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Re: O|D ER-301: Sound Computer (Temporarily Unavailable)

Post by studio460 » Mon Mar 01, 2021 9:58 pm

dubonaire wrote:
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Thanks for the quick reply! How do you think it compares to the coming Mordax GXN?
They are not really the same. The E-301 does much more, has a lot more I/O and is designed so custom units can be shared. http://wiki.orthogonaldevices.com/index ... Essentials

There is also the Percussa SSP https://www.percussa.com/
Oh, gotcha, thanks.
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Post by brandonlogic » Tue Mar 02, 2021 4:38 pm

studio460 wrote:
Mon Mar 01, 2021 7:28 pm
I've been wanting one of these since I read about it on Muffs when I first joined. A few questions:

1. What was the original MSRP?
2. Why are these such unobtainium?
3. I gather the units were built-to-order, but that has been suspended. Will production start up ever again?

Since I mainly like sampler/buffer stuff, especially time-stretching (e.g., 0.01x-speed), the ER-301 was the holy grail. I was planning on getting a Synthesis Technology E520 since it also goes down to 0.01x-speed (and has an eight-minute stereo-buffer), but since its focus isn't as a sampler, I passed. I guess I'll just wait for the Mordax GXN, which I'm guessing is the next best thing to a 301.
another option-
idk if you need something that can save multiple samples, but if not, mutable beads can do time scratching infinitely slow. just follows your lfo. if you had a lfo that could complete a cycle in 24 hours, you could time stretch a couple second sample to 24 hours, or whatever time length you need...
similar to manual grains on the er301

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Re: O|D ER-301: Sound Computer (Temporarily Unavailable)

Post by nexgen23 » Thu Mar 04, 2021 10:01 pm

With how hard these are to get (at least at a decent price) it would be awesome if someone took this firmware release and developed a version of the ER-301 to run in VCV rack (assuming that is possible), for us with an ES-8 or ES-9 and no way to get a real ER-301 (ATM anyway) :)
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Re: O|D ER-301: Sound Computer (Temporarily Unavailable)

Post by Sleepfc » Thu Mar 04, 2021 10:12 pm

nexgen23 wrote:
Thu Mar 04, 2021 10:01 pm
With how hard these are to get (at least at a decent price) it would be awesome if someone took this firmware release and developed a version of the ER-301 to run in VCV rack, for us with an ES-8 or ES-9 and no way to get a real ER-301 ATM :)
It won’t feel or be the same whatsoever. Down voted haha

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Re: O|D ER-301: Sound Computer (Temporarily Unavailable)

Post by nexgen23 » Thu Mar 04, 2021 10:30 pm

Sleepfc wrote:
Thu Mar 04, 2021 10:12 pm
nexgen23 wrote:
Thu Mar 04, 2021 10:01 pm
With how hard these are to get (at least at a decent price) it would be awesome if someone took this firmware release and developed a version of the ER-301 to run in VCV rack, for us with an ES-8 or ES-9 and no way to get a real ER-301 ATM :)
It won’t feel or be the same whatsoever. Down voted haha
I know, but it would still be fun to play with it and see what it is like at least :) I mean hell, we can do everything the 301 can do in VCV already, but I just want to see what the interface is like, and what the actual device is capable of so when the time comes to get the hardware, I know all about it. Hopefully with the release of v0.6 they will start shipping again soon.

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Post by dooj88 » Fri Mar 05, 2021 10:49 am

nexgen23 wrote:
Thu Mar 04, 2021 10:30 pm
Sleepfc wrote:
Thu Mar 04, 2021 10:12 pm
nexgen23 wrote:
Thu Mar 04, 2021 10:01 pm
With how hard these are to get (at least at a decent price) it would be awesome if someone took this firmware release and developed a version of the ER-301 to run in VCV rack, for us with an ES-8 or ES-9 and no way to get a real ER-301 ATM :)
It won’t feel or be the same whatsoever. Down voted haha
I know, but it would still be fun to play with it and see what it is like at least :) I mean hell, we can do everything the 301 can do in VCV already, but I just want to see what the interface is like, and what the actual device is capable of so when the time comes to get the hardware, I know all about it. Hopefully with the release of v0.6 they will start shipping again soon.
a certain point, unless you're after a specific unit, your time is probably better served exploring other methods to get the sound you want. a virtual modular environment inside a virtual modular environment isn't particularly efficient with a mouse and keyboard.

