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parasitk I Play Loco Gigs
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Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 1:00 pm Post subject: |
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Thank you!
| BananaPlug wrote: | | The jack incorporates the equivalent of a SPDT switch. The Blacet jacks I've seen are not in little plastic boxes so if you look carefully at the mechanics of the switch you can actually see what's going on. The extra wire for the switch usually goes to a pad marked with an S. If something is plugged in, the jack's tip connection is whatever was plugged in. Unplug that cable and the signal on the wire from the S pad is hooked up instead. |
So while that basically makes sense, I'm still not exactly clear on how you'd wire it up with a banana and SPDT switch. Sorry! _________________ I, Parasite | Synth fuckery on Soundcloud
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Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 1:54 pm Post subject: |
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| You know how a switch works, right? Now look at the jack and see what the little bits of metal do when you plug something into it. Got it? Now ignore the ground wire. What's left is two wires and a switch. Bingo. |
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Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 8:36 pm Post subject: |
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Fellow banana fracers,
just wondering if anyone has converted Blacets Micro LFO to & would lend me the wisdom of yr experi-ances with regards to dealing with these pesky board mounted sockets
I have two ideas; first is expand the holes of the sockets towards the edge of the panel - drawback being an odd shaped hole & possibly a gap that will need a washer behind the banana.
2nd idea; (leaning in this direction at the moment) expand the size of the pot holes so that they & the board can be scooched over to the right, freeing up enough room on the left - drawback is misalignment between the knob & the ring of dots, but, this might make some room on the left for a switch to replace the normal in the Rate CV socket...
Plan to use a pull-up resistor on the Gate input, much like BananaPlug has described for the BZ Gate(Rst) input, hopefully that will work here.
Part of me is hoping that once I get the socket holes drilled out I'll get lucky & the bananas will just fit in... somehow I doubt it  |
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Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 11:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Well, after playing around & taking a closer look I realized the best way to do it will be to remove the pots & LED from the board & mount the PCB on stand-offs, little trickier, but will be alot neater than hacking the panel. |
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Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 8:34 am Post subject: |
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They said it couldn't be done.... no wait, they said it probably shouldn't be done... wait, whose 'they' ... what?
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Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 3:07 pm Post subject: |
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| that is dope, son! |
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Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 7:48 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah, exactally the same set-up on the Micros Gate In as on the Binary Zones Gate(Rst) - so after I got the latter to work as per BananaPlugs posts I did the same thing on the Micro, 220K from the socket to the switch pad on the PCB. The panel switch selects between the internal pulse or the socket for the Rate CV, which is awesome! Kinda thinking of putting a Centre Off in there so you can toggle between skewed waveshape / normal / CV'd without touching the pot.
I'm buzzing now the headache has worn off, that was easily the hardest one of the lot, the last few modules should be a breeze.
Love your blog Charlie, gave me an idea for converting the Quad Mix VCA - bring the internal Bias Voltage out to a socket = Global Volume control / multi-purpose CV source
Almost run of of nanners now! Gotta email Bugs  |
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parasitk I Play Loco Gigs
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Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 2:04 am Post subject: |
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So as posted elsewhere, I bananafied all of my Frac modules except my two Wiards. I'm leaving the Borg alone, because I still might sell it, depending on how I feel about the 292c clones I'm building. The Noise Ring just kind of scares me – I definitely need to talk to someone who's done this (Tom Bugs was suggested in another thread).
Binary Zone and Quad VCA are half finished because I don't have any switches here at the moment, nor 220K resistors. I also somehow killed the 4204 on the BZ. So I have a Mouser order to place tomorrow.
N00b questions:
Switch terminology still confuses me – what kind of switch should I be looking for?
The 220K "pullup" resistor is just a standard 220K resistor, right? "Pullup" is just describing what it's doing?
And finally a pic:
I also have some "in progress" pics here: http://twitpic.com/photos/parasitk
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| dkcg wrote: | | But in the end, it felt like I was playing WiiSoundMasterJedi. |
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Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 9:05 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | The 220K "pullup" resistor is just a standard 220K resistor, right? "Pullup" is just describing what it's doing? | Yup, pulling up the voltage. |
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Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 9:42 am Post subject: |
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| parasitk wrote: |
Switch terminology still confuses me – what kind of switch should I be looking for?
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I believe you would want a spdt with a On-none-On configuration. |
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Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 9:47 am Post subject: |
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| panda30y wrote: | | parasitk wrote: |
Switch terminology still confuses me – what kind of switch should I be looking for?
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I believe you would want a spdt with a On-none-On configuration. |
Which may also be referred to as SPDT C/O --- that means Single Pole (one switch element) Double Throw (can go two ways) Centre Off (has a central position where no connection is made) _________________ http://www.bugbrand.co.uk
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parasitk I Play Loco Gigs
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Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 11:47 am Post subject: |
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Thanks guys, I'll be ordering stuff today!  _________________ I, Parasite | Synth fuckery on Soundcloud
| dkcg wrote: | | But in the end, it felt like I was playing WiiSoundMasterJedi. |
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Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 8:20 pm Post subject: |
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| parasitk wrote: | | I'm leaving the Borg alone, because I still might sell it, depending on how I feel about the 292c clones I'm building. |
here's to success with the 929
perhaps you'll think of me if selling the borg  _________________ WTB: Miniwave Vowels & GR-New ROMs
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Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 8:30 pm Post subject: |
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| parasitk wrote: | Thanks guys, I'll be ordering stuff today!  |
+1 on the centre off toggles, I'm thinking I will swap out the standard ones I have in the MicroLFO & BZ right now, having an off position, especially with the BZ, is crazy usefull.
I really like the Modcan A scheme on the Fracs
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Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 5:46 am Post subject: |
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| parasitk wrote: | | .. The Noise Ring just kind of scares me – I definitely need to talk to someone who's done this (Tom Bugs was suggested in another thread)... |
It was actually relatively easy (as was the Borg) - I think Indexofmetals had a JAG too which I said NO to due to board mounted jacks (it could be done but would have been tricky and I didn't have the time).
Here's the pic I sent IoM after mod:
Jacks simply replaced with bananas (little bit of hole size increasement) and two sub-mini switches added for the normalization.
Sub-mini switches, if I remember right, were the only ones that'd fit without obscuring lots of the lettering. _________________ http://www.bugbrand.co.uk
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parasitk I Play Loco Gigs
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Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 9:45 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for the info and pic! You wouldn't happen to have a pic of the back of the module would you?  _________________ I, Parasite | Synth fuckery on Soundcloud
| dkcg wrote: | | But in the end, it felt like I was playing WiiSoundMasterJedi. |
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Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 10:58 am Post subject: |
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Bugs, when replacing normals like Ext Rate with switches I connect the jack to one side of a spdt switch, the wire feeding the circuit to the middle and the alternate source to the other side. That way when Ext Rate is switched to use the signal from Aux out, it's also disconnected from the jack so you don't have the possible problem of shorting two outputs together.
Maybe your tiny switches are spst though. |
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parasitk I Play Loco Gigs
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Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 8:57 pm Post subject: |
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My Binary Zone is fixed! Thanks to BananaPlug and DGTom for all the tips and help.
I punched a new hole for the switch, and left the jack where it was. I replaced the 4024 chip and all functions as expected. Did the pullup resistor thing, but I haven't tested it yet. I never really use that jack anyway
Next to finish: The QuadVCA and tackle that Noise Ring! _________________ I, Parasite | Synth fuckery on Soundcloud
| dkcg wrote: | | But in the end, it felt like I was playing WiiSoundMasterJedi. |
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