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Post by meatbeatz » Thu Mar 01, 2018 2:31 am

nectarios wrote:From my understanding (and it always works for me like this) the quantisation follows the incoming clock. So when you quantise, it will quantise to the incoming clock's resolution.

The aformentioned tables are actually multiplications of the incoming clock so if you want to program some trills/ratchets or whatever they are called, you can go into fill mode and record fills so that they become your trigger patterns.

I started programming patterns manually by tapping in the triggers. After I figured out how fill mode works, I mostly program patterns by recording in fills after loading ABC tables that fire fills at multiplications of the incoming clock and for me this is where the strength of the 4BR, is and why I dig it so much.
ah ok so in that case the rhythms (or fills) can only divisions of the incoming clock not multiplications? ie you can only quantize to the resolution of the incoming clock?

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Post by nectarios » Thu Mar 01, 2018 2:44 am

meatbeatz wrote:
nectarios wrote:From my understanding (and it always works for me like this) the quantisation follows the incoming clock. So when you quantise, it will quantise to the incoming clock's resolution.

The aformentioned tables are actually multiplications of the incoming clock so if you want to program some trills/ratchets or whatever they are called, you can go into fill mode and record fills so that they become your trigger patterns.

I started programming patterns manually by tapping in the triggers. After I figured out how fill mode works, I mostly program patterns by recording in fills after loading ABC tables that fire fills at multiplications of the incoming clock and for me this is where the strength of the 4BR, is and why I dig it so much.
ah ok so in that case the rhythms (or fills) can only divisions of the incoming clock not multiplications? ie you can only quantize to the resolution of the incoming clock?
They quantize to the resolution of the clock, but fills (and patterns) have tables (a,b,c, d I think is random, don't remember being away from the modular, but try a,b,c) that are both divisions and multiplications that are relative to the incoming clock.

Try this, go to Fill mode and load a,b,c table and when you press a button activating fills, move the TABLE knob from CCW to CW and look at the incoming clock.
The same applies to patterns.

The thing that took a bit for me to remember is that I can load different tables to patterns and differen tables to fills.

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Post by meatbeatz » Thu Mar 01, 2018 4:06 am

nectarios wrote:They quantize to the resolution of the clock, but fills (and patterns) have tables (a,b,c, d I think is random, don't remember being away from the modular, but try a,b,c) that are both divisions and multiplications that are relative to the incoming clock.

Try this, go to Fill mode and load a,b,c table and when you press a button activating fills, move the TABLE knob from CCW to CW and look at the incoming clock.
The same applies to patterns.

The thing that took a bit for me to remember is that I can load different tables to patterns and differen tables to fills.
very nice, I'll give it a go. thanks!

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Post by Karabekian » Thu Mar 01, 2018 11:31 am

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Bishop Dust wrote:For different quantize option use the fill mode with the A B C D banks :)
There's no mention of this in the manual. Can you explain more? Are you able to quantise at a multiple of the incoming clock (eg clock = 16ths, quantization = 32nds)?
I think I'm really frustrated with this 'cause I feel like there's a lot that isn't mentioned in the manual.

Would love to see more tutorial videos or anything that further demystifies this thing. I've read over the manual several times and I still don't feel like I can create anything beyond slightly accented techno. I was hoping to do a little more than this.

Quite often when I press the fill buttons, nothing happens.

It would be great to see visual examples of what the saved pattern banks look like on a grid. Would be really helpful to get my head around whether it's me, or the module.

I'm clocking it with a trigger from PAMS at x1 of the clock. Set at 24 PPQN if that helps.

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Post by Karabekian » Thu Mar 01, 2018 11:33 am

nectarios wrote: The thing that took a bit for me to remember is that I can load different tables to patterns and differen tables to fills.
Are you saying that I can load different tables to different pads? Ie. Table 5 loaded to the kick drum and table 3 loaded to the snare?

If so, how would I do this?

I've got my head around loading the patterns and (I guess now...) fills. But, everything just sounds so rigid. I'm sure it's not meant to, so I'm trying to figure out what I'm doing wrong.

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Post by nectarios » Thu Mar 01, 2018 12:33 pm

Karabekian wrote:
nectarios wrote: The thing that took a bit for me to remember is that I can load different tables to patterns and differen tables to fills.
Are you saying that I can load different tables to different pads? Ie. Table 5 loaded to the kick drum and table 3 loaded to the snare?

If so, how would I do this?

I've got my head around loading the patterns and (I guess now...) fills. But, everything just sounds so rigid. I'm sure it's not meant to, so I'm trying to figure out what I'm doing wrong.
Nope, I am saying that you can load say Table X as a pattern and Table Y as a Fill.

Dunno if you've seen this video, just posting as it helped me a lot.

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Post by Karabekian » Fri Mar 02, 2018 9:57 am

The utility tables definitely helped me. Had a lot of success with this last night.

