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Re: Ladik love

Post by PhineasFreak » Sun Feb 02, 2020 1:36 pm

Fabong wrote:
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sko87pro wrote:
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J-120 Comparator
I am 100% going to pick up one of these, not exactly a sexy module but very useful looking.

I bet you could build a decent analogue computer with Ladik modules!
there's a very good reason i sunk a chunk o cash into ladik modules for my generative sequencing case - one of each of the myriad of mathematical/logical/comoputational/whatever modules is a real core setup for building generative setups - and i'm in severe danger of buying some duplicates of stuff like the derivator, comparator and probability skippers...
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Re: Ladik love

Post by sko87pro » Mon Feb 03, 2020 1:10 am

Fabong wrote:I bet you could build a decent analogue computer with Ladik modules!
+1
I really want to do this, perhaps we should start a thread for folks to share ideas. I’ve been thinking for a while about a hybrid music computer in Eurorack, harnessing the simultaneous nature of analogue computing with the instruction switching of digital.

I think the piece that’s missing for me is a voltage addressed CV array of sufficient size. You can find 16-step sequencers that are CV addressable, but the architecture I have in mind needs hundreds of stored CVs which can be used as instructions or as values directed into functions: essentially a large array of random access sample & holds (RASH) at the heart of the system.

The other pieces exist today: clocks, adders, comparators, switches and matrices - all have lots of options.

Thoughts?

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MindMachine wrote:
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deftinwulf wrote:So, what's everyone's all-time-favorite Ladik module?
C-015 Gated Slew - excellent for adding auto generated occasional portamento/slides.

Most used: J-110 Derivator
I absolutely love the gatable slew 8-) Such a fantistic little module that does so much to spice up my bass sequences

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acidbob wrote:
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I absolutely love the gatable slew 8-) Such a fantistic little module that does so much to spice up my bass sequences
Do you have any recordings that demonstrate the effect?
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Post by acidbob » Mon Feb 03, 2020 6:45 am

Sadly not right now, but I could try and make one.
Basically I just use it for pitchbend/slides and sequencer to filter slew with another gate for whenever I want to have a slower response - either directly or in between the EG and filter VC

Earlier comment from Ladik is that you can use any CV signal to activate the slew, as long as it's over 2,5V.

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Re: Ladik love

Post by electricanada » Mon Feb 03, 2020 11:49 am

sko87pro wrote:
Mon Feb 03, 2020 1:10 am
Fabong wrote:I bet you could build a decent analogue computer with Ladik modules!
+1
I really want to do this, perhaps we should start a thread for folks to share ideas. I’ve been thinking for a while about a hybrid music computer in Eurorack, harnessing the simultaneous nature of analogue computing with the instruction switching of digital.

I think the piece that’s missing for me is a voltage addressed CV array of sufficient size. You can find 16-step sequencers that are CV addressable, but the architecture I have in mind needs hundreds of stored CVs which can be used as instructions or as values directed into functions: essentially a large array of random access sample & holds (RASH) at the heart of the system.

The other pieces exist today: clocks, adders, comparators, switches and matrices - all have lots of options.

Thoughts?
I suggest a new thread for this. What would be the musical function of the RASH you describe?
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Re: Ladik love

Post by Risc_Terilia » Mon Feb 03, 2020 11:58 am

Certainly it could work as a quantiser

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Re: Ladik love

Post by Fabong » Mon Feb 03, 2020 4:40 pm

sko87pro wrote:
Mon Feb 03, 2020 1:10 am
Fabong wrote:I bet you could build a decent analogue computer with Ladik modules!
+1
I really want to do this, perhaps we should start a thread for folks to share ideas. I’ve been thinking for a while about a hybrid music computer in Eurorack, harnessing the simultaneous nature of analogue computing with the instruction switching of digital.

I think the piece that’s missing for me is a voltage addressed CV array of sufficient size. You can find 16-step sequencers that are CV addressable, but the architecture I have in mind needs hundreds of stored CVs which can be used as instructions or as values directed into functions: essentially a large array of random access sample & holds (RASH) at the heart of the system.

The other pieces exist today: clocks, adders, comparators, switches and matrices - all have lots of options.

Thoughts?
This kind of thing is interesting to me in and of itself but the musical possibilities are pretty massive if you were willing to dedicate yourself to learning your new instrument.
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sko87pro wrote:
Mon Feb 03, 2020 1:10 am
Fabong wrote:I bet you could build a decent analogue computer with Ladik modules!
+1
I really want to do this, perhaps we should start a thread for folks to share ideas.
Thoughts?
Please do. RASH talk should start in another thread. Looking forward to it. Maybe in general category, even though its Ladik aspect is Eurorack?
Either way, please start a new thread so we can talk about it, without cluttering this fine thread.

