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Re: Rossum Electro-Music Assimil8or

Post by Durdee » Mon Feb 22, 2021 9:43 am

jwm wrote:
Mon Feb 22, 2021 9:00 am
perhaps i missed this somewhere along the way, but is there any way to record a sample and quick pitch it up or down an exact number of semitones? say, if i captured something on the fly, and want to pitch it down an octave, without having to dial down 12 semitones and having all that pitching in between...would be a very useful live use case

(apologies if this was covered, this thread is deep like the ocean)
I’d think the best way would be to preset the pitch of the channel you’re sampling to. Otherwise you could use a keyboard or any precise voltage source into a CV input set to pitch volt/octave for that channel.

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Post by Sam Botstein » Mon Feb 22, 2021 11:20 am

jwm wrote:
Mon Feb 22, 2021 9:00 am
perhaps i missed this somewhere along the way, but is there any way to record a sample and quick pitch it up or down an exact number of semitones? say, if i captured something on the fly, and want to pitch it down an octave, without having to dial down 12 semitones and having all that pitching in between...would be a very useful live use case

(apologies if this was covered, this thread is deep like the ocean)
If you click the encoder to bring up the full resolution editing field, pressing the encoder switch while turning the encoder will quantize the pitch setting to even semitones.
pg.42 http://www.rossum-electro.com/fqlzron/w ... 0618-2.pdf

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Re: Rossum Electro-Music Assimil8or

Post by jwm » Mon Feb 22, 2021 12:09 pm

Sam Botstein wrote:
Mon Feb 22, 2021 11:20 am
jwm wrote:
Mon Feb 22, 2021 9:00 am
perhaps i missed this somewhere along the way, but is there any way to record a sample and quick pitch it up or down an exact number of semitones? say, if i captured something on the fly, and want to pitch it down an octave, without having to dial down 12 semitones and having all that pitching in between...would be a very useful live use case

(apologies if this was covered, this thread is deep like the ocean)
If you click the encoder to bring up the full resolution editing field, pressing the encoder switch while turning the encoder will quantize the pitch setting to even semitones.
pg.42 http://www.rossum-electro.com/fqlzron/w ... 0618-2.pdf
hey thanks sam! i guess i passed over that little blurb in the manual because (to me) it implied that it would just dial through even semitones on the way down to -12, whereas i was looking to just snap instantly down to -12

also, i don't actually have an assimil8tor yet (its on the way) so i'm just trying to envision how this works based on documentation and videos, so i'm probably getting ahead of myself and misunderstanding... :razz:

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Post by OHEXOH » Tue Feb 23, 2021 11:07 am

jwm wrote:
Mon Feb 22, 2021 9:00 am
perhaps i missed this somewhere along the way, but is there any way to record a sample and quick pitch it up or down an exact number of semitones? say, if i captured something on the fly, and want to pitch it down an octave, without having to dial down 12 semitones and having all that pitching in between...would be a very useful live use case

(apologies if this was covered, this thread is deep like the ocean)
Assign a DC sample from another channel to the pitch of the channel you want to repitch. Adjust the the DC so when it’s playing it is pitching the other channel correctly. Go via a VCA to control it.

Or use a precision adder / offset via a VCA.
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Post by Zerius » Wed Feb 24, 2021 6:04 pm

What would be the best way/technic to record Waveforms into Assmil8r and get perfect cycling without clicking?
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Re: Rossum Electro-Music Assimil8or

Post by andybizarre » Thu Feb 25, 2021 3:15 am

Zerius wrote:
Wed Feb 24, 2021 6:04 pm
What would be the best way/technic to record Waveforms into Assmil8r and get perfect cycling without clicking?
Divide your masterclock to desired loop length. Patch into any Assiml8r CV input. On sampling page, select this input for sampling threshold, you`re done. If you start from scratch, you might select "empty channel" as target. This will assign every loop iteration to an available channel. On complex signals and stems, you won`t hear clicks, otherwise enable "loop crossfade".