I think what I may have done is over written the saved factory patterns with blank ones. I performed the factory reset, but this only restores the utility tables if I'm correct. There isn't any way to get the original patterns back?

Question about pattern recording and the tables:

The knob for table has 8 slots - Can I record 8 different patterns into one table?


Question about erase:

Is it possible to record a fill in and erase parts of it? I can only ever seem to erase the whole thing.

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Post by tenshun » Fri Mar 02, 2018 10:22 am

To erase part of a fill. Select the mute option and then Press record. While its recording. Press the pad that has the recorded sequence during the part you want to erase. It will erase that part of the sequence for the duration of the button press.

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Post by Bishop Dust » Fri Mar 02, 2018 3:52 pm

Karabekian wrote:
Question about pattern recording and the tables:

The knob for table has 8 slots - Can I record 8 different patterns into one table.
About nomenclature there are 16 slots of 8 tables. And so yes you can record 8 different patterns in 8 different tables and scan those tables with the pot or the cv in.

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Post by Bishop Dust » Fri Mar 02, 2018 4:00 pm

Karabekian wrote:
meatbeatz wrote:
Bishop Dust wrote:For different quantize option use the fill mode with the A B C D banks :)
There's no mention of this in the manual. Can you explain more? Are you able to quantise at a multiple of the incoming clock (eg clock = 16ths, quantization = 32nds)?
I think I'm really frustrated with this 'cause I feel like there's a lot that isn't mentioned in the manual.

Would love to see more tutorial videos or anything that further demystifies this thing. I've read over the manual several times and I still don't feel like I can create anything beyond slightly accented techno. I was hoping to do a little more than this.

Quite often when I press the fill buttons, nothing happens.

It would be great to see visual examples of what the saved pattern banks look like on a grid. Would be really helpful to get my head around whether it's me, or the module.

I'm clocking it with a trigger from PAMS at x1 of the clock. Set at 24 PPQN if that helps.
For a noreal application of the Rook you should feed the module with a 4 ppqn clock.

Strange you Don t have any reaction when pressing the keys in fill mode. Retry with the correct ppqn and try loading another slot for the fil mode ...

We ll do some videos in a close future to demonstrate some nice solutions to create beats

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Post by Karabekian » Sat Mar 03, 2018 5:40 pm

Bishop Dust wrote: Strange you Don t have any reaction when pressing the keys in fill mode. Retry with the correct ppqn and try loading another slot for the fil mode ...
I think this is because in the early minutes I've been loading tables wrong and saving over the tables with blank tables. Fill works fine for me on the utility modes.
Bishop Dust wrote: We ll do some videos in a close future to demonstrate some nice solutions to create beats
That would be great to see! I hope it doesn't feel like I'm too negative about the module. It's beautifully made and I just want to unleash its full potential :hyper:

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Post by Bishop Dust » Sat Mar 03, 2018 9:17 pm

Karabekian wrote:
Bishop Dust wrote: Strange you Don t have any reaction when pressing the keys in fill mode. Retry with the correct ppqn and try loading another slot for the fil mode ...
I think this is because in the early minutes I've been loading tables wrong and saving over the tables with blank tables. Fill works fine for me on the utility modes.
Bishop Dust wrote: We ll do some videos in a close future to demonstrate some nice solutions to create beats
That would be great to see! I hope it doesn't feel like I'm too negative about the module. It's beautifully made and I just want to unleash its full potential :hyper:
No problem and glad this was simple saving a blank pattern error !

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Post by Mashmore » Sat Mar 17, 2018 5:28 pm

What logic modules would you peeps recommend to pair with the rook? For cv I'm pairing with the O_c and Sapel which is the bees knees. Im using Pams as the master clock FYI. How about a ratcheting clock divider? Open to suggestions here. Cheers!

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Post by Bishop Dust » Sun Mar 18, 2018 11:11 am

Mashmore wrote:What logic modules would you peeps recommend to pair with the rook? For cv I'm pairing with the O_c and Sapel which is the bees knees. Im using Pams as the master clock FYI. How about a ratcheting clock divider? Open to suggestions here. Cheers!
My recommandation is the Klavis Logica - for ratcheting do not forget to use A B C D tables in fill mode :hihi:

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Post by Mashmore » Sun Mar 18, 2018 3:11 pm

Bishop Dust wrote:
Mashmore wrote:What logic modules would you peeps recommend to pair with the rook? For cv I'm pairing with the O_c and Sapel which is the bees knees. Im using Pams as the master clock FYI. How about a ratcheting clock divider? Open to suggestions here. Cheers!
My recommandation is the Klavis Logica - for ratcheting do not forget to use A B C D tables in fill mode :hihi:

I own the twin waves and am super impressed with the build quality. The logica has been on my radar for sure. thanks for the suggestion.

And yes fill modes A-D are fantastic!

