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Post by jamb » Tue Dec 04, 2012 10:35 am

since getting into modulars a few months ago, i've been trying to get my hands on a wiard filter boogie or borg 2, but they are hard to come by. i've decided to look into an alternative... i read the very informative frac filters thread, but i was hoping maybe someone can offer a bit more insight into these two specific blacet filters: FINAL FILTRE AND FILTHY FILTER. If you had to go with one, which do you pick? i'd prefer something more aggressive, more korg sounding, so maybe "filthy" is the way to go.... does anyone of sound samples or videos of either of these filters in action?

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Post by e-grad » Tue Dec 04, 2012 11:12 am

The Final Filtre is my favorite VCF! However, I'm not very much into typical synth sounds such as modulated filters.

The Final Filtre is great to shape an almost perfect sound and it makes an outstanding sound source itself. Blacet never has disappointed me with any of his modules.

IIRC there are a couple of reviews online at Analogue Heaven.

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Post by jamb » Tue Dec 04, 2012 11:23 am

cool thanks, i will look for those reviews... the more i'm reading the more appealing filthy sounds, though i still have my sights set on a boogie. someone sell me one!

side note: generally speaking of filters, the VCF on my octave cat is one mean filter.

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Post by scozbor » Tue Dec 04, 2012 4:20 pm

Have never owned the filthy but regret selling my final filter. was a great sounding filter with super useful envelope. I liken the sound to my dual filter which I also really like the sound of, but no CV of course. Still its a great EQ of sorts.

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Post by werock » Wed Dec 05, 2012 5:01 am

I can't find the exact thread(s), but I'm fairly sure Muff himself had some threads where he reviewed a lot of the Blacet modules including the filters. Could be quite a few pages back though...

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Post by Babaluma » Wed Dec 05, 2012 5:12 am

my favourite two filters for frac were the boogie and the motm 1490 (moog modular style low pass), and i tried a LOT! both sounded great and had loads of cools features. i'd hold out for one of those. didn't like the filthy, although i never tried a final...

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Post by fluxmonkey » Wed Dec 05, 2012 10:57 am

jamb,

i agree w/ you first thought... if you want something a little more agressive, the Filthy is the way to go. it's got some bite and character, but not so extreme that you couldn't use it as your only filter. would be a good complement to either of the wiard filters, if/when you can find one (they are so great, none of us that have 'em ever want to sell). another rare one to look out for is a mankato, but again good luck.

if you're willing to go DIY, there have been several runs of LPG printed circuit boards, and they are relatively easy builds. on the agressive side, the catgirl Synthacon (steiner inspired) is great, but a little more finicky to build.

agree w/ babaluma on the motm 1490 as a good plain vanilla filter (better than the final), but disagree abt the filthy. failing to find one fo the exotics, that pair (filthy/1490) give be a good complementary set.

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Post by Norman_Phay » Wed Dec 05, 2012 5:03 pm

Filthy is pretty great I think, nice and versatile, wide range of control (although narrower sweet spot as a result of this) Final I like but it is quite unusual sounding, there seems to be some kind of phase shift effect along with the filter at certain settings.

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Post by fluxmonkey » Wed Dec 05, 2012 5:15 pm

another option to think about: i wonder if the malekko versions of the borg/boogie would work on 15v? if so, you could probably buy one new and repackage it behind an FPD frac panel, cheaper than you could pick up an original frac version on the used market.

and just to add: i think personal subjective taste is more of a factor in picking filters than any other module. you just have to trust your own ears
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Post by dogoftears » Wed Dec 05, 2012 5:31 pm

try and find an MOTM 1490 like babz said. the blacet filters do leave something to be desired IMO.
i suppose you could also look out for the minijack version of the Bugbrand SVF.
plus any of the STG filters.
frac is weird for filters. but theyre out there.
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Post by synthcube » Wed Dec 05, 2012 8:29 pm

Seth nemec (ban analogue) did a nice Analog Metropolis 4075 clone in Frac, I think both full and a 'light' version. We are also working on a line of clone filters in frac and frac banana formats starting with the Analog Metropolis 4023 , in hopes of expanding frac filter options.

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Post by jamb » Wed Dec 05, 2012 10:24 pm

cool idea fluxmonkey, i'll look into it... i know those are made for 12v power, and i'd be a little nervous about testing on 15... i'll keep my eyes peeled for an motm 1490, they sound nice. emailed analog haven to see if they have any in stock. thanks y'all :chug:

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Post by werock » Mon Dec 10, 2012 11:27 am

synthcube wrote:Seth nemec (ban analogue) did a nice Analog Metropolis 4075 clone in Frac, I think both full and a 'light' version. We are also working on a line of clone filters in frac and frac banana formats starting with the Analog Metropolis 4023 , in hopes of expanding frac filter options.
Cool! Be interesting to see what you come up with.

