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Author matching transistors - DIY
delayed
Hi,
I am looking into this and see Ian Fritz, October 2010 article and Ray's MFOS article, Transistor Matching 101 under the Synth-DIY 101 tab within his website. The MFOS shows a little circuit and a larger GO no GO circuit.

Has anyone made up one of these? If using Ian's how do you swap the emitter leads easily. Setting up a switch perhaps?

Does anyone have some images of their testing bread board setup? Or better suggestions than these two examples?

I would like to see what other people are doing to match their transistors.

Thanks,
roglok
I built both on stripboard, the simple MFOS and Ian's. Both work fine, but Ian's is a lot simpler to build.

I used DIP sockets for testing the transistors. Left is Ray's, right Ian's:



Ray's is missing the power connector - was short of those and harvested it for a module oops
e-grad
Do these sockets work?

I had built a noise module with a socket for the noise source (transistor) some time ago. However, the transistor didn't made sufficent contact to make it feasible.
roglok
e-grad wrote:
Do these sockets work?

I had built a noise module with a socket for the noise source (transistor) some time ago. However, the transistor didn't made sufficent contact to make it feasible.


The machined sockets do work - not sure about the cheap ones. They actually sit in there quite firmly... Also keep in mind that this is only a temporary circuit...
qfactor
Roglok: so you used the 8-pin IC sockets for the transistors? How do the E-C-B pins of a transistor plug in?
roglok
qfactor wrote:
Roglok: so you used the 8-pin IC sockets for the transistors? How do the E-C-B pins of a transistor plug in?


You have to stretch them apart a little bit. I used a fine tipped permanent marker to designate the pinout directly on the stripboard. I can post a detail pic for you later...
roglok


I've inserted one transistor as illustration. If you look closely, you can make out the C B E markings next to the sockets. The lower two pins on each sockets are not used. You can see that one end of each 100K resistor has been bent upwards. These are the ends connected to the emitters and where I attach my DMM. Of course you could substituted this with something more robust, but since I don't match transistors every day it has worked just fine so far...
emmaker
You might check to see if the Ray Wilson circuit has the same flaw that the Moog schematic has. That is there needs to be a 10K resistor between the collector and emitter of the transistors in the PNP tester like the NPN one has.

Also keep in mind those sockets don't have a lot of insertion cycles. Might want to stack them 2-3 high and replace them as they wear out. That's a lot easier than having to unsolder and replace the one on the board.
J3RK
I have Ian's circuit permanently assigned to a small bread-board. Seems to do the trick quite nicely. I now only use monolithic matched pairs on rare occasions. I typically match them into groups, (by writing the values down and then grouping them by that) so I end up with maybe 5-6 good pairs after maybe 15-20 minutes of testing. That goes a fairly long way. thumbs up
emmaker
Did a quick look for the Moog flaw and found this:

http://www.dragonflyalley.com/constructionTransistorMatching.htm
fonik
i made myself a professional one-off PCB, but anyways, i use machined SIL sockets (single row, cut to the correct length. and they work fine. actually a little bit too good. i have to insert the transistors carefully in order not to bend the legs...
roglok
emmaker wrote:
Did a quick look for the Moog flaw and found this:

http://www.dragonflyalley.com/constructionTransistorMatching.htm


Bill and Will seem to be happy with DIP sockets, too grin

On a sidenote: I have previosuly matched pairs of 2N3904 and 2N3906 from the same batches - the VBE of almost all units tested was already within +/- 2mV of their counterpart without selection...

I guess this means that you can often just pop in any pair of modern transistors from the same batch and get satisfactory results...
kvitekp
Here's another version of MFOS Vbe matching tool: http://midisizer.com/vbe-matching, I still have a couple of spare pcbs.
delayed
kvitekp wrote:
Here's another version of MFOS Vbe matching tool: http://midisizer.com/vbe-matching, I still have a couple of spare pcbs.


how much would you want for 1 or 2 of the pcbs? feel free to pm me. thanks,
jonbstevens
I breadboarded Ian's when i wanted matched transistors for for CGS DUSG's. I get close to 2 octaves in tune once i've got them trimmed correctly.

I'm not sure what sort of tuning to expect with unmatched transistors, but i'm pretty happy.
fonik
okay, while the MFOS circuit is called 'simple', Ian Fritz' circuit really IS simple. and there is no need for a precise voltage supply or matched resistors.
just a set of three resistors, a diode, and a DPDT on-on switch for each NPN and PNP transistors:


Ian Fritz' Transistor Matcher by fonitronik, on Flickr
delayed
fonik wrote:
okay, while the MFOS circuit is called 'simple', Ian Fritz' circuit really IS simple. and there is no need for a precise voltage supply or matched resistors.
just a set of three resistors, a diode, and a DPDT on-on switch for each NPN and PNP transistors:


Ian Fritz' Transistor Matcher by fonitronik, on Flickr




Would you like to share your layout?
fonik
the eagle files, you mean? i would/could ask ian.
delayed
Yes, that would be good. Or just the SCH. I am guessing you set up the switch to swap the "e" and would like to see that part. A toner layout would even be better but I see that is asking a bit ++.
roglok
very handsome, matthias!
fonik
roglok wrote:
very handsome, matthias!

and small !!! Will have to mount it to a panel .
J3RK
fonik wrote:
okay, while the MFOS circuit is called 'simple', Ian Fritz' circuit really IS simple. and there is no need for a precise voltage supply or matched resistors.
just a set of three resistors, a diode, and a DPDT on-on switch for each NPN and PNP transistors:


Ian Fritz' Transistor Matcher by fonitronik, on Flickr


That is nice! thumbs up I'd much prefer to use that over my breadboarded version. Mr. Green

It would be cool to make a "Builder's Utility Module" that contained this, a tuning calibrator for 1V/Oct and maybe 1.2V/Oct, and maybe some peak level indicators or something along those lines.
frijitz
fonik wrote:
the eagle files, you mean? i would/could ask ian.

Of course, no problem. It's not like some clever invention, after all, basically just a Wheatstone bridge.

Ian
diablojoy
Quote:
That is nice! I'd much prefer to use that over my breadboarded version.

It would be cool to make a "Builder's Utility Module" that contained this, a tuning calibrator for 1V/Oct and maybe 1.2V/Oct, and maybe some peak level indicators or something along those lines.

seconded
an accurate note indicator would be very useful
qfactor
diablojoy wrote:
Quote:
That is nice! I'd much prefer to use that over my breadboarded version.

It would be cool to make a "Builder's Utility Module" that contained this, a tuning calibrator for 1V/Oct and maybe 1.2V/Oct, and maybe some peak level indicators or something along those lines.

seconded
an accurate note indicator would be very useful


An A440 reference tone in this module would be good too! thumbs up
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