heavy duty pitch + gate sequencer module comparison

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Re: heavy duty pitch + gate sequencer module comparison

Post by mdoudoroff » Thu Apr 02, 2020 10:40 am

hirnlego wrote:
Thu Apr 02, 2020 10:22 am
Would you consider adding the type of storage, if any, that each sequencer has? Number of sequences, banks, if internal memory or sd...
I won’t not consider adding these details, but I’m generally disinclined. This table necessarily compares wildly dissimilar tools, with wildly different workflows. The sorts of details you’re listing are, in my opinion, wrapped up in those workflows. I suspect there’s not enough context to make these proposed columns valuable—they might really just be noise.

I think the value of this comparison is as follows:

1) it’s pretty exhaustive in terms of the available options, so you can be reasonably confident you’re not overlooking a product you were unaware of
2) by using the table and its links as a jumping off point, you can begin to whittle down which sequencers you might be interested

At some point, you have to leave the table behind, and deeply research the sequencers that remain of interest. These tools are too complicated, and your needs are too deeply personal, for a mere table to add much more light.

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Re: heavy duty pitch + gate sequencer module comparison

Post by hirnlego » Fri Apr 03, 2020 1:33 am

Thanks for consideration :tu:

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Re: heavy duty pitch + gate sequencer module comparison

Post by Prunesquallor » Fri Apr 03, 2020 3:04 am

A few more: largely DIY, but also available ready built: nlc 1050 Mixer Sequencer, Bindubba and ARSEq; RYO VC Sequencer; and the Frequency Central Cryptograf. No mention either of the Tiptop Z8000 and Synthwerks PGM-4x4.
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Re: heavy duty pitch + gate sequencer module comparison

Post by Prunesquallor » Fri Apr 03, 2020 4:50 am

PS: Seek may no longer be available. It appears to be out of stock everywhere and the Copper Traces website seems to have been last updated three years ago.
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Re: heavy duty pitch + gate sequencer module comparison

Post by mdoudoroff » Fri Apr 03, 2020 6:14 am

Prunesquallor wrote:
Fri Apr 03, 2020 3:04 am
A few more: largely DIY, but also available ready built: nlc 1050 Mixer Sequencer, Bindubba and ARSEq; RYO VC Sequencer; and the Frequency Central Cryptograf. No mention either of the Tiptop Z8000 and Synthwerks PGM-4x4.
All very cool modules, but none of them are the sort of pitch+gate sequencers that qualify for this comparison.
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PS: Seek may no longer be available. It appears to be out of stock everywhere and the Copper Traces website seems to have been last updated three years ago.
Yes, unfortunately, Copper Traces didn’t see enough of a business to continue. I’l remove Seek eventually, but it is still available if you look hard enough (for example, AnalogueHaven has it in stock as of this writing).

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Re: heavy duty pitch + gate sequencer module comparison

Post by mdoudoroff » Tue Apr 28, 2020 11:22 am

Added the RYK M185

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Post by rupa » Tue Apr 28, 2020 3:02 pm

Noodlebox isn't out yet, but it's gonna be a champ addition to this excellent list

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Re: heavy duty pitch + gate sequencer module comparison

Post by mdoudoroff » Tue Apr 28, 2020 3:29 pm

Added. Cheers!

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Re: heavy duty pitch + gate sequencer module comparison

Post by yellowecho » Tue Apr 28, 2020 4:18 pm

mdoudoroff wrote:
Tue Apr 28, 2020 11:22 am
Added the RYK M185
Details, details!
How does it compare to the Metropolis? The Split mode looks super convenient!
Is rykmodular.bigcartel.com the only place that sells it?? It's hard to find any info or videos about it.

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Re: heavy duty pitch + gate sequencer module comparison

Post by mdoudoroff » Tue Apr 28, 2020 4:42 pm

yellowecho wrote:
Tue Apr 28, 2020 4:18 pm
mdoudoroff wrote:
Tue Apr 28, 2020 11:22 am
Added the RYK M185
Details, details!
How does it compare to the Metropolis? The Split mode looks super convenient!
Is rykmodular.bigcartel.com the only place that sells it?? It's hard to find any info or videos about it.
You now know as much as I do. :despair:

There’s a manual for it linked from the ryk site.

One thing that is very clear is that the M185 is pretty weak in terms of CV control.

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Re: heavy duty pitch + gate sequencer module comparison

Post by ryk » Sat May 02, 2020 12:32 pm

yellowecho wrote:
Tue Apr 28, 2020 4:18 pm
mdoudoroff wrote:
Tue Apr 28, 2020 11:22 am
Added the RYK M185
Details, details!
How does it compare to the Metropolis? The Split mode looks super convenient!
Is rykmodular.bigcartel.com the only place that sells it?? It's hard to find any info or videos about it.
Hello

The big difference to the Metro ( in core functions ) is the M185 has 8 gate modes, instead of 4.

This allows for beat subdiv per stage for the repeat note gate mode.
So one stage could play 16ths, another stage could play 1/4notes etc.
There is also a programmable beat pattern gate mode, useful if you don’t want the note to play on the first beat of a stage.

Apart from the serial/parallel split sequence, the other core difference is having 2xCV & Gate outputs.

. . . and MIDI :-)

Sorry I haven’t posted many videos yet, I will try and get round to that.

