
arnoux
Guys I'm considering to swap my A-132-3 and a uVCA for this one, five VCAs VS four in less HP + I really love the aesthetics of ADDAC stuff..

What I don't understand about the design is the "one knob" configuration, I mean, my A-132-3 has 2 knobs for VCA, CV and Gain, what's in this one the level knob for? How do you like it for percussion sounds? I'm going to pair it with an A-143-2 quad adsr and maybe a Make Noise Function..

Thanks in advance!
flo
The knob is bi-functional: from fully CCW to 12 o'clock it does CV attenuation, then from 12 o'clock to fully CW it does offset. That means, if you don't use any CV, sound will start to appear at 12 o'clock; if you use CV, the knob will attenuate that CV up to 12 o'clock, then start to offset it all (so it won't completely close). While it takes a little time to get used to it, I really like this feature, it's awesome!

Percussive is not a problem either... I have mine paired with an Envelator, Maths and A142-4.
arnoux
Thanks Flo really helpfull!
flo
My pleasure! thumbs up
withakay
flo wrote:
The knob is bi-functional: from fully CCW to 12 o'clock it does CV attenuation, then from 12 o'clock to fully CW it does offset. That means, if you don't use any CV, sound will start to appear at 12 o'clock; if you use CV, the knob will attenuate that CV up to 12 o'clock, then start to offset it all (so it won't completely close). While it takes a little time to get used to it, I really like this feature, it's awesome!

Percussive is not a problem either... I have mine paired with an Envelator, Maths and A142-4.


Wow, that is actually a really cool feature to have, I would have had not idea about that if you had not mentioned it...
flo
Indeed it's a very cool feature, great design. Very useful in live situations.

Here are some pics for you of #2:







Cheers! SlayerBadger!
spitznagl
flo wrote:
The knob is bi-functional: from fully CCW to 12 o'clock it does CV attenuation, then from 12 o'clock to fully CW it does offset. That means, if you don't use any CV, sound will start to appear at 12 o'clock; if you use CV, the knob will attenuate that CV up to 12 o'clock, then start to offset it all (so it won't completely close). While it takes a little time to get used to it, I really like this feature, it's awesome!


It is a cool feature indeed, but I would like to point out one thing.

While it does attenuate the range of the cv input the more you go past 12 o'clock (up to nearly no effect), you're then stuck with a loud signal. You still need to use a separate attenuator on the cv source first if you want both control of the range of the cv input and overall amplitude.

If you use the module as six separate vcas, that's not a problem if you further patch the output of the vcas to modules with built-in attenuation on the inputs. If you instead use the mixer aspect of the 802 and have one of the channel that needs to be both low in amplitude and needs to have the modulation source attenuated, you'll need to attenuate that cv source first.

But that's almost never a problem and we all have attenuators anyway. Much better than the linix imho; more compact, versatile mixer and it has the lin/log switches.

Here's mine

bj_gzp
Yes, for me it's as well THE Mixing VCA in Eurorack.
I'm happy with my #3 It's motherfucking bacon yo
ADDAC System
Sorry, test post for our new account!
Paranormal Patroler
Welcome ADDAC System lol
arnoux
Mmm that's hard to understand to me.. Have to think about this point, this one would be the only vca in my system looking at my future expansion plan.. In the plan there's also a couple of maths so no problem with attenuators. The system is quite big, 15u (but with 3 LPGs).. Better keep my uvca around? Even of I'd like to get the Quintet as the only one..

spitznagl wrote:
flo wrote:
The knob is bi-functional: from fully CCW to 12 o'clock it does CV attenuation, then from 12 o'clock to fully CW it does offset. That means, if you don't use any CV, sound will start to appear at 12 o'clock; if you use CV, the knob will attenuate that CV up to 12 o'clock, then start to offset it all (so it won't completely close). While it takes a little time to get used to it, I really like this feature, it's awesome!


It is a cool feature indeed, but I would like to point out one thing.

While it does attenuate the range of the cv input the more you go past 12 o'clock (up to nearly no effect), you're then stuck with a loud signal. You still need to use a separate attenuator on the cv source first if you want both control of the range of the cv input and overall amplitude.

If you use the module as six separate vcas, that's not a problem if you further patch the output of the vcas to modules with built-in attenuation on the inputs. If you instead use the mixer aspect of the 802 and have one of the channel that needs to be both low in amplitude and needs to have the modulation source attenuated, you'll need to attenuate that cv source first.

