Winter Modular Eloquencer Sequencer

Cwejman, Livewire, TipTop Audio, Doepfer etc... Get your euro on!

Moderators: Kent, Joe., luketeaford, lisa

Post Reply
praiseofpeace
Learning to Wiggle
Posts: 5
Joined: Sun May 10, 2020 9:40 pm

Re: Winter Modular Eloquencer Sequencer

Post by praiseofpeace » Mon Sep 07, 2020 1:27 am

I apologize if this has been asked elsewhere, if so, please link me to the answer. I've noticed that there are graphics indicating which button corresponds to a black or white key in "Free Play" mode. Is this set in stone or is it possible to change the first key on the bottom row into a B for example? This would be very helpful for accommodating different melodic lines.

_lex
Common Wiggler
Posts: 79
Joined: Sat Nov 10, 2012 7:07 pm
Location: PDX/OR/USA

Re: Winter Modular Eloquencer Sequencer

Post by _lex » Fri Sep 18, 2020 11:41 pm

WM thank you thank you thank you for the beta! it makes it the sequencer i always wanted! i can have the sequence direction independent of the clock div now!!!

dumbeat
Common Wiggler
Posts: 204
Joined: Tue Jul 16, 2013 10:48 am

Re: Winter Modular Eloquencer Sequencer

Post by dumbeat » Mon Sep 28, 2020 5:47 pm

Just got an Eloquencer but not sure how to update the Firmware. Anyone?

User avatar
FatKingTubby
Common Wiggler
Posts: 137
Joined: Thu Mar 29, 2018 9:56 am

Re: Winter Modular Eloquencer Sequencer

Post by FatKingTubby » Mon Sep 28, 2020 7:18 pm

dumbeat wrote:
Mon Sep 28, 2020 5:47 pm
Just got an Eloquencer but not sure how to update the Firmware. Anyone?
I believe everything you need can be found here.
https://github.com/enoughframes/ELOQUENCER___UPDATER

dumbeat
Common Wiggler
Posts: 204
Joined: Tue Jul 16, 2013 10:48 am

Re: Winter Modular Eloquencer Sequencer

Post by dumbeat » Tue Sep 29, 2020 9:24 am

FatKingTubby wrote:
Mon Sep 28, 2020 7:18 pm
dumbeat wrote:
Mon Sep 28, 2020 5:47 pm
Just got an Eloquencer but not sure how to update the Firmware. Anyone?
I believe everything you need can be found here.
https://github.com/enoughframes/ELOQUENCER___UPDATER

Got it. Thanks! Any experience with beta 3.9? too buggy or working well?

guitargyro
Learning to Wiggle
Posts: 22
Joined: Wed Oct 02, 2019 3:43 pm
Location: Cincinnati

Re: Winter Modular Eloquencer Sequencer

Post by guitargyro » Tue Sep 29, 2020 1:54 pm

Does anyone have a link to the best “getting started” type of introduction to the Eloquencer?

I have to say I am finding the manual not so intuitive as it seems to imply. Same with many of the videos I’ve watched...

Read through the whole manual and there isn’t even any mention of “how to start a sequence”...or anything like that.

User avatar
ignatius
Super Deluxe Wiggler
Posts: 15584
Joined: Tue Dec 23, 2008 4:03 pm
Location: oregon
Contact:

Re: Winter Modular Eloquencer Sequencer

Post by ignatius » Tue Sep 29, 2020 2:10 pm

i watched a handful of videos and gleaned a little bit from each one. it's a very flexible and programmable box that people use in different ways so you're going to get a different take on it from different users.

it's deep and very programmable so you can really use it in many different ways. the random functionality is excellent and it's possible to program ever changing patterns full of surprises. the LFO implementation is also really nice imo. it's nice to have it linked to a pattern.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_ ... eloquencer

this video is really long but is a good overview and gets the basics though spread out over longtime. his 2nd video covers the added features of new firmware so you should watch both.