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Post by negativspace » Mon Dec 10, 2012 11:58 am

Oh man, that 4023 is a screamer! I have one in my Euro, DIYd using one of Rob's boards. Really, really nice sounding module.

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Post by Norman_Phay » Mon Dec 10, 2012 12:22 pm

Depending on one's prelediction for DIY I doubt there's much available as a PCB/kit that won't fit behind a frac panel. See attached for an example - clearance on this is tight but it WILL fit in a frac rack:
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Post by Norman_Phay » Mon Dec 10, 2012 12:23 pm

Or this - DJ TW LPG
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Post by Norman_Phay » Mon Dec 10, 2012 12:24 pm

Or this - just ordered a variant on it - Oakley Synthesizers' "Superladder" this one not tried out yet!
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Post by jamb » Mon Dec 10, 2012 12:26 pm

synthcube wrote:Seth nemec (ban analogue) did a nice Analog Metropolis 4075 clone in Frac, I think both full and a 'light' version. We are also working on a line of clone filters in frac and frac banana formats starting with the Analog Metropolis 4023 , in hopes of expanding frac filter options.
exciting! can't wait to see that 4023. :tu:

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Post by chamomileshark » Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:18 pm

I'm not sure if you are looking for filthy the Boogie would suit you anyway - I find it very refined.
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Post by synthcube » Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:36 pm

This is SO NOT READY for prime time, because we are formally launching later in December along with the new website--- but here is a (very rough) photo of the 15V format AM4023 LPF . We are doing kits, assembled modules, PCBs, individual panels & parts for 1U&2U Frac and Frac Banana, a Buchla-esque one, 1U and 2U MOTM and a 2U dotcom (with dotcom panels by re:synthesis)

The MOTM 1U is done and tested; other mockups to be tested in the next couple of weeks.

Rob Keeble retains the rights to all his Euro versions of these modules. We have licensed the full range of his circuits for 15V formats.

Next Imageafter the AM4023 is 15V versions of the AM2140 ResFilter (SSM2220 and SSM2020 based) and the AM3320 VCF (CEM3320 based)

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Post by dogoftears » Mon Dec 10, 2012 2:08 pm

synthcube wrote:This is SO NOT READY for prime time, because we are formally launching later in December along with the new website--- but here is a (very rough) photo of the 15V format AM4023 LPF . We are doing kits, assembled modules, PCBs, individual panels & parts for 1U&2U Frac and Frac Banana, a Buchla-esque one, 1U and 2U MOTM and a 2U dotcom (with dotcom panels by re:synthesis)

The MOTM 1U is done and tested; other mockups to be tested in the next couple of weeks.

Rob Keeble retains the rights to all his Euro versions of these modules. We have licensed the full range of his circuits for 15V formats.

Next Imageafter the AM4023 is 15V versions of the AM2140 ResFilter (SSM2220 and SSM2020 based) and the AM3320 VCF (CEM3320 based)
woah!!! new banana frac! the modular gods have smiled upon us.
please tell me this module will be shallow...
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ps- the knobs on the jack frac panels are personally not to my taste. i'll take blacet style rubber or davies any day.
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Post by synthcube » Mon Dec 10, 2012 2:25 pm

define 'shallow' :roll:

feedback noted about the knobs... still looking at options... original blacet style hard/impossible to come by but maybe davies

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Post by dogoftears » Mon Dec 10, 2012 2:39 pm

synthcube wrote:define 'shallow' :roll:

feedback noted about the knobs... still looking at options... original blacet style hard/impossible to come by but maybe davies
davies are good.

shallow would be enough to fit in a bugbrand rack... those are like 3 inches.
really shallow would fit in a bugbrand shallow case... which i believe is closer to 1 inch.
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Post by e-grad » Mon Dec 10, 2012 2:41 pm

synthcube wrote:feedback noted about the knobs... still looking at options... original blacet style hard/impossible to come by but maybe davies
I use Davies clones from Small Bear for (almost) all my DIY stuff. They are very reasonably priced and great looking.

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Post by jamb » Mon Dec 10, 2012 3:48 pm

dogoftears wrote:
synthcube wrote:define 'shallow' :roll:

feedback noted about the knobs... still looking at options... original blacet style hard/impossible to come by but maybe davies
davies are good.
2nd the davies

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