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Re: O|D ER-301: Sound Computer (Temporarily Unavailable)

Post by nexgen23 » Fri Mar 05, 2021 12:12 pm

dooj88 wrote:
Fri Mar 05, 2021 10:49 am
nexgen23 wrote:
Thu Mar 04, 2021 10:30 pm
Sleepfc wrote:
Thu Mar 04, 2021 10:12 pm
nexgen23 wrote:
Thu Mar 04, 2021 10:01 pm
With how hard these are to get (at least at a decent price) it would be awesome if someone took this firmware release and developed a version of the ER-301 to run in VCV rack, for us with an ES-8 or ES-9 and no way to get a real ER-301 ATM :)
It won’t feel or be the same whatsoever. Down voted haha
I know, but it would still be fun to play with it and see what it is like at least :) I mean hell, we can do everything the 301 can do in VCV already, but I just want to see what the interface is like, and what the actual device is capable of so when the time comes to get the hardware, I know all about it. Hopefully with the release of v0.6 they will start shipping again soon.
a certain point, unless you're after a specific unit, your time is probably better served exploring other methods to get the sound you want. a virtual modular environment inside a virtual modular environment isn't particularly efficient with a mouse and keyboard.
Totally agree, and it is probably not worth someone's time, I just want to be able to play with it and see how it works lol.

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Re: O|D ER-301: Sound Computer (Temporarily Unavailable)

Post by Thedoge » Mon Mar 08, 2021 6:10 pm

Hey guys, I've a question about using the ER-301 as a drum machine, I know you can use a track for trigger different samples but is it possible to assign different trigger inputs on the ER for launch the different samples from the same track? Also I read something about the lag on the input, is that very noticeable? Thank you :)

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Post by mosorensen » Mon Mar 08, 2021 6:40 pm

Thedoge wrote:
Mon Mar 08, 2021 6:10 pm
Hey guys, I've a question about using the ER-301 as a drum machine, I know you can use a track for trigger different samples but is it possible to assign different trigger inputs on the ER for launch the different samples from the same track? Also I read something about the lag on the input, is that very noticeable? Thank you :)
Certainly, put a bunch of mixers in a track, maybe start with two or three, one after another. In each mixer put a sample player. Load the sample players with different samples, and set them to respond to triggers from different inputs. Voila.

In fact, I have track four set up this way, with one twist. I have sliced each sample with a few slightly different drum sounds, say a sample with slightly different closed hihats. When I trigger the sample, it picks a random slice, to mix up the sound a bit.

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Post by geremyf » Mon Mar 08, 2021 10:29 pm

yeah I use my er-301 for everything, but I have one chain for drumming duties (typically kick, open/closed hats, clap, snare and tom). However I trigger them using i2c from the teletype, so no wires required. As far as lag, I'm sure there is some, but not noticeable to me up to 180 bpm (all of my music is below 180 bpm). In fact I have experimented with very slight random delays to the trigger input to 'humanize' the hats and tom.

So typically in a patch, the ER-301 will have a drum chain, a sample chain, an oscillator chain (which goes out of the 301 and into filters and effects, then back into the 301) and final mixer chain (with appropriate compressors, stereo placement, and limiter).

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Post by Thedoge » Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:09 am

mosorensen wrote:
Mon Mar 08, 2021 6:40 pm
Thedoge wrote:
Mon Mar 08, 2021 6:10 pm
Hey guys, I've a question about using the ER-301 as a drum machine, I know you can use a track for trigger different samples but is it possible to assign different trigger inputs on the ER for launch the different samples from the same track? Also I read something about the lag on the input, is that very noticeable? Thank you :)
Certainly, put a bunch of mixers in a track, maybe start with two or three, one after another. In each mixer put a sample player. Load the sample players with different samples, and set them to respond to triggers from different inputs. Voila.

In fact, I have track four set up this way, with one twist. I have sliced each sample with a few slightly different drum sounds, say a sample with slightly different closed hihats. When I trigger the sample, it picks a random slice, to mix up the sound a bit.
geremyf wrote:
Mon Mar 08, 2021 10:29 pm
yeah I use my er-301 for everything, but I have one chain for drumming duties (typically kick, open/closed hats, clap, snare and tom). However I trigger them using i2c from the teletype, so no wires required. As far as lag, I'm sure there is some, but not noticeable to me up to 180 bpm (all of my music is below 180 bpm). In fact I have experimented with very slight random delays to the trigger input to 'humanize' the hats and tom.

So typically in a patch, the ER-301 will have a drum chain, a sample chain, an oscillator chain (which goes out of the 301 and into filters and effects, then back into the 301) and final mixer chain (with appropriate compressors, stereo placement, and limiter).
Massive :hail:

Thank you sooo much guys

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Post by SavageMessiah » Tue Mar 09, 2021 10:45 am

IIRC the lag in the normal firmware is 8ms. There's a low latency firmware that I think halves that at the cost of being more CPU intensive (so you are more limited in what you can do). I've heard that 8ms of lag can be noticeable in a very tight beat coordinated with stuff outside of er-301 if the listener is very astute. That seems crazy to me but I have no sense of rhythm so I'm a terrible judge lol.