User avatar
FatKingTubby
Common Wiggler
Posts: 137
Joined: Thu Mar 29, 2018 9:56 am

Re: Winter Modular Eloquencer Sequencer

Post by FatKingTubby » Tue Sep 29, 2020 2:14 pm

dumbeat wrote:
Tue Sep 29, 2020 9:24 am
Got it. Thanks! Any experience with beta 3.9? too buggy or working well?
Nope sorry I'm on 1.3.8. Still relatively new with it myself and I don't do betas unless I'm super fluid with everything. Otherwise I can't be sure if I'm messing something up or it's the firmware.
guitargyro wrote:
Tue Sep 29, 2020 1:54 pm
Does anyone have a link to the best “getting started” type of introduction to the Eloquencer?

I have to say I am finding the manual not so intuitive as it seems to imply. Same with many of the videos I’ve watched...

Read through the whole manual and there isn’t even any mention of “how to start a sequence”...or anything like that.
I too found the manual a bit dense to make sense of everything. This 'cheat sheet' is pretty handy but also may just make you more confused.

https://u.pcloud.link/publink/show?code ... SRn46RsblX

Best bet is to watch the youtube tutorials and learn by doing. I figured out pretty much everything I needed to within 2-3 sessions of getting in there and clicking around.

magicdust
Common Wiggler
Posts: 54
Joined: Wed Oct 19, 2016 9:22 am
Location: Internet

Re: Winter Modular Eloquencer Sequencer

Post by magicdust » Tue Sep 29, 2020 5:05 pm

https://u.pcloud.link/publink/show?code ... SRn46RsblX


Thanks for posting that. Really helpful 😊

User avatar
jwise
Wiggling with Experience
Posts: 324
Joined: Tue May 24, 2016 1:02 pm
Location: Phoenix, AZ
Contact:

Re: Winter Modular Eloquencer Sequencer

Post by jwise » Wed Sep 30, 2020 12:35 pm

FatKingTubby wrote:
Tue Sep 29, 2020 2:14 pm
This 'cheat sheet' is pretty handy but also may just make you more confused.

https://u.pcloud.link/publink/show?code ... SRn46RsblX
Do you know if there's one of these that's printer friendly?

User avatar
FatKingTubby
Common Wiggler
Posts: 137
Joined: Thu Mar 29, 2018 9:56 am

Re: Winter Modular Eloquencer Sequencer

Post by FatKingTubby » Wed Sep 30, 2020 2:33 pm

jwise wrote:
Wed Sep 30, 2020 12:35 pm
Do you know if there's one of these that's printer friendly?
Not that I've found. But yeah you def don't want to blow all your red ink for no reason and it's not too easy to copy/paste the text to a new doc. You could try asking the SonicVoltage guy who made it. He might be up for making a quick edit. Here's his youtube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCBZeBu ... tx1BrQX89A

Daduk
Common Wiggler
Posts: 61
Joined: Fri Oct 12, 2018 2:24 am

Re: Winter Modular Eloquencer Sequencer

Post by Daduk » Wed Oct 14, 2020 10:16 am

FatKingTubby wrote:
Fri Aug 28, 2020 4:20 pm

One of my favorite things about eloquencer is the probability settings, and I've been using gate probabilities for pretty much every track I write. I'd really like to be using the CV probabilities but the way this functions doesn't really make sense to me. Ideally I would like to set the probability that a note will be changed to a certain pitch, not to a range of pitches above or below the set note. For example: A programmed C has a 25% chance going up to Eb, 25% chance up to a G, 25% up an octave to a higher C, and 25% chance down an octave to a lower C. Having a 25% chance that the note will be somewhere between say 7 semitones up or down really doesn't help me. An octave, a perfect 5th, or a minor 3rd are intervals that have a much more consonant sound. The difference in sound between a minor second/major second/minor third/major third is HUGE compared to the example I gave above, even though that probability setting would be a small +/-4 semitones. I'm sure someone will suggest I play around with the scale settings to make this work a bit better, which is definitely something I need to explore more. But I was a bit dumbstruck when I saw that changing the scale does not change the notes that show up on the OLED screen when selecting pitch CV. You still need to scroll through each chromatic pitch when changing CV, but depending on the scale that's selected it will just round up or down to the nearest pitch in that scale. I'm really not a fan of this behavior because the main reason I would choose a certain scale is to save myself scrolling time when selecting a pitch in the CV mode. This choice must have something to do with the programming because I can't think of any other reason why this behavior would be the norm. If I set a scale to C maj, the only notes I want to be scrolling through are CDEFGAB.
fatKing,