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Re: Rossum Electro-Music Assimil8or

Post by wavejockey » Thu Feb 25, 2021 4:56 am

my experience is that complex signals tend to be harder to find the perfect loop (point), loop smoothing makes it even worse

i have lots of mellotron samples, and these are originally not looped but are very hard to find/set a clickless loop

if played polyphonicly (several / different samples) the (low but hearable) clicks drown in the mix though

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Re: Rossum Electro-Music Assimil8or

Post by Zerius » Thu Feb 25, 2021 9:12 am

andybizarre wrote:
Thu Feb 25, 2021 3:15 am
Zerius wrote:
Wed Feb 24, 2021 6:04 pm
What would be the best way/technic to record Waveforms into Assmil8r and get perfect cycling without clicking?
Divide your masterclock to desired loop length. Patch into any Assiml8r CV input. On sampling page, select this input for sampling threshold, you`re done. If you start from scratch, you might select "empty channel" as target. This will assign every loop iteration to an available channel. On complex signals and stems, you won`t hear clicks, otherwise enable "loop crossfade".
Do you mean I should record several loops of the same waveforms and use the crossfade group function?
I tried the threshold method and still get noticeable clicks on one bar cycling. I tried to send a gate in the Osc sync input to get a perfect starting point as well.
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Thu Feb 25, 2021 4:56 am
my experience is that complex signals tend to be harder to find the perfect loop (point), loop smoothing makes it even worse

i have lots of mellotron samples, and these are originally not looped but are very hard to find/set a clickless loop

if played polyphonicly (several / different samples) the (low but hearable) clicks drown in the mix though

I'm even struggling to record sine waves without clicks at the moment. I have only used pre made wavetables banks at the moment with the Ass8, but being able to record my own at 192khz is very tempting.
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Re: Rossum Electro-Music Assimil8or

Post by Artaos » Thu Feb 25, 2021 10:17 am

Are you trying to record single-cycle waveforms and without clicks? Can you get there by adjusting start of sample and end of sample on a sample-by-sample basis? Both start and end should be at a zero crossing.

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Re: Rossum Electro-Music Assimil8or

Post by batch » Thu Feb 25, 2021 10:37 am

Wouldn’t it be easier to edit the wav in something like Audacity to get the crossing points perfect? Appreciate it might be a pain from a workflow perspective.
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Re: Rossum Electro-Music Assimil8or

Post by Zerius » Thu Feb 25, 2021 4:55 pm

Artaos wrote:
Thu Feb 25, 2021 10:17 am
Are you trying to record single-cycle waveforms and without clicks? Can you get there by adjusting start of sample and end of sample on a sample-by-sample basis? Both start and end should be at a zero crossing.
That’s it, bit hard to manage perfect looping point without clicking with the tiny screen.
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Thu Feb 25, 2021 10:37 am
Wouldn’t it be easier to edit the wav in something like Audacity to get the crossing points perfect? Appreciate it might be a pain from a workflow perspective.
I’m gonna end up recording in the Ass8, edit into Audacity then back to Ass8 I guess. Never did it before yet but I presume it will be easier with a bigger screen :)
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Re: Rossum Electro-Music Assimil8or

Post by wavejockey » Fri Feb 26, 2021 4:45 am

other samplers have a built in find next zero crossing point or move start/end only to zero crossings (EMU Emulator X software)

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Post by OHEXOH » Fri Feb 26, 2021 1:11 pm

Zerius wrote:
Thu Feb 25, 2021 4:55 pm
Artaos wrote:
Thu Feb 25, 2021 10:17 am
Are you trying to record single-cycle waveforms and without clicks? Can you get there by adjusting start of sample and end of sample on a sample-by-sample basis? Both start and end should be at a zero crossing.
That’s it, bit hard to manage perfect looping point without clicking with the tiny screen.
It's not that difficult, in fact it's pretty simple on the Assimil8or. Set the sample to loop, press play and adjust the loop points until there is no click. Then permanently truncate and you're done.
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Re: Rossum Electro-Music Assimil8or

Post by bonjourmyfriends » Sun Feb 28, 2021 8:12 am

I love this module, but the lack of chokes or mute groups between the 8 channels is so frustrating and limiting. It has been the number 1 thing standing between me and fun, basic samplery things I want to do, at least without needlessly complicated workarounds that tie up several other modules.

