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Re: Shuttle Control by Endorphines

Post by Wubz » Mon Apr 20, 2020 9:54 am

Nelson1978 wrote:
Sun Apr 19, 2020 5:27 pm
Hey guys, thinking to buy a Shuttle Control as i have a Octatrack and can sequence my modular with it. Now 2 questions

1- I read that Octatrack doesn t send midi over usb cable, so any cheap Thomann cable USB to MIDI will do it ? (To connect to the Shuttle Control)

2- Users that have Elektron Octatrack, is it a step foward to sequence modular to lets say , a Beatstep pro ?

Thinking to add a Shuttle control to my litlle system but have afraid that it takes much time to configure stuff.

What are your thoughts ?
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I have a couple different midi to usb convertors that both work. One is a roland and rthe other uis some cheap Amazon one.

It's leagues above a beatstep pro. Parameter locking control voltages and having midi lfo's and a whole lot more.

Check out the config pafge if you haven''t already, to get an idea of the options. https://www.endorphin.es/cargo4/

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Re: Shuttle Control by Endorphines

Post by Nelson1978 » Mon Apr 20, 2020 5:45 pm

ratchet wrote:
Mon Apr 20, 2020 4:08 am
1. You're going to need some way to convert the din midi to USB MIDI. You can do it through the computer (if you have an interface) or use the Endorphin.es Shuttle Mate. Which is designed for this task - https://www.endorphin.es/assets/endorph ... l_1.02.pdf

I can't answer regarding Thomman USB to MIDI stuff.

2. It will be different. That may or may not be good for you. How do you find the Octatrack MIDI sequencer?
Well, its Elektron. I really like their sequencers..

The Shuttle Control is easy to configure with the web app and will store 16 preset configurations. Just set up your favourites in a matter of minutes, save and you're good to go

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Re: Shuttle Control by Endorphines

Post by Nelson1978 » Mon Apr 20, 2020 5:48 pm

Manny thanks guys for your help :)

Does anyone wanna share the template for the Octatrack or Digitakt ? Its allways nice , so we can share some ideias and tips

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Re: Shuttle Control by Endorphines

Post by Switchzik » Tue Apr 28, 2020 1:21 pm

I haven't find anything about it but any one has tried to use it with a Bluetooth dongle to do midi over Bluetooth ?
I would love it with my ipad

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Re: Shuttle Control by Endorphines

Post by klick » Tue Apr 28, 2020 1:53 pm

looks like the cme widi bud is doing the job with the shuttle control ! did not tested personally, but I know people using it.

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Re: Shuttle Control by Endorphines

Post by Struggle » Tue Apr 28, 2020 2:05 pm

Nelson1978 wrote:
Mon Apr 20, 2020 5:48 pm
Manny thanks guys for your help :)

Does anyone wanna share the template for the Octatrack or Digitakt ? Its allways nice , so we can share some ideias and tips
I just got a Digitakt and plan on using it a lot with the SC, but haven’t had time to explore yet. There’s a great video on YouTube that Endorphin.es did if you need some ideas.


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Re: Shuttle Control by Endorphines

Post by Switchzik » Tue Apr 28, 2020 2:23 pm

klick wrote:
Tue Apr 28, 2020 1:53 pm
looks like the cme widi bud is doing the job with the shuttle control ! did not tested personally, but I know people using it.
Thank ! Looks great :)

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Re: Shuttle Control by Endorphines

Post by Wubz » Wed Apr 29, 2020 9:41 am

I normally have a couple pitch/gate combos, a clock, couple random voltages and some midi ccs. Then go crazy parameter locking.
Nelson1978 wrote:
Mon Apr 20, 2020 5:48 pm
Manny thanks guys for your help :)

Does anyone wanna share the template for the Octatrack or Digitakt ? Its allways nice , so we can share some ideias and tips

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Re: Shuttle Control by Endorphines

Post by Sinamsis » Wed Apr 29, 2020 8:23 pm

I think of making presets for shuttle control in terms of function, not MIDI source. For instance a preset I have made can be used with a cirklon, or an octatrack or a digitakt. The machine used should be able to assign midi channel per track. Otherwise you might create a preset with 8 pitch cvs and 8 gates, with each gate/pitch cv pair assigned to a given MIDI channel. This would allow any of those sequencer to accomplish this goal. You could do 4 voices with pitch, gate, velocity and CC value per voice each assigned to a MIDI channel. And so on. The options are almost limitless. At one point I hade a Digitakt controlling 3 chained shuttle controls. Haha. It was fun but I was sending so much data the SCs would choke on it. I believe endorphines has worked in it since then to improve on that functionality.

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Re: Shuttle Control by Endorphines

Post by Nelson1978 » Thu May 14, 2020 7:47 am

Heyy great idea here :) I will try for sure
Thanks

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Re: Shuttle Control by Endorphines

Post by beku » Fri May 15, 2020 12:43 pm

About a month ago i bought a shuttle control at schneiders.
Module had the 3.9r2 firmware installed so i upgraded to 4. It worked well for a few hours, then the module started to get really hot, the lights began to blink wildly and it made a fast clicking noise.
See a vid of the behaviour here.
It did this both with external power and busboard...
So i talked to endorphines support, sent the module back to schneiders.
While i wait for the exchange to happen i bought a second one (since i wanted two anyways).

