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Re: Malekko Heavy Industries Voltage Block

Post by Gringo Starr » Sat Nov 21, 2020 2:47 pm

Im considering getting the VB but I’m wondering if it would be overkill. I’m not interested in using it for melodic sequences. I’m wanting to use it more for modulation. Anyone else use it mainly for this purpose?

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Re: Malekko Heavy Industries Voltage Block

Post by celestial tomes » Sat Nov 21, 2020 2:53 pm

For sure, great modulation source. Probably better for that than sequencing pitch because you really need an attenuverter to get more control over the frequency range.

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Re: Malekko Heavy Industries Voltage Block

Post by Ivo Ivanov » Sat Nov 21, 2020 3:05 pm

Gringo Starr wrote:
Sat Nov 21, 2020 2:47 pm
Im considering getting the VB but I’m wondering if it would be overkill. I’m not interested in using it for melodic sequences. I’m wanting to use it more for modulation. Anyone else use it mainly for this purpose?
That's what most people use it for: modulation. For pitch sequencing, it's a bit of a bear because of the 0-5v limit and those short sliders. That and the lack of visibility over what's happening on any of the channels (other than some blinking LEDs which don't help much) bugs me the most in regular use. That said, I think the VB is a rad module and I seem to find a use for it in every other patch.

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Re: Malekko Heavy Industries Voltage Block

Post by Gringo Starr » Sat Nov 21, 2020 3:12 pm

This is a module for some reason I never looked too closely at until recently. My sequencing duties are fulfilled so I was just curious about this. Thanks for the responses. I think I’m gonna give this a shot.

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Re: Malekko Heavy Industries Voltage Block

Post by Gambeat » Sat Nov 21, 2020 3:18 pm

Its good for many things, especially with modules with many CV in like Basimilus Iteritas Alter

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Re: Malekko Heavy Industries Voltage Block

Post by Hovercraft » Sat Nov 21, 2020 8:57 pm

Not sure if this is common knowledge, because I stumbled on it by accident--Malekko has posted a firmware update for the new version VB's on their website.

https://malekkoheavyindustry.com/voltage-block-updates/

It seems to have fixed a few issues noted earlier in the thread, and there's now an octave restrict function per step--which should be a big improvement for melodic sequences.

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Re: Malekko Heavy Industries Voltage Block

Post by Fedor » Sat Nov 21, 2020 9:28 pm

Ah, mine is too old, 1.2 :) But I've been doing doing pitch sequencing with it regardless. Its fun to mix 2-3 channels into a quantizer.

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Re: Malekko Heavy Industries Voltage Block

Post by Treibstoff » Sun Nov 22, 2020 2:12 am

I have a dark blue PCB not red. I dont have any Revision on that PCB. So this is not the new one and no possibility to upgrade the firmware? Maybe someone with the new PCBs can take a picture of it and post it here?

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Post by HelmutGeist » Sun Nov 22, 2020 6:16 am

Hovercraft wrote:
Sat Nov 21, 2020 8:57 pm
Not sure if this is common knowledge, because I stumbled on it by accident--Malekko has posted a firmware update for the new version VB's on their website.

https://malekkoheavyindustry.com/voltage-block-updates/

It seems to have fixed a few issues noted earlier in the thread, and there's now an octave restrict function per step--which should be a big improvement for melodic sequences.
Great! Wouldn't have found this otherwise! Thanks dude!

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Re: Malekko Heavy Industries Voltage Block

Post by funeralcake » Sun Nov 22, 2020 7:39 am

Hm... I might have to try to sell my too-old one to help pay for one that can actually be updated, particularly since I use it so often for melodic sequencing. Even more now, since getting a Trigger Riot.

By the way, a cool "some day" update would be a way to backup saved banks by outputting a data stream from one jack, which could be recorded and subsequently reloaded the same way the firmware is loaded on newer versions via the clk/cv input... It's obviously not the most elegant solution in 2020, but if it's possible to make it work with the jack output/input interface, I'm happy to use it. I don't expect it to ever happen, though... or maybe it's already possible and I was just too lazy to read the whole manual...?
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Re: Malekko Heavy Industries Voltage Block

Post by BlinkyLights » Sun Nov 22, 2020 3:47 pm

I love mine for modulation.

Would never use it for melodic sequences, myself.