If anyone can come up with a solution to this, whether it needs extra modules or not, please help. Perhaps there is some kind of round-robin thing I am not thinking of in the FH-2, which can output a gate corresponding to only the last-hit trigger? I have the FH-2 expander, so 24 available outputs there.

Right now I'm using a Nord Drum 3P with its MIDI out going into an Expert Sleepers FH-2. Each of the Nord Drum's 6 pads corresponds to a trigger sent on 6 of the FH-2's outputs. The triggers from the FH-2 go into the Assimil8or. What I want to do is put an Amen breakbeat into the Assimil8or.

When I hit the bass drum pad on the Nord Drum, I want to trigger a kick drum chop of the Amen break on channel 1 of the Assimil8or.
When I hit the snare drum pad on the Nord Drum, I want to trigger a snare drum chop of the Amen break on channel 2 of the Assimil8or.
When I hit the hi-hat drum pad on the Nord Drum, I want to trigger a hi-hat/ride chop of the Amen break on channel 3 of the Assimil8or.

Here's the tricky part: If I trigger channel 1 and then trigger channel 2 before the chop on channel 1 has stopped playing, I want channel 1 to mute the moment I hit channel 2. Basic channel choking.

Usually the go-to solution here is "zones". Well, I want to use all the zones on channel 1 for all the various kick drum chops within the Amen break. I want all the snare drums contained in the Amen break to be zones on channel 2. Then each time I hit a kick or snare, a random kick or snare will play, adding a lot of life to the beat. Not to mention they are layered with the kick, snare and hat from the Nord Drum 3P, as well as more eurorack layers.

Moving forward in the patch, when I play the kick drum, a bass VCO also plays at the same time. Each bass trigger will trigger a sequencer forward (and I can also use something like a expression pedal > MIDI > CV to send v/oct voltages to create basslines, but haven't set it up yet). Going for some old school jungle stuff here, but all controlled with the drum pads. Repeat the layering idea for chords/pads/leads as triggered by snare/hat pads, with all the triggers originating from the same Nord Drum pads. Everything works except the Amen breaks in the Assimil8or overlap and get all messy.

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Re: Rossum Electro-Music Assimil8or

Post by Artaos » Sun Feb 28, 2021 10:25 am

Use a Verbos Sequence Selector, or similar addressable switch. Audio outputs from the sampler into switch inputs, and triggers into the stage selection inputs.

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Post by OHEXOH » Sun Feb 28, 2021 4:08 pm

bonjourmyfriends wrote:
Sun Feb 28, 2021 8:12 am
I love this module, but the lack of chokes or mute groups between the 8 channels is so frustrating and limiting. It has been the number 1 thing standing between me and fun, basic samplery things I want to do, at least without needlessly complicated workarounds that tie up several other modules.

If anyone can come up with a solution to this, whether it needs extra modules or not, please help. Perhaps there is some kind of round-robin thing I am not thinking of in the FH-2, which can output a gate corresponding to only the last-hit trigger? I have the FH-2 expander, so 24 available outputs there.

Right now I'm using a Nord Drum 3P with its MIDI out going into an Expert Sleepers FH-2. Each of the Nord Drum's 6 pads corresponds to a trigger sent on 6 of the FH-2's outputs. The triggers from the FH-2 go into the Assimil8or. What I want to do is put an Amen breakbeat into the Assimil8or.

