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elektrodomestic
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 9:55 pm    Post subject: Silent way with Korg Ms-20 ? Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

I people, I want to know if anyone as tried ou Silent way with the korg Ms20 series. I know that with volta it has some isues i think because The MS-20 VCO CV input doesn't respond to bipolar voltages. It has a range of 0-8V, while MOTU interfaces have a range of about -4 to +4. Even if you only wanted to use half the range, the 0-4V range is so low pitched that pitch calibration doesn't work. So you have to add in an offset voltage. I dont have a motu around so I can test it, but I will get one with this works on a Ms20.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 9:57 pm    Post subject: Re: Silent way with Korg Ms-20 ? Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

By the way somebody told me this would work with volta

"The easiest way to do this is to add a ramp source and set the ramp to a constant value of about 0.6 to 0.75. The ramp and your voice pitch CVs will sum so your effective output will be 0to8V instead of -4to+4V. Then you can adjust the VCO scale and pitch knobs to get the base pitch into the range in which calibration will work. The calibration mode has to be set to Hz/V."

Hope this helps somebody

give it a test and let me know Thanks guys
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 2:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

In this thread there's a user who eventually got his MS-20 working with Silent Way:

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=255926&postdays=0&postor der=asc&start=30

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 3:26 am    Post subject: Re: Silent way with Korg Ms-20 ? Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

elektrodomestic wrote:
while MOTU interfaces have a range of about -4 to +4.


Recent models have a much larger range. E.g. the 828 mk3 is supposed to range from -9V to +9V (i.e. 18V range). That should then in theory work fine with the MS-20.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 10:20 am    Post subject: Re: Silent way with Korg Ms-20 ? Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

os wrote:
elektrodomestic wrote:
while MOTU interfaces have a range of about -4 to +4.


Recent models have a much larger range. E.g. the 828 mk3 is supposed to range from -9V to +9V (i.e. 18V range). That should then in theory work fine with the MS-20.



I was thinking buying a ultralite MkII in ebay, so this will not be my best buy, and probably wont work with kork Ms-20 ? or I will lost some control over keyboard octave range ?
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 10:53 am    Post subject: Re: Silent way with Korg Ms-20 ? Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

elektrodomestic wrote:
os wrote:
elektrodomestic wrote:
while MOTU interfaces have a range of about -4 to +4.


Recent models have a much larger range. E.g. the 828 mk3 is supposed to range from -9V to +9V (i.e. 18V range). That should then in theory work fine with the MS-20.



I was thinking buying a ultralite MkII in ebay, so this will not be my best buy, and probably wont work with kork Ms-20 ? or I will lost some control over keyboard octave range ?


Wasn't the MkII the model that never came out? Watch out on ebay if I'm right.

As for "recent models" that's not a reliable criteria. Some models have a lot more range than others without any relationship to new-ness. You should get a hold of the test results MOTU has.

If you have a mixer module of some sort that works with voltage it's quite easy to simply mix in some positive voltage and offset the negative range up out of negative.

I don't get the ramp comment. If the interface only does -4 to +4 then it on it's owncan generate can be more than +4. But if you externally can add more voltage via a mixer module or something then you are in business.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 1:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Agreed, I don't believe the Ultralite mk2 exists.

And agreed about that ramp thing. If the hardware will only output 4V, nothing you do in software will change that.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 4:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

I managed to get the Yamaha CS-30 running just fine over 67 octaves. This uses the same hz/volts that the Korg MS10/20 uses.

Couldn't get it to calibrate using Volta. Mess around with the oscilator i.e take off some of the filter so it can track easier to calibrate, try different wave forms.

Also use the headphone outputs as these put out a much higher voltage.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 4:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Analog>Plugins wrote:
I managed to get the Yamaha CS-30 running just fine over 67 octaves.


that's great news for my 804-key controller! razz razz
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 9:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

doh! lol I meant 6 to 7 octaves Dead Banana
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 5:41 pm    Post subject: Silent working with MS-20 Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

I just got the MS-20 working perfectly with Silent Way Voice Controller AU 1.4.0 G5 dual 2.5, OSX 10.4.11, DP 5.13, 424 card/24i/o > Synthesizers.com signal processor to add about 4V positive offset>MS-20. Didn't chart the octaves, but hey it works!!
Good job Expert Sleepers!
applause applause

Still haven't got Volta going with the MS-20 but will try again sometime soon.
Now I want to take a break testing and make music.
Or whatever we're calling these blippy noises.
I like to call my stuff 'pieces'.
That's pretty all encompassing considering that it covers 'pieces of shit' on up the scale.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 2:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

Awesome - thanks for testing and for the detailed results.

You'd more than qualify for the bounty by the way.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 11:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Add User to Ignore List

I got my MS20 going with my Motu 828 mk1 as follows:

(after maybe 2 days of pulling my hair out and refusing to accept it doesnt calibrate without a voltage offset!!!! : )

I used 2 insert Y-leads and plugged into outputs 7-8 (the others didnt work)

output 7 goes into the the 'FREQ' input of the ms20, which takes -5v - +5v, you need to set your EG1/EXT knob to 10

(I used the black end of the Y leads for connections)

output 8 goes into trigger, again using the black end of the Y- lead.

i used only OSC 2 and set it to 4' and triangle wave

AND BELIEVE IT OR NOT! I GET OVER 6 OCTAVES!!! YAY!!!!!


having much fun now smile
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