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Post by a773 » Sat Aug 11, 2018 1:08 pm

Have been playing with plonk since I got it two days ago, mostly making my own sounds. I noticed that when going for hh-ish sounds, the high frequence only sound becomes a low/midrange click with short delay, is that normal? I was expecting just a really short high frequency sound. Anything I should aim for in the settings to avoid it?

Also one of the tall trimmers is really tight, looks like it might be physically pushed towards one side of the hole in the faceplate, others have had this, and maybe can suggest a solution?

The module was bought brand new...

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Post by Parnelli » Sat Aug 11, 2018 4:33 pm

I've had one for over half a year now. When I got it the RH Y input pot was real tight, but as I used it it freed up some, never had a problem with it.

As for the HH thing there are (depending on the voice) many adjustments to make; filters being one of them, also decay, along with a few other things. I haven't really delved into these too much, as I've been pretty happy with the sounds it has. Having a filter set wrong or a very short decay might cause the kind of problem you were explaining.

Hope that helps!

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Post by a773 » Sun Aug 12, 2018 6:33 pm

Thanks!

Yeah, I suppose the pot will loosen uo with use, just a bit surprised it case this way, considering it’s intellijel.

Would like more precise input on the click on short delay issue, though. I tried various settings for filters on the noise, including attack and decay, but wasn’t able to get rid of the midrange click. If it’s how the plonk works, I bet others have noticed it, and hopefully found a way to get rid of it.

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Post by kisielk » Sun Aug 12, 2018 7:27 pm

It's hard to say without knowing all your patch settings. The voice architecture is fairly simple with nothing weird going on. You have a mix of an impulse and noise through a filter that is enveloped, and those are sent into the resonator.
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Post by cloudleft » Sun Aug 19, 2018 8:28 pm

From the manual: "TRIG - Triggers the exciter in response to a gate. The gate must have a duration of at least one millisecond to be detected by the module."

Is there likewise a minimum "cooldown" time before Plonk can process another trigger?

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Post by Umcorps » Mon Aug 20, 2018 1:50 am

Addendum to this question:-

What is the minimum voltage that Plonk recognises as a trigger?


Asking because when using triggers from a midi clock divided down from Endorphines Shuttle Control my Plonk is skipping some of them.

Best theory I have is that the Shuttle Control voltage levels are probably not much more than Plonks trigger threshold.

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Post by cloudleft » Mon Aug 20, 2018 11:24 am

Umcorps wrote:Addendum to this question:-

What is the minimum voltage that Plonk recognises as a trigger?
Based on an earlier comment from one of the devs, it looks like the threshold is around 0.8V!

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Post by Umcorps » Mon Aug 20, 2018 11:54 am

cloudleft wrote:
Umcorps wrote:Addendum to this question:-

What is the minimum voltage that Plonk recognises as a trigger?
Based on an earlier comment from one of the devs, it looks like the threshold is around 0.8V!
Ah! I need a new theory then.

Back to the drawing board.......

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Post by Carrousel » Wed Aug 29, 2018 12:03 pm

Plonk > Rainmaker is an absolute Braindance weapon:

http://soundcloud.com/carrousel_uk/apex-beat
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Post by insoul8 » Wed Aug 29, 2018 12:20 pm

Raven_Martin wrote:Plonk > Rainmaker is an absolute Braindance weapon:

http://soundcloud.com/carrousel_uk/apex-beat
Nice! What do you have on kick and snare duties?

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Post by Carrousel » Wed Aug 29, 2018 12:52 pm

Cheers man :mrgreen: A lot of the softer snares are from the Plonk but the big 2,4 snares are samples on the MPC live. One of the kicks is 909 from the TR-8 and the others are a few samples off the MPC live again.

Edit coz i put 808 but meant 909!
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Post by a773 » Thu Aug 30, 2018 2:52 am

kisielk wrote:It's hard to say without knowing all your patch
settings.
Got side tracked, sorry. I should (re)state that this is not an exception, I have not managed to get *any* high-frequency sound going on the plonk that doesn't behave like this. Here's an example:

[video][/video]

In this video I first twist the delay knob, the kick drum like sound (which is the problem, it shouldn't be there) is obvious with decay knob CCW. In the second half of the video I modulate the decay with an +/-5V CV (off screen), at first the problem is not showing, then I move the decay knob to 5% and then negative voltages start showing the problem. Not sure if this is related but the sound changes in a different way when CV'ing decay compared to moving the decay knob, CV'ing makes the sound more metallic, turning the knob the sound is more uniform (compare variation in sound before and after blue cable inserted)

I would like feedback from other users if they have similar experiences with their plonk and obviously from Intellijel (would that be you, kisielk?).