When I hit the bass drum pad on the Nord Drum, I want to trigger a kick drum chop of the Amen break on channel 1 of the Assimil8or.
When I hit the snare drum pad on the Nord Drum, I want to trigger a snare drum chop of the Amen break on channel 2 of the Assimil8or.
When I hit the hi-hat drum pad on the Nord Drum, I want to trigger a hi-hat/ride chop of the Amen break on channel 3 of the Assimil8or.

Here's the tricky part: If I trigger channel 1 and then trigger channel 2 before the chop on channel 1 has stopped playing, I want channel 1 to mute the moment I hit channel 2. Basic channel choking.

Usually the go-to solution here is "zones". Well, I want to use all the zones on channel 1 for all the various kick drum chops within the Amen break. I want all the snare drums contained in the Amen break to be zones on channel 2. Then each time I hit a kick or snare, a random kick or snare will play, adding a lot of life to the beat. Not to mention they are layered with the kick, snare and hat from the Nord Drum 3P, as well as more eurorack layers.

Moving forward in the patch, when I play the kick drum, a bass VCO also plays at the same time. Each bass trigger will trigger a sequencer forward (and I can also use something like a expression pedal > MIDI > CV to send v/oct voltages to create basslines, but haven't set it up yet). Going for some old school jungle stuff here, but all controlled with the drum pads. Repeat the layering idea for chords/pads/leads as triggered by snare/hat pads, with all the triggers originating from the same Nord Drum pads. Everything works except the Amen breaks in the Assimil8or overlap and get all messy.
Just use the Assimil8or in gate mode and send gates as long as you want the sample to play - so in effect it would be legato between the 3 notes you're sending. That would do what you're looking for.

But I agree, there are a few things I wish the Assimil8or could do that is doesn't:

Choking - the implementation using Cycle is not practical
Poly mode - what I actually imagine Cycle should do and that is cycle through channels to allow for 'polyphony'
Basic eq - just to be able to remove low end - nothing fancy

However, beyond that, the Assimil8or is a very powerful module and all those inputs can work some proper magic. :tu:
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Re: Rossum Electro-Music Assimil8or

Post by wavejockey » Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:26 am

i would do it in MIDI as @OHEXOH explained , using gates instead of triggers - you'll have to switch the Assimil8tor to gated mode instead of one-shot then
in MIDI you can set the notes so they don't overlap each other

cycle through channels is one thing i don't want to happen when in poly mode
(i want my lowest note always trigger Assimil8tor ch 1 etc etc, not cycle to another ch when i hit the same or another low note)
but i think that's a matter you need to address in the (MIDI->)CV interface - and i haven't found one that able to do that

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Post by MDurden » Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:12 am

bonjourmyfriends wrote:
Sun Feb 28, 2021 8:12 am
I love this module, but the lack of chokes or mute groups between the 8 channels is so frustrating and limiting. It has been the number 1 thing standing between me and fun, basic samplery things I want to do, at least without needlessly complicated workarounds that tie up several other modules.

If anyone can come up with a solution to this, whether it needs extra modules or not, please help. Perhaps there is some kind of round-robin thing I am not thinking of in the FH-2, which can output a gate corresponding to only the last-hit trigger? I have the FH-2 expander, so 24 available outputs there.

Right now I'm using a Nord Drum 3P with its MIDI out going into an Expert Sleepers FH-2. Each of the Nord Drum's 6 pads corresponds to a trigger sent on 6 of the FH-2's outputs. The triggers from the FH-2 go into the Assimil8or. What I want to do is put an Amen breakbeat into the Assimil8or.

When I hit the bass drum pad on the Nord Drum, I want to trigger a kick drum chop of the Amen break on channel 1 of the Assimil8or.
When I hit the snare drum pad on the Nord Drum, I want to trigger a snare drum chop of the Amen break on channel 2 of the Assimil8or.
When I hit the hi-hat drum pad on the Nord Drum, I want to trigger a hi-hat/ride chop of the Amen break on channel 3 of the Assimil8or.

Here's the tricky part: If I trigger channel 1 and then trigger channel 2 before the chop on channel 1 has stopped playing, I want channel 1 to mute the moment I hit channel 2. Basic channel choking.