Got the module 2 days ago. Updated firmware, created a config with the web editor, made some track with it to test it out.
The next day i wanted to work some more on the track, the whole configuration of the module was lost.
Since i had it backed up as midi file i tried to revert it without success.
Did some more testing with voltimeter and oscilloscope...
Seemed like all the voltages were extremely off so i started the calibrator webapp:

1. I set Voltimeter to 20v range on dc
2. Connect voltimeter to CV-1
3. Hit "Set all to -3V"
4. Voltimeter shows -2.23V.
5. I enter -2230 in the box.
6. Hit "write" button.
7. Hit "Test Calibrated -3v"
8. Voltimeter shows -3.76v

When i test for positive voltages things get even more hilarious:

1. "Set all to +3v": Multimeter -> 5.97v
2. Value in Box -> 5970 -> Hit write
3. "Test calibrated +3V": Multimeter -> 8.42V

Why is the value getting bigger? Am i doing this wrong?

When i test for 0V i get readings of 1.87v / Calibrated 0.7.

Now the strangest thing: When i hit read button i get "-10413" in all +3V boxes...

Also tried to downgrade to 3.9r2 without success. The calibration is totally messed up.

Anyone else had that kind of issues with the SC?

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Re: Shuttle Control by Endorphines

Post by beku » Sun May 31, 2020 5:55 am

For anyone else with said calibration issue:

Connect the shuttle control to a usb hub with individual on/off switches.
Set the ports with the SC connected to "off".
Module will still be recognized and calibration will be correct.
There seems to be some issue with the module on direct connection and receiving power via usb somehow.
I have 2 shuttle control now (one rev8 and one rev 7.something) and both behave the same.
Also tried different Laptops and Euro Cases. The only fix for me was the usb hub.

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Re: Shuttle Control by Endorphines

Post by RecycleYourPets » Sun May 31, 2020 8:27 am

beku wrote:
Sun May 31, 2020 5:55 am
For anyone else with said calibration issue:

Connect the shuttle control to a usb hub with individual on/off switches.
Set the ports with the SC connected to "off".
Module will still be recognized and calibration will be correct.
There seems to be some issue with the module on direct connection and receiving power via usb somehow.
I have 2 shuttle control now (one rev8 and one rev 7.something) and both behave the same.
Also tried different Laptops and Euro Cases. The only fix for me was the usb hub.
not calibration related, but for your two shuttle controls, do you daisy chain them? (from usb host on the one connected to the hub ->to device on the 2nd one) or do you plug them in individually? I have two as well and noticed that chaining them together resulted in a lot of latency and it generally getting bogged down if i would send a ton of midi CC messages, but totally fine when connecting each individually to my cpu.
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Re: Shuttle Control by Endorphines

Post by beku » Sun May 31, 2020 12:28 pm

not calibration related, but for your two shuttle controls, do you daisy chain them?
I did not try that yet since i was busy getting them to work at all (see my initial post). One of them had its cpu burned (according to andreas from endorphin.es) and i just got the replacement two days ago.
If it helps you troubleshoot, i could try the daisychain setup.

Btw.: How do you use the cargo4 setup tool with your two SC?
I noticed that only one is detected at a time so i always have to unplug one if changes are needed.
When i use them in my DAW they get enumerated correctly, though.
Is it the same for you?

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Re: Shuttle Control by Endorphines

Post by Riggar » Tue Jun 02, 2020 2:46 am

by beku - re usb hub with individual port switches ... something like this ??
https://www.sabrent.com/product/HB-UM43 ... -switches/

or should it be usb 2? - https://www.sabrent.com/product/HB-UMLS ... hes-black/

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Re: Shuttle Control by Endorphines

Post by beku » Tue Jun 02, 2020 4:04 pm

Riggar wrote:
Tue Jun 02, 2020 2:46 am
by beku - re usb hub with individual port switches ... something like this ??
https://www.sabrent.com/product/HB-UM43 ... -switches/

or should it be usb 2? - https://www.sabrent.com/product/HB-UMLS ... hes-black/
Yes, something like that.
This is exactly the one i use.
When i had the module directly connected. It stayed on, even after turning the power off on the eurorack case. Also the calibration was extremely off. Now with the hub those issues are solved. The hub seems to only cut the power to the module but leave the data. If other hubs do it the same way, i dont know.

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Re: Shuttle Control by Endorphines

Post by youwe9 » Sun Jun 21, 2020 6:30 am

Hi,
I try to save presets on my Ipad via dropbox integration. I am using WebMidiBrowser.
Unfortunately I can´t get it to work -- it says "no communication with endorphin.es" or it does not connect to dropbox
am I doing something wrong? is there an other way to save/recall presets?

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Re: Shuttle Control by Endorphines

Post by Davnak » Tue Jun 30, 2020 2:17 pm

Randome question:

I fell like I'm missing something. What is the point of having two "host" USB ports? I know the Shuttle Control can only handle data transfer of one "host" port at a time, so why have two, especially since I can't use the other USB port as a sort of "midi thru" to connect other synths over USB.

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Re: Shuttle Control by Endorphines

Post by klick » Tue Jun 30, 2020 4:39 pm

one usage I strongly love, is to connect a usb light. There is many great ones, and many are good enough to allow to playing in fully dark rooms.

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