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Re: Ladik love

Post by sko87pro » Tue Feb 04, 2020 8:24 am

Will do, must indeed preserve this great thread.

And I just got notification that my modules shipped from Ladik! Exciting!

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Re: Ladik love

Post by fredke » Wed Feb 05, 2020 1:58 am

Ladik modules' best feature is their price !

They're very affordable (most cost about 60 euros), simple, yet super serious.
I own a few and would recommend the brand.

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Re: Ladik love

Post by hinterlands303 » Wed Feb 05, 2020 11:14 am

Does anyone have experience with a-541 2ch balanced line out w/ meters? Or if not, with any of the modules in the metered line out family? I'm wondering how clean the output is, if there's any noise etc. . I was thinking of replacing my WMD Pro Output with this because the level knobs would come in handy for me plus the metering is a cool bonus (plus I don't need headphone outs).

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Re: Ladik love

Post by thetechnobear » Tue Feb 11, 2020 8:28 am

I recently got some Ladik modules for line input and output - excellent modules, good value, and only 4hp - and turned up quickly.


so definitely lots of ladik love here...
I'm now really interested in some of their more esoteric modules :)

Fabong wrote:
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I bet you could build a decent analogue computer with Ladik modules!
what would you start with?

my rack is currently quite conventional, Ive got voices, filtering, sequencing, modulation and midi kind of covered.
but I'd like to spice it up a bit, either with something to mangle or generate alternative sequencing or some off the wall audio processing,
and the idea of doing this with analog computer type setup sounds appealing - but where to start?

I guess id like to keep the HP down, but saying that I guess there are some fairly important modules that would need to be included.
also (without going to far OT) I was wondering if there might be some ADDAC modules that could be good matches!?

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Post by Paranormal Patroler » Tue Feb 11, 2020 8:34 am

I've been working towards a Ladik computer for a while now - I mean, his designs are absolutely perfect for such purposes. Logic options, switches, clever implentation of very basic functions, it's all there. I'm also a big ADDAC System fan and a Ladik fan :hihi: and I can say that these two work great together.
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Re: Ladik love

Post by thetechnobear » Tue Feb 11, 2020 8:41 am

what would you recommend as a kind starting point... as ive really got nothing in this area at the moment.
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Re: Ladik love

Post by Shledge » Tue Feb 11, 2020 8:42 am

sko87pro wrote:
Mon Feb 03, 2020 1:10 am
Fabong wrote:I bet you could build a decent analogue computer with Ladik modules!
+1
I really want to do this, perhaps we should start a thread for folks to share ideas. I’ve been thinking for a while about a hybrid music computer in Eurorack, harnessing the simultaneous nature of analogue computing with the instruction switching of digital.

I think the piece that’s missing for me is a voltage addressed CV array of sufficient size. You can find 16-step sequencers that are CV addressable, but the architecture I have in mind needs hundreds of stored CVs which can be used as instructions or as values directed into functions: essentially a large array of random access sample & holds (RASH) at the heart of the system.

The other pieces exist today: clocks, adders, comparators, switches and matrices - all have lots of options.

Thoughts?
+2

Considering modulars already are just specialised analogue computers, it wouldn't be difficult to make one for such purposes. A lot of the general purpose analogue computer components eg. multiplier, adders etc. are really the likes of VCAs, filters, slew generators etc. under different names.

I vaguely remember people making a reaction game using solely a serge modular... :hmm:

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Post by thetechnobear » Tue Feb 11, 2020 9:20 am

so here is my idea for a starting point
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the general idea :
- modulation, sequences and clock from existing rack ( see my other racks on MG)
- using Bela Salt (or Pepper) as a digital voltage store (I have these already)
- addac vc stochastic generator as a main source of modulation (I dont have maths, so been considering this anyway)
- addac sum/difference for creating some more variety

then over to the ladik modules, to mangle these... and perhaps the composer N/G to give me some more interesting things to blend in.

I'll also need to make sure I have quantisers and buff mults (or cv mix?) to help get things back into 'order' for the voice modules,
perhaps also utilities like offset/attenuverters.