But that's almost never a problem and we all have attenuators anyway. Much better than the linix imho; more compact, versatile mixer and it has the lin/log switches.

Here's mine

flo
I kept my uVCA after buying the 802. But in my gig case (2 voices), it's the only VCA and more than enough for me...
arnoux
Quote:
If you instead use the mixer aspect of the 802 and have one of the channel that needs to be both low in amplitude and needs to have the modulation source attenuated, you'll need to attenuate that cv source first.


If I get it, it seems I can use for this task even a channel of the 802.. Right?
flo
Yes! That leaves 4 channels for mixing. thumbs up
arnoux
V E R Y G O O D SlayerBadger!
flo
Yes! And actually, it leaves four channels for mixing to two different sums... hihi SlayerBadger!
tiny333
Well having got one of these yesterday i would just like to say my only problem is i now want another.

Its just fantastic

The dual knob thing is very cool

The vca's seem alot nicer than the last mixer i had
And the design is sooo much smarter

Thank you ADDAC

thumbs up
subultresk
tiny333 wrote:
Well having got one of these yesterday i would just like to say my only problem is i now want another.
thumbs up


I avoided this problem and just ordered two…. hihi

tiny333
Best plan

Very nice

thumbs up
sauce
These look to be in stock at Analoghaven now.
ADDAC System
Hello,

We've uploaded 2 new videos for our VCA Quintet:

Part 1: Overview


Part 2: Demonstration



all the very best
andre
Bambou
Great video, very informative applause
arnoux
Thanks for the vid! Quintet really packs a lot and I can see used a lot in my system.. Sadly it sucks a lot of mA and I'm in the edge of power starve, it would push my rack near 1100 mA and my case is just 1200.. hmmm.....
What do you think guys?
flo
Doepfer 1200 mA...?
arnoux
Yes Doepfer LC9, 1200 mA.. With the Quintet on modular grid I reach 1083 mA and I don't know the power consumption of a DIY LPG a friend of mine built tome, but I guess no more than 30 mA.. So I'm very close to the edge.
flo
IME the Doepfer linear PSUs are really stable until you cross the actual max... So if you're sure you're still below it, I wouldn't worry too much.

Still highly appreciating my 802 here SlayerBadger!
arnoux
Ah yeah then Never maintain cash savings again
mapmap
nice.
Summa
we're not worthy applause
flo
Upside down? Not bad either hihi
algo
Just got one yesterday SlayerBadger! and now thinking about revising my envelopes to fit. What are people using with it?

At the moment I've got Maths and PEG.
Neekau
Maths 2013 + Intellijel Quadra

Edit: Sorry for the late reply d'oh!
Summa
same here plus pitts adsr, envelator and some more.. it works pretty much with everything! thumbs up
Claudyknight
This looks awesome but can you get it in silver? Massive OCD smile
flo
You can get any Addac in any color - if you are prepared to pay for it... thumbs up
monads
I noticed on mine with nothing patched the LED's light-up on VCA 3 and MIX VCA with the knobs fully clockwise???? Is this normal??? I have serial #29 purchased new a few months ago.

Just want to confirm as I haven't really had a chance to use (I just recently found the rack space for it!).

flo
Mine does not do that. Does this manifest itself as a DC offset at the output(s)?
monads
I haven't had a chance to really test. I just racked it and messed with the knobs real quick and figured that behavior was odd.

I'll test further tonight and report back........
monads
I couldn't find any fault seriously, i just don't get it

Odd. I even took the outputs to the 205 oscilloscope to see if I could see anything and nothing.

I noticed with VCA 3 depending on if in LIN/LOG the led will light up at different stages. In LIN, at 1 o'clock you see it's dimly lit. In LOG mode, it's 2 o'clock.

For the MIX VCA, it's kinda the same behavior depending on which combination of AC/DC and LIN/LOG are switched.

The module appears to work fine though, so I don't know.
flo
Shoot Andre an email just to be sure...
monads
Email sent!! Let's see.....
monads
Still awaiting a response waah waah waah
monads
Re-sent message cry seriously, i just don't get it help
flo
Fuck man, sorry, hope Andre will respond soon hmmm.....
monads
He responded! He said the "LEDs on the mixer are not AC coupled so it can happen that a slight bias offset, generated by the gain knob, happens and the LED comes on."