I am afraid you are right on this. Random within the chosen scale does NOT work. Serious bummer and reason for me to go for the Vector Sequencer.

Dreth
Learning to Wiggle
Posts: 16
Joined: Fri Jun 07, 2019 5:41 am

Re: Winter Modular Eloquencer Sequencer

Post by Dreth » Sat Oct 17, 2020 7:13 am

With the EME expander, can you sequence all 8 tracks simultaneously with external hardware/DAW and vice versa?

Edit: Got the answer to this on the winter modular forums, it can sequence all 8 tracks which I think is pretty awesome.

Winter Modular has a video/manual playlist on youtube for the EME that I somehow missed, link below.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=P ... ukC0gnO2OW
Last edited by Dreth on Wed Oct 21, 2020 6:21 pm, edited 1 time in total.

dumbeat
Common Wiggler
Posts: 204
Joined: Tue Jul 16, 2013 10:48 am

Re: Winter Modular Eloquencer Sequencer

Post by dumbeat » Tue Oct 20, 2020 3:39 am

Having serious problems slaving the EQuencer to other clocks.

Whether Sending midi to clock from DAW or from Pamela's workout. Always Glitches and flipping out of synch. Especially at the first trigger received.

Anyone shares the experience?

Thanks!

User avatar
vilovisp
Common Wiggler
Posts: 180
Joined: Sat Mar 30, 2013 6:08 pm
Location: Argentina

Re: Winter Modular Eloquencer Sequencer

Post by vilovisp » Tue Oct 20, 2020 6:39 am

same problem here , is frustrating !! Im about to sell my eloquencer cause of these

I get it to work better by only sending a gate on from ableton to both run inputs(using internal clocks) , but is not perfect , is really annoyng these two top modules behave so so so bad together

User avatar
VanEck
Super Deluxe Wiggler
Posts: 2242
Joined: Tue Dec 02, 2008 2:34 pm
Location: Pittsburgh, PA.
Contact:

Re: Winter Modular Eloquencer Sequencer

Post by VanEck » Tue Oct 20, 2020 12:38 pm

I am also experiencing issues clocking it with PAM's new workout... I recently updated the Elo to the current firmware, and I don't recall seeing it have these issues on the very old firmware I was running previously, so perhaps this is a new issue?

I using 1 channel of pams to clock at 4x, and another at /16 to reset... and it seems to get all out of sync on the first step as you described, as if it is not resetting properly, which is something I would consider pretty basic for a sequencer. Pretty frustrating.
DISHEVELED -- PROMETHEUS BURNING -- FOUR PI MOVEMENT

SysEx Dumpster podcast - modular, gear, and other garbage

User avatar
Azarius
Common Wiggler
Posts: 124
Joined: Sun Oct 02, 2016 10:53 am
Location: Las Vegas

Re: Winter Modular Eloquencer Sequencer

Post by Azarius » Tue Oct 20, 2020 6:22 pm

I'm using the Pam's to clock the Eloquencer as well, although I use the Pexp-2 expander. For your RESET signal, try setting an output of Pam's to a square wave with an output of 100% and the WIDTH to 100% also. Then set up your Reset parameter on the Eloquencer under Options to the following: Rst In = Reset LOW. This way every time you stop the sequence it resets the sequence back to the start. This is how I have it set up and it is rock solid. Hope this suggestion helps!

