Xaoc Jena, Drezno, Lipsk: Leibniz Binary Subsystem update!

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Re: Xaoc Jena, Drezno, Lipsk: Leibniz Binary Subsystem update!

Post by maltemark » Mon Dec 30, 2019 3:41 pm

Trading in a R*S wave multiplier to get one of these. Hoping that the manual will be updated too!
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Re: Xaoc Jena, Drezno, Lipsk: Leibniz Binary Subsystem update!

Post by TheColdGreySky » Tue Dec 31, 2019 2:49 pm

Devilwidget wrote:
Mon Dec 30, 2019 3:03 pm
I agree - my (quite small) system is 50% Xaoc... however, I would love to know the exact banks of Jena. I have been experimenting and found some very unexpected things (like using Jena as a sort of fucked up quantizer, and getting a sort of bonkers shepards tone effect). But knowing quite what I am fucking with would be grand.
Small is relative lol. I want to make a case that's mostly Xaoc modules. I've got my eyes on a few more. In all honesty I've thought about having all the bank shape info but I'm not too sure it would really matter since the input source seems to have such a huge impact on the end result. I guess the extra info wouldn't hurt though.

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Re: Xaoc Jena, Drezno, Lipsk: Leibniz Binary Subsystem update!

Post by fruitsnake » Wed Jan 01, 2020 3:40 pm

Anybody getting smooth Walsh function sounds like are happening in the demo video they put out last week? How is that happening?

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Re: Xaoc Jena, Drezno, Lipsk: Leibniz Binary Subsystem update!

Post by TheColdGreySky » Wed Jan 01, 2020 5:19 pm

fruitsnake wrote:
Wed Jan 01, 2020 3:40 pm
Anybody getting smooth Walsh function sounds like are happening in the demo video they put out last week? How is that happening?
Yes. I posted a video doing something similar. I think you'll have to go back one page to see it. If this is what you're looking for I'll try to help you achieve that sound.

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Post by fruitsnake » Wed Jan 01, 2020 7:13 pm

TheColdGreySky wrote:
Wed Jan 01, 2020 5:19 pm

Yes. I posted a video doing something similar. I think you'll have to go back one page to see it. If this is what you're looking for I'll try to help you achieve that sound.
Thanks! Got it! didn't realize the input was an LFO :doh:

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Post by TheColdGreySky » Wed Jan 01, 2020 8:20 pm

fruitsnake wrote:
Wed Jan 01, 2020 7:13 pm
TheColdGreySky wrote:
Wed Jan 01, 2020 5:19 pm

Yes. I posted a video doing something similar. I think you'll have to go back one page to see it. If this is what you're looking for I'll try to help you achieve that sound.
Thanks! Got it! didn't realize the input was an LFO :doh:
Enjoy.

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Re: Xaoc Jena, Drezno, Lipsk: Leibniz Binary Subsystem update!

Post by mantiwhore » Mon Jan 13, 2020 9:50 am

Finally, a chart of Jena banks' contents:
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http://xaocdevices.com/manuals/xaoc_jena_chart_1.0.pdf
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Post by maltemark » Mon Jan 13, 2020 10:31 am

mantiwhore wrote:
Mon Jan 13, 2020 9:50 am
Finally, a chart of Jena banks' contents:

That’s actually a great album name!
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Re: Xaoc Jena, Drezno, Lipsk: Leibniz Binary Subsystem update!

Post by ErnieBall » Wed Jan 15, 2020 7:17 pm

mantiwhore wrote:
Mon Jan 13, 2020 9:50 am
Finally, a chart of Jena banks' contents:
:miley:
http://xaocdevices.com/manuals/xaoc_jena_chart_1.0.pdf
Thanks for these: Be good to know the details behind them, that is why they were chosen and for me especially the Walsh transform functions - if they refer to specific practical examples in theory papers. I know some of the banks are referred to loosely in the manual but I am particularly interested in the methodology that went into the design choices. Appreciate any links to further reading. Thanks.

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Post by ege.gonul » Tue Feb 11, 2020 3:48 am

I am wondering if this module can only processes a single channel? I thought it could do eight channels at once with Jena addition. But I just realized that all eight pairs of are only for bits output or bits input triggers/gates. So I guess I can't feed eight-channel drums into this and get out eight channels out with something like bit depth reduction. Can someone comment on this?