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Re: heavy duty pitch + gate sequencer module comparison

Post by yellowecho » Sun May 03, 2020 9:52 pm

ryk wrote:
Sat May 02, 2020 12:32 pm
Hello

The big difference to the Metro ( in core functions ) is the M185 has 8 gate modes, instead of 4.

This allows for beat subdiv per stage for the repeat note gate mode.
So one stage could play 16ths, another stage could play 1/4notes etc.
There is also a programmable beat pattern gate mode, useful if you don’t want the note to play on the first beat of a stage.

Apart from the serial/parallel split sequence, the other core difference is having 2xCV & Gate outputs.

. . . and MIDI :-)

Sorry I haven’t posted many videos yet, I will try and get round to that.

ryk
Thanks for the info! Really looking forward to the videos and learning more. I've always wanted a Ryk sequencer.

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Re: heavy duty pitch + gate sequencer module comparison

Post by mdoudoroff » Tue May 05, 2020 1:14 pm

Added the 0-Control and Vermona meloDICER to the lists below the main comparison.

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Re: heavy duty pitch + gate sequencer module comparison

Post by mdoudoroff » Thu Jul 09, 2020 5:38 pm

This morning I made a video about patching the Koma Komplex, and the damn focus drifted on me part of the way in. It winds up a bit blurry. :bang: I hope it’s still watchable.

Anyway, I walk through a patch that I think shows off some of the joy of the Komplex.


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Re: heavy duty pitch + gate sequencer module comparison

Post by noisewreck » Thu Jul 09, 2020 7:14 pm

This is a very helpful list. Thank you!

Wish the Koma Komplex wasn't discontinued...

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Re: heavy duty pitch + gate sequencer module comparison

Post by mdoudoroff » Thu Jul 09, 2020 7:19 pm

I hadn’t realized (until now) that they discontinued it! Koma sold every one they ever built, but it was a high overhead product to build. So many components! Hmm.

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Re: heavy duty pitch + gate sequencer module comparison

Post by metamorphmuses » Sat Aug 01, 2020 5:38 am

@mdoudoroff Would you consider adding the Dnipro Metamorph to the Further Alternatives of the Euroack Pitch + Gate Sequencer Module Comparison? I realize the Metamorph probably doesn't make the cut for the main list. However, it has three independent channels with a dedicated "glide" (slew/portamento) control per channel, only four steps but a number of CV-controllable parameters (stages addressable via "CV in", Hold, Reset, Reverse, and of course Clock) that allow for a great deal of variation over the ordering of the steps, as well as the means to program, recall and play sequences stored in memory.

For the full description of its features, you can read about it here.
https://www.dnipro-modular.net/metamorph

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Re: heavy duty pitch + gate sequencer module comparison

Post by mdoudoroff » Sat Aug 01, 2020 7:38 am

I was one of the first purchasers of the Dnipro Metamorph, and I love it. The Metamorph replaced my Pressure Points + Brains, which I used for years, but never loved (for one thing, I have concluded that touch plates are not for me). I recommend the Metamorph to pretty much anybody: it’s incredibly useful and a great value.

However, I won’t add the Metamorph to the any part of the sequencer comparison, because doing so would open the door to adding dozens, possibly hundreds, of other utility sequencers. Instead, I have now revised the introduction, adding a strongly-worded caveat surrounded by a red border.

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Re: heavy duty pitch + gate sequencer module comparison

Post by Sandrine » Sat Aug 01, 2020 10:24 am

Wow! These lists are are super useful, well done!

I must request addition of our new Sequarallel Tracker/sequencer coming out soon
https://www.modulargrid.net/e/sds-digital-sequarallel

Style: GUI/Tracker
Steps (UI basis/max pattern length): 64, >2000 (MIDI Seq)
Tracks: 4 + 1
Per track outs: 1 cv,1 gate,1 mod or Velocity, or 12 drum triggers
Gate handling: Variable Gate Length/Delay/Trigger/MIDI2Gate
Ratcheting/repeat: Curved Ratcheting, Pitched Echo
CV ins: 2 + 1
HP: 8
Shipping: No
Approx. $240
Additional Notes: MIDI I/O, Probability, MIDI Record and Layering, Tracker Record, MIDI Remote, MIDI FX, MIDI2CV

I hope you consider it :)

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Re: heavy duty pitch + gate sequencer module comparison

Post by mdoudoroff » Sat Aug 01, 2020 12:48 pm

Added the Sequarallel. Cheers!

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Re: heavy duty pitch + gate sequencer module comparison

Post by metamorphmuses » Sat Aug 01, 2020 8:04 pm

mdoudoroff wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 7:38 am
However, I won’t add the Metamorph to the any part of the sequencer comparison, because doing so would open the door to adding dozens, possibly hundreds, of other utility sequencers. Instead, I have now revised the introduction, adding a strongly-worded caveat surrounded by a red border.
Understood. It doesn't surprise me you have in-depth familiarity with it, nor that you love it, nor indeed that ultimately Metamorph lacks requisite criteria for inclusion. I would also like to praise your list. I have consulted it regularly in evaluating sequencers I may add to my rack, and I have shared the link to it for those who needed to make their own evaluations. (And the same goes for the Sampler list, which has also been instrumental in my decision-making process.)

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Re: heavy duty pitch + gate sequencer module comparison

Post by mdoudoroff » Sat Aug 01, 2020 9:34 pm

Glad these things are useful.

The sequencer comparison is a little bit weird. I started it simply because I was trying to make sense of a bunch of complicated modules.

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