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Re: Malekko Heavy Industries Voltage Block

Post by Gringo Starr » Mon Nov 23, 2020 12:01 am

Treibstoff wrote:
Sun Nov 22, 2020 2:12 am
I have a dark blue PCB not red. I dont have any Revision on that PCB. So this is not the new one and no possibility to upgrade the firmware? Maybe someone with the new PCBs can take a picture of it and post it here?
Are the new PCB’s suppose to be red?

Ahhh just looked. It should be black and say v1.5

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Re: Malekko Heavy Industries Voltage Block

Post by Treibstoff » Mon Nov 23, 2020 1:38 am

Gringo Starr wrote:
Mon Nov 23, 2020 12:01 am
Treibstoff wrote:
Sun Nov 22, 2020 2:12 am
I have a dark blue PCB not red. I dont have any Revision on that PCB. So this is not the new one and no possibility to upgrade the firmware? Maybe someone with the new PCBs can take a picture of it and post it here?
Are the new PCB’s suppose to be red?

Ahhh just looked. It should be black and say v1.5
No, red pcbs are probably the very first version of VB´s. I have a dark blue one and had the hope that its one of the the new ones, but it isnt unfortunately :(

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Re: Malekko Heavy Industries Voltage Block

Post by Raindeer » Sun Dec 20, 2020 7:55 am

I’m thinking of using VB for both melodic sequencing and modulation across the different channels. Looking at alternatives to Varigate for gate sequencing.

I have some 1U space... so would Steppy 1U be good for this and has anyone tried the VB-Steppy combo?
Cheers

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Re: Malekko Heavy Industries Voltage Block

Post by Polyterative » Mon Dec 21, 2020 8:08 am

Raindeer wrote:
Sun Dec 20, 2020 7:55 am
I’m thinking of using VB for both melodic sequencing and modulation across the different channels. Looking at alternatives to Varigate for gate sequencing.

I have some 1U space... so would Steppy 1U be good for this and has anyone tried the VB-Steppy combo?
Cheers
I'm about to. Got a VB now waiting for a steppy 1U (6 months in waiting list, sigh...)
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Re: Malekko Heavy Industries Voltage Block

Post by jschussler » Tue Dec 22, 2020 8:18 pm

Has anyone successfully upgraded their firmware? I've tried both straight out of the iPhone and via a headphone amplifier at high gain, but no joy.

If you got it done, please share your setup....

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Re: Malekko Heavy Industries Voltage Block

Post by Joey P. » Tue Dec 22, 2020 10:30 pm

jschussler wrote:
Tue Dec 22, 2020 8:18 pm
Has anyone successfully upgraded their firmware? I've tried both straight out of the iPhone and via a headphone amplifier at high gain, but no joy.

If you got it done, please share your setup....
Used my audio interface (line level) into Intellijel case i/o board and 1U i/o module. Line level was very hot....just below peaking the i/o input LED indicator. So output of that into VB was basically eurorack level....in other words, needs to be HOT.

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Re: Malekko Heavy Industries Voltage Block

Post by jschussler » Tue Dec 22, 2020 11:18 pm

Finally got it to work. Ran the iPhone out into the WMD Performance mixer, turned the channel gain all the way up, the master all the way up, all the things all the way up...and it worked.

That's not "hot," that's "surface of the sun" hot.

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Re: Malekko Heavy Industries Voltage Block

Post by Polyterative » Wed Dec 23, 2020 4:44 pm

Yeah i've tried like 20 times before cranking the volume up. Needs to me hotter than-3dB(0dB @10V for reference) pretty much.
It's sensitive but the update works and I have to encouter a bug to date. The old hardware revision with the red pcb was freezing often, the 1.5 works as intended.
Would love more direct communication from malekko tho, buying a used VB is risky is you don't know about the PCB and upgradability thing
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Re: Malekko Heavy Industries Voltage Block

Post by Polyterative » Fri Jan 01, 2021 6:53 am

Polyterative wrote:
Mon Dec 21, 2020 8:08 am
Raindeer wrote:
Sun Dec 20, 2020 7:55 am
I’m thinking of using VB for both melodic sequencing and modulation across the different channels. Looking at alternatives to Varigate for gate sequencing.