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Post by maltemark » Tue Feb 11, 2020 4:01 am

Anyone experienxing boot up problems with their jena sometimes? Seems to be the same for intellijel and Zeus power for me. The other two modules boot without problems but jena often gets stuck
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Post by fruitsnake » Tue Feb 11, 2020 6:35 pm

maltemark wrote:
Tue Feb 11, 2020 4:01 am
Anyone experienxing boot up problems with their jena sometimes? Seems to be the same for intellijel and Zeus power for me. The other two modules boot without problems but jena often gets stuck
never on boot-up, but i have had my Jena get "stuck" after running for a while, only once or twice. it kept functioning, but wouldn't respond to the knobs being turned or buttons pressing. had to reboot and then all was well.

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Re: Xaoc Jena, Drezno, Lipsk: Leibniz Binary Subsystem update!

Post by williamjturkel » Wed Feb 19, 2020 11:07 am

My Jena sometimes sticks if I have been using CV (especially on the phase input). I have to power up to clear it.

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Post by sellanraa » Fri Mar 13, 2020 6:20 pm

Really itching for a Jena and trying to hold out for a used one to pop up. Has there been any speculation on what the next piece of the system will look like?

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Post by williamjturkel » Sun Mar 15, 2020 5:24 pm

My hope is that the next Leibniz subsystem module will do something funky in the time domain. That is solely based on getting some intriguing results with gate delay modules like Propagate.

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Post by scragz » Sun Mar 15, 2020 10:57 pm

maltemark wrote:
Tue Feb 11, 2020 4:01 am
Anyone experienxing boot up problems with their jena sometimes? Seems to be the same for intellijel and Zeus power for me. The other two modules boot without problems but jena often gets stuck
fruitsnake wrote:
Tue Feb 11, 2020 6:35 pm
never on boot-up, but i have had my Jena get "stuck" after running for a while, only once or twice. it kept functioning, but wouldn't respond to the knobs being turned or buttons pressing. had to reboot and then all was well.
williamjturkel wrote:
Wed Feb 19, 2020 11:07 am
My Jena sometimes sticks if I have been using CV (especially on the phase input). I have to power up to clear it.
I gotta say I am reluctant to buy one of these until this is addressed. Don't get me wrong, I am a big Xaoc fan, but they don't release a ton of firmware updates and this may not even be updatable like that whole Odessa debacle.

(this is usually when xaoc_tech comes in and sets the record straight)

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Re: Xaoc Jena, Drezno, Lipsk: Leibniz Binary Subsystem update!

Post by huffnPuff » Mon Mar 16, 2020 4:41 am

ege.gonul wrote:
Tue Feb 11, 2020 3:48 am
I am wondering if this module can only processes a single channel? I thought it could do eight channels at once with Jena addition. But I just realized that all eight pairs of are only for bits output or bits input triggers/gates. So I guess I can't feed eight-channel drums into this and get out eight channels out with something like bit depth reduction. Can someone comment on this?
There's a single DAC and a single ADC, both of which have 8bit resolution. You can process one track at a time.
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Re: Xaoc Jena, Drezno, Lipsk: Leibniz Binary Subsystem update!

Post by sellanraa » Thu Mar 19, 2020 1:19 pm

My Jena arrives today and I don't see anything in the manual about how to connect multiple modules up. I'm hoping to have a Lipsk inverting bits on the Drezno and the Jena wired up without a Lipsk connected to the Drezno. I wish they had a visual for different routing options, but maybe someone here can help? I don't want to fry anything not knowing what I'm doing back there.

Any help would be appreciated.

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Post by huffnPuff » Tue Mar 24, 2020 11:21 pm

A thought -

Couldn't the Jena, provided the right tables, function as a quantizer? I can imagine tables for the different scales, tables limited further to output just the chords of those scales etc. Of course, one would have to set the scaling manually by twiddling the DAC slider.

The 8bit resolution is a limitation but still, it should work reasonably well over a limited range? Or is all of the above impractical? I think, even so, there might be a case for tables with "musical" pitch intervals, as well as progressions (the order in which those values are stored in those tables).
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Re: Xaoc Jena, Drezno, Lipsk: Leibniz Binary Subsystem update!

Post by sellanraa » Sun Mar 29, 2020 7:12 am

Got the Jena just under a week ago and really loving it.

Even without the Jena this all does effectively act as a quantizer as I understand it, just not with a 12 tone scale.

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