I already have some control surfaces to help feed the cv, e.g. madrona labs soundplane... and some bela trill on the way, but perhaps i might need to consider adding some simple switches and pots (for constant voltages?)

thoughts?
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Post by Risc_Terilia » Tue Feb 11, 2020 9:38 am

For this sort of system the Doepfer A152 voltage addressed switch would be invaluable especially since it can store 8 voltages as well.

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Post by Shledge » Tue Feb 11, 2020 10:21 am

The A-152 suffers from voltage droop - not ideal in this case. Probably would be better to have a bank of digital S&H modules or a digital sequencer that can take CV inputs as either can hold onto a voltage indefinitely.

Could also look into an ASR or turing machine - can hold multiple voltages in sequence. A CV recorder could work too, like the Flame quad CV recorder.

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Post by Risc_Terilia » Tue Feb 11, 2020 11:01 am

Shledge wrote:
Tue Feb 11, 2020 10:21 am
The A-152 suffers from voltage droop - not ideal in this case. Probably would be better to have a bank of digital S&H modules or a digital sequencer that can take CV inputs as either can hold onto a voltage indefinitely.

Could also look into an ASR or turing machine - can hold multiple voltages in sequence. A CV recorder could work too, like the Flame quad CV recorder.
Oh that's a shame. In any case the voltage addressed switch would be very useful just for it's core functionality.

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Post by kpreid » Tue Feb 11, 2020 11:13 am

Since we're talking about analog computers: does Ladik (or anyone else) have any module that provides a raw integrator? Not a slew limiter or LPF, which seeks the input voltage, but a module where the rate of change of the output voltage is proportional (within limits) to the input voltage, either positive or negative.

(Of course it would be subject to drift.)

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Re: Ladik love

Post by Paranormal Patroler » Wed Feb 12, 2020 3:36 am

thetechnobear wrote:
Tue Feb 11, 2020 8:41 am
what would you recommend as a kind starting point... as ive really got nothing in this area at the moment.
It really depends on what your end-goal with that particular case is.

I have 25 different models of Ladik modules (some twice), and 20 ADDAC System modules - not all of these occupy the same cases, depending on what the case is focused on. A good example of a case that was build around both Ladik and ADDAC System modules is my piano composition case (you can see simple examples of it in use here, here, and here), where modules such as the ADDAC503 Marble Physics and ADDAC306 VC Transitions (disclaimer: worked on this module) work closely with Composer G, Composer N (both highly suggested modules) and Gatsby (a simply beautiful design!). In another case the M-218 and ADDAC222 (disclaimer: I worked on both CV-to-MIDI modules) work hand in hand, along with Skipper, ADDAC206 Switch and ADDAC304 button controller. My physical modeling string case wouldn't be half as playable without the U-081 slider module (disclaimer: worked on this one), the Derivator, ADDAC215 Dual S&H (disclaimer: worked on this one) and the Dual Lag - they provide all the realism in the bow movement and rate-of-change (re: pseudo-velocity) which influences everything. The ADDAC506 is absolutely ingenious as well for such applications, as each envelope can be a bit different, which is super useful in physical modeling.

So lots of applications. I think both companies offer unique solutions, with clever controls and some additional seasoning of magic. That's not something I can say for most manufacturers. Definitely in my top 3 list of companies in the Eurorack world.

From an exclusively computing side of things Ladik has things like the Comparator, Derivator, Joystick Math, R-110 Random triggers/gates, Gatsby, Dual probability skipper, S-410 Shaper (definitely underrated), and many others (lot of Boolean logic and switches) that you should look into. I've been flirting with the idea of making a case that acts as modular computer that only contains modules that have no on-board controls (re: no knobs), so that it's only patchable. Very old school! I delved down that path a few years back with Ladik & Doepfer modules exclusively with very interesting results.

I hope the above is of help, or at least serves as a starting point. Let me know if you have any specific questions.
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Re: Ladik love

Post by mmpingo » Wed Feb 12, 2020 8:42 am

I consider purchasind an AR envelope. One of these three models: C-030, C-035 (+env. gen.) C-041 (double).
I assume they all are based ot the same circuit. The question is - are they SNAPPY?

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Post by Foghorn » Wed Feb 12, 2020 8:50 am

mmpingo wrote:The question is - are they SNAPPY?
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If by snappy you mean can the attack go down to zero time, then yes.

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Re: Ladik love

Post by mmpingo » Wed Feb 12, 2020 9:17 am

Yes, snappy = attack almost 0 ms. Thanks.
I make a lot of fast sequences and arpeggios, so it's important.

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