User avatar
VanEck
Super Deluxe Wiggler
Posts: 2242
Joined: Tue Dec 02, 2008 2:34 pm
Location: Pittsburgh, PA.
Contact:

Re: Winter Modular Eloquencer Sequencer

Post by VanEck » Tue Oct 20, 2020 11:46 pm

Azarius wrote:
Tue Oct 20, 2020 6:22 pm
I'm using the Pam's to clock the Eloquencer as well, although I use the Pexp-2 expander. For your RESET signal, try setting an output of Pam's to a square wave with an output of 100% and the WIDTH to 100% also. Then set up your Reset parameter on the Eloquencer under Options to the following: Rst In = Reset LOW. This way every time you stop the sequence it resets the sequence back to the start. This is how I have it set up and it is rock solid. Hope this suggestion helps!
i think i just fixed it a different way. setting the gate out of pams to a width of "1" and then on the elo changing the reset option to "trigger" seems to have made it solid for now.
DISHEVELED -- PROMETHEUS BURNING -- FOUR PI MOVEMENT

SysEx Dumpster podcast - modular, gear, and other garbage

User avatar
vilovisp
Common Wiggler
Posts: 180
Joined: Sat Mar 30, 2013 6:08 pm
Location: Argentina

Re: Winter Modular Eloquencer Sequencer

Post by vilovisp » Thu Oct 22, 2020 1:12 pm

i think im done guys with eloquencer and pamela , clearly one of the two needs to go , im starting to feel depressed and stupid that i cant make it work , i try all , dont know what im doing wrong , even eloi help me setup but still is super not accurate. SO SO SO SAD

if a kind soul that have both working tight would give me a hand i would be eternally grateful

dumbeat
Common Wiggler
Posts: 204
Joined: Tue Jul 16, 2013 10:48 am

Re: Winter Modular Eloquencer Sequencer

Post by dumbeat » Fri Oct 23, 2020 5:22 pm

Azarius wrote:
Tue Oct 20, 2020 6:22 pm
I'm using the Pam's to clock the Eloquencer as well, although I use the Pexp-2 expander. For your RESET signal, try setting an output of Pam's to a square wave with an output of 100% and the WIDTH to 100% also. Then set up your Reset parameter on the Eloquencer under Options to the following: Rst In = Reset LOW. This way every time you stop the sequence it resets the sequence back to the start. This is how I have it set up and it is rock solid. Hope this suggestion helps!
Can you set the Square Wave on the original Pam (the one issued b4 "new")?

Dreth
Learning to Wiggle
Posts: 16
Joined: Fri Jun 07, 2019 5:41 am

Re: Winter Modular Eloquencer Sequencer

Post by Dreth » Fri Oct 23, 2020 7:24 pm

Have you tried the reverse, sending clock and reset from Eloquencer to Pam's?

guitargyro
Learning to Wiggle
Posts: 22
Joined: Wed Oct 02, 2019 3:43 pm
Location: Cincinnati

Re: Winter Modular Eloquencer Sequencer

Post by guitargyro » Sat Oct 24, 2020 4:04 pm

Man. Having real trouble with the “manual” for the Eloquencer.

Can someone tell me how in “Live Rec” mode, you can enter a sequence that is more than 16 steps long? I’m really struggling making sense of this manual, which is quite vague in my opinion.

For sake of simplifying...My setup here is as follows. I’m clocking from Pamelas Workout into the Eloquencer (x4 on Pam) and sending gate/CV outs to a Subharmonicon.

I’m basically trying to get started with this thing by recreating (to the best of my “ability”) Patricia’s thing he did for Moog a while back using the Eloquencer to sequence a couple Subharms, Mother 32, and DFAMs.

Not having much luck with the live Rec mode other than getting it to repeat a 16 step sequence. What am I missing?

Thanks!

Thanks!

Post Reply

Return to “Eurorack Modules”