He said it wasn't normal, and although the audio path isn't affected to not worry about, but they can repair it regardless. Nonetheless I opted to have have it repaired. I'm just waiting to hear a response back from him on where to send. I hope a response doesn't take long and or the repair/return once it's in his hands.
flo
Sounds reasonable! Glad you got a response thumbs up
C3P4
I'm thinking of getting one of these, just wanted to clarify some functionality. When the solo/off/mix switch is set to off does the individual output still have the signal? Or does it act like a mute switch? hmmm.....
flo
The signal is always present at the individual outs. thumbs up
C3P4
Excellent! I suppose it would be quite strange if it wasn't.
monads
Well.....I'm still waiting to hear back from Andre on where to ship cry cry cry

Is it always this brutal to wait for replies/service???

Besides resolving my issue, I just want to add that this really is a kick a$$ module! I have a Cwejman VCA-4MX that I compare against and the 802 is just way better! Sound wise, they're on par....but the 802 excels in features/price vs. the VCA-4MX. If I didn't have my VCA-4MX, I'd buy another 802 thumbs up
flo
I also just got a VCA-4MX can also attest that they are both amazing. But I wanted to add that the 802 saturates (in a pleasing way) which the Cwejman doesn't (unless you start multing the source to all inputs, which is nice).

The two of them together is an amazing lot of mixing VCA power! SlayerBadger!
vidrock
waiting on my 802... smile
ordered it on thursday last week.
Gyroscope
Nice stuff
DickMarker
Question regarding this module.

Am I right in thinking that the switch in the 'off' position mutes it's respective channel?
flo
Only in the two "mixes", not on the individual out. I interpret it as "out" not "off" (i.e., going only to the individual out) hihi The signal is always present at the individual outs. thumbs up
DickMarker
Cheers for the response - I just noticed you've kindly answered that question twice now in this thread!
flo
My pleasure thumbs up Guinness ftw!
MATSmile
Does anyone know who deep is the module? It says 50mm deep on site, but does it include pin attached to it? I have exactly 50mm deep case, want to try to fit it in. help
kla4spieler
Are the 802 pots bolted on the panel?
Summa
MATSmile wrote:
Does anyone know who deep is the module? It says 50mm deep on site, but does it include pin attached to it? I have exactly 50mm deep case, want to try to fit it in. help


saw this now, it's 53mm deep so sorry it won't fit (I updated the MG spec's a couple of years ago due to this.
Summa
kla4spieler wrote:
Are the 802 pots bolted on the panel?


nope, but they're stiff and nice..
Bark
Hi guys!

I just bought a 802, and saw this reversed panel on MG. Any of you guys using this? How did you obtain it? I can't seem to find it on the Addac site...

Would be nice to have this, mounting the module in a lower row in my case...

Cheers!
cloudleft
Summa wrote:
MATSmile wrote:
Does anyone know who deep is the module? It says 50mm deep on site, but does it include pin attached to it? I have exactly 50mm deep case, want to try to fit it in. help


saw this now, it's 53mm deep so sorry it won't fit (I updated the MG spec's a couple of years ago due to this.


The ADDAC site lists the depth as 55mm... so how deep is it actually? My case is exactly 56mm but I'm wondering if maybe just maybe I can sneak the ribbon cable under that last millimeter?

I know this is an old thread, but this seemed the best place to ask! Thanks.
Paranormal Patroler
I'd go with what the ADDAC site says.
cloudleft
Just racked my new 802 from Analogue Haven, and there's plenty of room beneath. Luckily, I was mis-measuring my case dimensions.

Man this thing sounds good!
disquiet
__ag wrote:
The Solo line is also intended for Pre Listening purposes, using this output to connect your headphones through some headphone amplifier module.


My naive question of the moment: is it a problem to plug a headphone directly into the solo out (either by channel or the Solos Out jack)? I imagine it would be, even with the volume on the low end.
Summa
disquiet wrote:
__ag wrote:
The Solo line is also intended for Pre Listening purposes, using this output to connect your headphones through some headphone amplifier module.


My naive question of the moment: is it a problem to plug a headphone directly into the solo out (either by channel or the Solos Out jack)? I imagine it would be, even with the volume on the low end.


You mean plugging a Hot Eurorack signal, that's mono through the headphones instead of a Line level signal that's balanced stereo, what can go wrong? Dead Banana
disquiet
Summa wrote:
You mean plugging a Hot Eurorack signal, that's mono through the headphones instead of a Line level signal that's balanced stereo, what can go wrong? Dead Banana


smile

Thanks for confirming. I figured.

I know I can get something like a Rosie to give me cue options. Alternately, I was wondering if there's a passive connector that could be put between a headphone and an ADDAC mixer out that would do the job.
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