Plonk settings
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EXCITER
Mallet:Noise: 0:100
M Stiffness: 115
N Attack: 0
N Decay: 96
N Density: 108
N LP Cutoff: 106
N LP Env: +18
N LP Q: 71
N HP Cutoff: 96
N HP Env: -21
N HP Q: 41
N Env: AR

OBJECT
Type: Membrane
Decay: 5
Position: 100
Tone: 113
Inharmonicty: +43
Low cut: 48
P Env Amt: -4
P Env Decay: 47
Polyphony: 2

CONFIG
Gain: 0 db
VEL Mode: accent

Version: 1.11
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Post by SB-SIX » Thu Aug 30, 2018 6:31 am

Raven_Martin wrote:Plonk > Rainmaker is an absolute Braindance weapon:

http://soundcloud.com/carrousel_uk/apex-beat
That was pretty cool!
There is a chance you might like this: https://soundcloud.com/steeboo

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Post by Hirsbro » Sat Sep 08, 2018 12:29 pm

Having problems updating my Plonk

Im getting this message


==> Error occurred during update.

Invalid DFU suffix signature
A valid DFU suffix will be required in a future dfu-util release!!!
Cannot open DFU device 0483:df11
No DFU capable USB device available

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Post by bemushroomed » Sat Sep 08, 2018 12:36 pm

afaik it's not a problem, mine worked fine afterwards, says v1.11 at startup.. if you look at the previous message it even says its successfully updated.

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Post by Hirsbro » Sat Sep 08, 2018 12:43 pm

Mine still says 1.00 :waah:

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Post by bemushroomed » Sat Sep 08, 2018 12:46 pm

did you follow the video instructions?

did you use a usb cable that is for data transfer and not just for charging?

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Post by Hirsbro » Sat Sep 08, 2018 1:05 pm

bemushroomed wrote:did you follow the video instructions?

did you use a usb cable that is for data transfer and not just for charging?
Yes and yes :confused:

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Post by bemushroomed » Sat Sep 08, 2018 4:16 pm

odd.. i got the same message and it worked just fine. PM one of the intellijel dudes (kisielk for example), they'll sort it out.

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Post by kisielk » Mon Sep 10, 2018 11:35 am

Please don't PM me, I don't check my PMs that often and I'm pretty busy :) Better to email support@intellijel.com or use the support widget on the website. We've got a few people in our service department that can help out or pass it to me if they can't get it sorted.
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Post by Umcorps » Thu Sep 13, 2018 10:44 am

Umcorps wrote:
cloudleft wrote:
Umcorps wrote:Addendum to this question:-

What is the minimum voltage that Plonk recognises as a trigger?
Based on an earlier comment from one of the devs, it looks like the threshold is around 0.8V!
Ah! I need a new theory then.

Back to the drawing board.......
Just to report that this is now resolved.

Problem was that the default trigger length of the Shuttle Control is just 1ms which was too fast for Plonk to reliably catch them all.

Solution is buried in a recent Shuttle Control firmware update which adds a tick box option to make the default trigger length = 10 ms.

Full details in the Shuttle Control thread here

viewtopic.php?p=2906717#2906717

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Post by kisielk » Thu Sep 13, 2018 3:38 pm

Plonk 1.13 firmware is now available which fixes a couple of noise filter envelope bugs from 1.11: https://forum.intellijel.com/t/plonk-1-13/893/19
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Post by bemushroomed » Thu Sep 13, 2018 6:32 pm

kisielk wrote:Plonk 1.13 firmware is now available which fixes a couple of noise filter envelope bugs from 1.11: https://forum.intellijel.com/t/plonk-1-13/893/19
please don't hide it behind registration since registration is a bit funky, at least for me.. I registered and let chrome save my details, i clicked the confirmation email.. can't login using my details, that chrome saved. can't ask for a PW reset since my email is not recognized.

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Post by SavageMessiah » Thu Sep 13, 2018 7:03 pm

You don't need to register. https://intellijel.com/shop/eurorack/plonk/ link to firmware installer is at the bottom.

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Post by bemushroomed » Thu Sep 13, 2018 7:08 pm

thanks! chrome blocks it though, says it's dangerous.. guess i'll try another browser.

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