I have some 1U space... so would Steppy 1U be good for this and has anyone tried the VB-Steppy combo?
Cheers
I'm about to. Got a VB now waiting for a steppy 1U (6 months in waiting list, sigh...)
Okay steppy came in so I played with it for a couple of days now.
It works nice with the VB, I enjoy being able to clearly see the steps as they are about to fire on the steppy and the voltages on the VB.

The only thing to keep in mind is the reset, you need to find a way to reset them simultaniously because if you use different measures on the two they can go out of sync easily (for examble 6 steps on the steppy and and 8 on the VB).
I am doing it with a syncronized pulse from my Batumi, but you need to think about this is you want to use the VB and steppy together. If I want to play with the reset i wire up my Falistri which has a manual button that fires a pulse. Multing the pulse then does the trick.

So yeah good experience so far.
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Re: Malekko Heavy Industries Voltage Block

Post by Conatus » Wed Feb 03, 2021 11:29 am

Hi all, I tried looking up posts regarding my question but wasn't lucky… If this doesn't belong here or it has been asked before please let me know!

I recently got myself a VB to accompany my Varigate 4+ & Basimilus and modulating the BIA is fun like this. I do run into some problems though and I'm hoping that someone can point me in the right direction :)

The thing is, VB in slave mode works fine as long as Varigate functions as the main clock, i.e. as it sends a clock out to my other rack where my 4ms QCD disrtibutes clock signals to the rest, and clock to VB through the busboard. So far so good.
The Varigate however is only controlling the BIA and I don't want to have that running the whole time.

When I use the QCD as my main clock and send a clock to the Varigate, the Voltage Block doesn't listen to the Varigate very well. It runs, but it keeps running when I stop the Varigate, only resetting when the Varigate is being stopped.

This way it's quite impractical to start a drum sequence at any given time…

Varigate, VB and BIA are in the same skiff. My main rack has the QCD and there's a Mother 32 (standalone) and a Matriarch in the system too.

My question is, is this normal behaviour or am I missing something?

ps. the VB has blue pcb's and serial #VB4638

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Re: Malekko Heavy Industries Voltage Block

Post by dekeship » Wed Feb 03, 2021 11:53 am

Hey Conatus,

I don’t have any experience with the QCD, but I’ve run into a similar problem when I tried to clock a VB to another 4ms module, the Dual Looping Delay. On the DLD, the clock runs constantly, regardless of whether or their modules are running or stopped.

Easiest fix is to use Varigate as the master and slave the VB and QCD to it. If you need to use the QCD as the master clock, don’t slave the VB, patch it into one of the 4 clock outs on the QCD and patch the RESET OUT from the Varigate -> the RESET on the QCD channel where the VB is patched. It won’t stop the VB, but the VB will at least start on the 1.

Hope this helps. Good luck. 🍀

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Re: Malekko Heavy Industries Voltage Block

Post by 1n » Wed Feb 03, 2021 12:18 pm

Gringo Starr wrote:
Sat Nov 21, 2020 2:47 pm
Im considering getting the VB but I’m wondering if it would be overkill. I’m not interested in using it for melodic sequences. I’m wanting to use it more for modulation. Anyone else use it mainly for this purpose?
It's the most accessible unit I've used for modulation - had to sell a couple of years back and found different ways to do some of the things it does. If I had space and cash, I'd get another.

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Re: Malekko Heavy Industries Voltage Block

Post by Conatus » Wed Feb 03, 2021 12:27 pm

Thanks, really appreciated!
Unfortunately this doesn't work. Seems like a mess with Malekko :)

Using the Varigate as a master clock will stop the rest of my system when I stop the drums.

Giving Varigate a clock in, will transfer the clock to the VB and keeping it running the whole time. The VB only resets on stopping the Varigate, pressing play does not affect the VB at all.
The reset on the Varigate is an input unfortunately (I did try if it would send out a reset too, but no :) )

I've tried with all diff setting on the VB (clk/slave) and it appears not to work :/

Let me rethink this whole thing one more time here! :D

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Re: Malekko Heavy Industries Voltage Block

Post by Iskar » Sat Feb 06, 2021 1:46 pm

I have an issue with a dead channel, It is not muted itjust doesn´t record anything. The led on the slider turn red when I move it, but nothing happens on the top led of that channel after that. Any workaround to reboot/flash the whole module somehow? The total silence from Malekko is not of any help. So please if you have any ideas then I am all ears.

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