Just out of curiosity, any plans on adding more algorithms?

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Post by Mashmore » Sun Mar 18, 2018 3:24 pm

Here are some quick noodles from this weekend. In my system the rook is definitely the centerpiece. Triggering my plaits,just friends, and twin waves.

I was asking about the logics because I think the magneto’s four clk outs would pair well with the rook and some logic.



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Post by Mashmore » Sat Mar 24, 2018 7:40 pm

In fill mode "A" is usually my go to. I clock it with Pams new workout at x4.

There are times I wish the resolution of the Table knob could give a little bit more in terms of divisions. Instead of 8 divisions would it be possible to get 16 divisions?

The way it is currnetly setup i will say i like where the sweet spots are when tweaking. (For me it is between 12 o'clock and 3 o'clock) But there are times i wish this range would be greater. That would save from having to change the divisions in pams.

I guess feeding a couple different clocks to a sequential switch before sending to the rook could be a fun work around also.

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Post by Tumulishroomaroom » Fri Apr 13, 2018 5:06 am

Hi !

I have the Knight's Gallop which I like a lot but sometimes I wish I had more hands on control and truly separate channel so I'm naturally turning towards the FBR. Do people with some experience with this module have gelled with the UI ? The demo video is excellent but I just fear that some modes may be confusing; do you find that to be the case ?

Anyway this looks really playable and fun to use so there's a good chance I'll end up with one soon.

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Post by nectarios » Fri Apr 13, 2018 5:36 am

Tumulishroomaroom wrote:Hi !

I have the Knight's Gallop which I like a lot but sometimes I wish I had more hands on control and truly separate channel so I'm naturally turning towards the FBR. Do people with some experience with this module have gelled with the UI ? The demo video is excellent but I just fear that some modes may be confusing; do you find that to be the case ?

Anyway this looks really playable and fun to use so there's a good chance I'll end up with one soon.
Its as simple or as involved as you wish.

I found that I needed to read the manual *and* watch the videos, more than once to get stuff out of it, that involved fills and ratchets.
The module has a philosophy of its own, but I gelled with it.

As with pretty much any module, how much it is difficult or simple, ultimately comes down to the time you spend understanding the module.

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Post by Tumulishroomaroom » Fri Apr 13, 2018 5:42 am

Thanks for your answer. Of course it seems like quite a deep module with several layers that need to be studied for muscle memory. It seems to me watching the videos that there's a first layer, really hands on (the manual playing and basic tables stuff), and that you get go way deeper as you get confortable with the module to powerfully edit your rhythms.

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Post by nectarios » Fri Apr 13, 2018 5:56 am

Tumulishroomaroom wrote:Thanks for your answer. Of course it seems like quite a deep module with several layers that need to be studied for muscle memory. It seems to me watching the videos that there's a first layer, really hands on (the manual playing and basic tables stuff), and that you get go way deeper as you get confortable with the module to powerfully edit your rhythms.
The thing with the 4BR is that it gives you more than one way to create a rhythm. Which one you like the most, is up to you. But personally, its a brilliant module to record a basic beat, send it to crazy IDM territory and then come back to where you where. You can do that manually, or with CV.

Also, its the fastest module for recording trills/ratches and going back to simple trigs by automating the TABLE knob. Furthermore, you can select the steps/length of the sequence and "window" into it with the Shift knob.

This is one of the modules that needs to be played/programmed to get a feel for, imo.

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Post by Hi5 » Fri Apr 13, 2018 11:11 am

Have a 4BR arriving today so can report back but after multiple reads of the manual and watching the videos on repeat It seems fairly straight forward once I can actually get my hands on it. Familiarity with the tables and fills will help but the general functionality seems very hands on. More involved than the Kinght's Gallop but still fairly direct.
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Post by tenshun » Tue Apr 17, 2018 8:21 pm

Anyone having issues clocking the four Bricks Rooks with certain modules?

For some reason it wont recognize the External Clock output of my Make Noise Wooglebug MK2.

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Post by nectarios » Wed Apr 18, 2018 2:44 am

tenshun wrote:Anyone having issues clocking the four Bricks Rooks with certain modules?

For some reason it wont recognize the External Clock output of my Make Noise Wooglebug MK2.
Make sure you are sending the "thinnest" pulse you have available on your system.

I had the same issue, then decided to clock the 4BR from a MIDI trigger in Ableton Live and it was when the trigger was *very* short that the 4BR would pick up the incoming clock.

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Post by Mercutio » Wed Apr 18, 2018 3:00 am

tenshun wrote:Anyone having issues clocking the four Bricks Rooks with certain modules?

For some reason it wont recognize the External Clock output of my Make Noise Wooglebug MK2.
I have issue wit the clock out of mt SH MK2 but as i need to clock my A 160 too...i use a buffered multiple (Mutable) and everything works !

The reset out works directly in the reset in of the four bricks

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