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Post by Thedoge » Tue Mar 09, 2021 1:54 pm

SavageMessiah wrote:
Tue Mar 09, 2021 10:45 am
IIRC the lag in the normal firmware is 8ms. There's a low latency firmware that I think halves that at the cost of being more CPU intensive (so you are more limited in what you can do). I've heard that 8ms of lag can be noticeable in a very tight beat coordinated with stuff outside of er-301 if the listener is very astute. That seems crazy to me but I have no sense of rhythm so I'm a terrible judge lol.
8ms shouldn't be that much I think but I'll see (when shop turns open again of course)

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Post by elinch » Fri Mar 12, 2021 10:55 am

8 looper loops 112 ems vcs3 track



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elinch wrote:
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8 looper loops 112 ems vcs3 track
Wowza! :yay:
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elinch wrote:
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very beautiful

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Post by iheartmodular » Mon Mar 15, 2021 7:43 am

nexgen23 wrote:
Thu Mar 04, 2021 10:01 pm
With how hard these are to get (at least at a decent price) it would be awesome if someone took this firmware release and developed a version of the ER-301 to run in VCV rack (assuming that is possible), for us with an ES-8 or ES-9 and no way to get a real ER-301 (ATM anyway) :)
100% correct, but why limit yourself to a 301 emulation? It's a poor choice and a compromise on every level.

Use an ES-9 and VCVRack, or MAX4Live and control surface of your choice and leap light years ahead.

Everything is better, 100x? more processing power, better UI, almost same amount of IO, bigger screen, epic reverbs including the new hybrid convolution/algo reverb in Live 11 and all the ValhallaDSP reverbs, etc. you can get proper sync and even full range CV Out which the 301 will never do!

There's nothing in the 301 that can't be improved upon by using an actual computer and an ES-9.

The only downsides are that it is a lot more expensive and there's more equipment, but since when has that stopped anyone?
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Double post sorry
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Post by nexgen23 » Tue Mar 16, 2021 2:05 pm

Dang it, my phone screwed my up and I did a triple post. Please delete
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Re: O|D ER-301: Sound Computer (Temporarily Unavailable)

Post by nexgen23 » Tue Mar 16, 2021 2:05 pm

iheartmodular wrote:
Mon Mar 15, 2021 7:43 am
100% correct, but why limit yourself to a 301 emulation? It's a poor choice and a compromise on every level.

Use an ES-9 and VCVRack, or MAX4Live and control surface of your choice and leap light years ahead.

Everything is better, 100x? more processing power, better UI, almost same amount of IO, bigger screen, epic reverbs including the new hybrid convolution/algo reverb in Live 11 and all the ValhallaDSP reverbs, etc. you can get proper sync and even full range CV Out which the 301 will never do!

There's nothing in the 301 that can't be improved upon by using an actual computer and an ES-9.

The only downsides are that it is a lot more expensive and there's more equipment, but since when has that stopped anyone?
Good points, I have an ES9 in my rack, but sometimes I just don't feel like using the computer :) I got the emulator up and running on my computer, and am enjoying playing around with it. Now if I could just find an actual ER-301 to buy :(

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Post by a773 » Wed Mar 17, 2021 6:57 am

iheartmodular wrote:
Mon Mar 15, 2021 7:43 am
There's nothing in the 301 that can't be improved upon by using an actual computer and an ES-9.
I'm running 100x triggers/gates and 100x cv signals over i2c from teletype to er301. Super tight integration of algorithmic stuff.

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Post by nexgen23 » Fri Mar 26, 2021 12:43 am

Since the firmware has become open source, what possibilities now exist?

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Post by slumberjack » Fri Mar 26, 2021 1:33 am

a773 wrote:
Wed Mar 17, 2021 6:57 am
I'm running 100x triggers/gates and 100x cv signals over i2c from teletype to er301. Super tight integration of algorithmic stuff.
Would you like to share an excerpt of this work? :razz: :guinness: :oops:
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Post by dubonaire » Fri Mar 26, 2021 2:06 am

a773 wrote:
Wed Mar 17, 2021 6:57 am
iheartmodular wrote:
Mon Mar 15, 2021 7:43 am
There's nothing in the 301 that can't be improved upon by using an actual computer and an ES-9.
I'm running 100x triggers/gates and 100x cv signals over i2c from teletype to er301. Super tight integration of algorithmic stuff.
That's insane!

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