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Select Modules (preset system)

Post by Veqtor » Tue Nov 28, 2017 3:24 am

I'm trying to figure out what modules support the select bus & the CVBus (?) protocol... And if they're interoperable....

So far I've come up with, and I need confirmation on this:

Modules:
Makenoise Tempi
Expert Sleepers Disting mk4
SSF Gatestorm
WMD Sequential Switch Matrix
Macro Machines Storage Strip
Macro Machines Omnimod
Intellijel Tetrapad (?)
Mungo 0-series modules
Malekko Varigate 8

Protocol specification: https://github.com/MacroMachines/Eurora ... t-Protocol <-- Need confirmation
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Post by Dogma » Tue Nov 28, 2017 3:33 am

I'm pretty sure I read tetrapad does as well...mungo too
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Post by Veqtor » Tue Nov 28, 2017 3:45 am

Dogma wrote:I'm pretty sure I read tetrapad does as well...mungo too
Cool, added!

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Post by Veqtor » Tue Nov 28, 2017 3:48 am

According to this video, there's no difference between the CVBus and Select Bus protocols:


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Post by The Grump » Tue Nov 27, 2018 5:45 pm

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Post by jimi23 » Tue Nov 27, 2018 5:49 pm

Ive started work on a Monome Teletype I2C -> MIDI bridge that will allow preset recall for these modules. At the moment ive got some Disting Mk4s being sequenced from the Teletype via the select bus. I have the Malekko Quad Envelope and Quad LFO arriving this week to further test the select bus save/recall.

As well as the quad malekko modules, Make Noise Rene Mk2 can also be added to the list

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Post by ipnoteca » Wed Nov 28, 2018 9:09 am

anyone knows if there is an alternative to the storage strip for mungo modules?
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Post by henrry » Mon Mar 25, 2019 12:51 pm

It looks like you can add the Expert Sleepers Select Bus breakout to the list which allows MIDI control of this feature :hihi:

By the way does anybody know and explain how could I save and recall presets using MIDI, if for instance I'm willing to save and recall Omnimod's envelopes using an Octatrack or Ableton Live? :hmm:

I was thinking of buying a Varigate 8 just for this, but as I'm using Ableton Live (and soon again the Octatrack) for my live rigs, this would be damn cool to be able to emplement this feature with the Omnimod (or any other of the listed modules for those who use MIDI) :sb:
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Re: Select Modules (preset system)

Post by henrry » Mon Mar 25, 2019 1:09 pm

Veqtor wrote:
Protocol specification: https://github.com/MacroMachines/Eurora ... t-Protocol <-- Need confirmation
Well this link points then to this one that seems quite clear regarding MIDI implementation :roll:

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Post by kwaidan » Mon Mar 25, 2019 1:22 pm

I just picked up a Metron, and I believe it is Select Bus. I’m really not familiar with the system.

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Post by diffrentstrolks » Wed Jun 05, 2019 4:05 pm

Bumping to (a) make additions to this list, and (b) gain some clarification/insight:

Additions:

Malekko Varigate 4+
MakeNoise Rene v2

Clarification/insight:

Although all the modules listed in this thread support the select bus protocol in some manner, it seems there are three ways in which it is typically implemented (please correct if I am wrong):

1. Send only (ex. Macro Machine Storage Strip)
2. Receive only (ex. WMD SSM, Macro Machine Omnimod)
3. Send or Receive (ex. MakeNoise Rene v2)

I am particularly interested to learn if there are other modules currently designed to act as a "Sender" (typically, for save/recall purposes).

For my personal use-case (Omnimod user), it seems quite pricey to purchase a $200+ "sender module," like the Storage Strip or Rene v2, just to be able to save/load Omnimod envelope banks.

Even if the "sender modules" do other cool/useful things, it seems a cheaper/simpler option should exist. Any thoughts?

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Post by c0rpse » Thu Jun 06, 2019 10:46 am

kwaidan wrote:I just picked up a Metron, and I believe it is Select Bus. I’m really not familiar with the system.
WMD Metron can Send or Receive. It can also sequence Select Bus messages if it is the sender.
diffrentstrolks wrote: Even if the "sender modules" do other cool/useful things, it seems a cheaper/simpler option should exist. Any thoughts?
The message that's sent over the bus is a literal midi program change message. It seems like the cheapest option would be to get the expert sleepers DIN breakout and a cheap midi controller that will send a program change message.
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Post by diffrentstrolks » Thu Jun 06, 2019 11:37 am

Thanks, c0rpse!

I did a deeper dive into this last night, and I believe that the ES breakout is the way to go for me.

I actually emailed WMD customer service the other day about this: is there any chance the WMD SSM could be configured/updated to act as Sender?

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Post by c0rpse » Thu Jun 06, 2019 12:12 pm

diffrentstrolks wrote: is there any chance the WMD SSM could be configured/updated to act as Sender?
No, it doesn't have any transmit hardware on it.
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Post by Hidden_Path » Thu Jun 06, 2019 1:05 pm

Voltage Block too I believe (unless is also needs a Varigate, not sure on that)?

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Post by Paranormal Patroler » Sat Aug 24, 2019 6:12 am

I wonder why the Disting can't also act as sender.
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Post by EternalTurtle » Wed Sep 18, 2019 1:50 pm

Hi!
wanted to know if anyone has been able or if it's even possible to use the Futureretro Midi Bus module with the select bus? Would this damage it?

I was looking at the ES Select Bus Module but saw this and thought it would be nice to save a couple hp in the case. I was thinking of wiring it up myself with the kit from think using TRS jacks but this would save me time.

https://www.modulargrid.net/e/futureretro-midi-bus

Thanks guys!

Edit:
Nevermind after looking closer at the Futureretro, it looks like it takes midi in on the 15,16 pins and sends on 13,14.

Select Bus sends and receives through 13,14

Oh well would have been nice. Guess I have to get the kit.

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Post by Sandrine » Wed Sep 18, 2019 4:01 pm

You can add the SDS Digital & K Accord Melisma and SDS Digital Sequarallel to the list!

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Post by Arneb » Thu Sep 19, 2019 7:42 am

Paranormal Patroler wrote:I wonder why the Disting can't also act as sender.
If you're asking me, having a black 4HP module with 120 modes and nondescriptive labeling act as bus sender depending on context is a great way to fry your rack.

(Though I'm personally in the don't-touch-the-bus-at-all camp.)

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Post by Sandrine » Fri Sep 20, 2019 10:35 am

The Sequarallel (viewtopic.php?t=221705) has been rigged to do both master & slave but not sure how to implement.. Select Bus preset list as a slave is a no brainer, but how many presets are people using?
As a master what other parameters are expected?

To make things more complex, I have implemented trigger Clock (Gate bus) I/O as well. Is anyone using this part of select bus?

The Melisma Chord module (thread here) can act as a selbus master

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Post by Joey P. » Sun Dec 08, 2019 2:04 pm

What would be the best way to share S.bus between racks? I think the Disting breakout will do it, but it seems more complex (MIDI circuitry, which I don't need).

Would a Doefer A-185-1 bus access work for S.bus if I connect both CV and Gate out from rack with Metron (master) to both CV and Gate in on rack w/ Varigate/Voltage Block (slave).

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Post by Sandrine » Sun Dec 08, 2019 5:43 pm

https://www.expert-sleepers.co.uk/selec ... akout.html

is probably the way to go, 2 of them, but it's a kit
..if you could put one of those togetther then it'd probably be just as easy to to take 2HP blanks and simply wire the SB pin to a TS plus along with a ground
Keep in mind though that the SB isn't very well protected against ESD so there's always a danger of zapping by touching the tip.

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Post by rico loverde » Sun Dec 08, 2019 6:49 pm

Malekko:

V8+
V4+

These work in tandem with the Varigate 4+ and 8+ for multiple preset recall over the power bus

Voltage Block
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Post by Joey P. » Sun Dec 08, 2019 8:49 pm

Sandrine wrote:https://www.expert-sleepers.co.uk/selec ... akout.html

is probably the way to go, 2 of them, but it's a kit
Yeah, that's the one I meant, not the disting bob. But it seems like a lot just to share a bus. The 185-1 is cheaper than the ES kit. Just takes the bus cv/gate and gives you buffered 1/8" i/o on the top of case. Seems like it should work.

Presently have a Metron sequencing patch changes on a Tempi, SSF SSM and Voltage Block. Just want to make sure the 185-1 will carry s.bus to second case. Just ordered a pair, so we will see.

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Post by Mungo » Sun Dec 08, 2019 11:32 pm

Joey P. wrote:What would be the best way to share S.bus between racks? I think the Disting breakout will do it, but it seems more complex (MIDI circuitry, which I don't need).

Would a Doefer A-185-1 bus access work for S.bus if I connect both CV and Gate out from rack with Metron (master) to both CV and Gate in on rack w/ Varigate/Voltage Block (slave).
The Doepfer A-185-1 buffers the signals assuming they are CV/gate, it could cause all sorts of problems. Possibly even damaging some circuitry.

Why not just connect the signal from one board to another?

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