Usually the go-to solution here is "zones". Well, I want to use all the zones on channel 1 for all the various kick drum chops within the Amen break. I want all the snare drums contained in the Amen break to be zones on channel 2. Then each time I hit a kick or snare, a random kick or snare will play, adding a lot of life to the beat. Not to mention they are layered with the kick, snare and hat from the Nord Drum 3P, as well as more eurorack layers.

Moving forward in the patch, when I play the kick drum, a bass VCO also plays at the same time. Each bass trigger will trigger a sequencer forward (and I can also use something like a expression pedal > MIDI > CV to send v/oct voltages to create basslines, but haven't set it up yet). Going for some old school jungle stuff here, but all controlled with the drum pads. Repeat the layering idea for chords/pads/leads as triggered by snare/hat pads, with all the triggers originating from the same Nord Drum pads. Everything works except the Amen breaks in the Assimil8or overlap and get all messy.
Did you try experimenting with XFade options? You can set up to 4 XFade Groups (A,B,C,D), by choosing the Channels button. In your example, set channels 1,2, and 3 all to Group A. Then at the bottom of the Channels screen, assign which input will control the XFade via CV and then make the crossfade width parameter (bottom right corner value) to the smallest available width of .01. Now you can select which channel is heard via CV control on whichever input you selected. This essentially works like a choke group. So you could have up to 4 choke groups (A,B,C,D). Let me know if this solves your issue

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Post by jollyjack » Tue Mar 02, 2021 9:09 pm

After going through the last 20 or so pages of the main thread and the whole Assimil8or requests thread, I compiled a list of many of the requests I could find (and a few of my own) so they won’t as easily get lost in the discussion. I took the liberty of expanding on some and putting my own twist on a few that excited me a bit more. No idea if the Rossum team considers the current firmware ”final”. It’s already great in so many ways, but I hope they can see the potential for further updates, since it’s a popular module and people have been coming up with some great ideas for added functionality. I might have missed some requests or just not found them super useful personally but feel free to add/expand on any ideas you might have. I ignored the whole discussion regarding basic/filter eq per channel since Sam already explained that there would likely not be enough processing power.

End of sample trigger
Most excited about this one. This could work as a separate channel mode called something like ”EOS Trig” (EOS = End Of Sample). It could produce a trigger on the individual channel outputs each time their respective sample reaches its end. That could then be routed to the trigger input of another channel, and so on. The resulting ”chain” of samples goes to the mix output.
Alternatively it could also give you the choice of only producing a trigger internally that could be routed to trigger the next channel linked to the ”master” channel in the chain, which would leave the individual channel outs free to output their respective samples and the trigger inputs free to receive external triggers/gates.

Benefits of option 1 is that you could mult a trigger to several destinations or combine several triggers to one destination, even send them to other modules, but you occupy any individual outs and trigger ins you decide to use. Option 2 you have the individual outs and ins free to use + you can more easily save presets, but the routing capabilities would be a lot more limited.

Using CV samples this would open up possibilities that could rival the Control Forge in complexity, being able to sequence chains of endless variation when modulating things like pitch (length), level, bit depth, zones and start/end-points. With audio samples you could set up complex rhythmical relationships between channels.

Channel output as internal modulation source for more parameters
As of now, the only parameter that can be modulated internally by another channel’s output is the phase mod (I think?). It would be great if channel output could be selected as a mod source for any parameter! Especially useful when having a CV sample on one channel to control a parameter on another.

Mimic/follow settings of a master channel
Sort of like the Hex Mode on the new Mob of Emus module, the function to control multiple channels with one master channel and have them follow any changes made in its settings. Would be a real lifesaver when trying to control multiple channels simultaneously or when you just want multiple channels set up the exact same way without having to make changes on each individual channel every time you decide to make a slight adjustment. This could maybe work as a mode where you have a dedicated Master channel, and any channel below that, which is set to something like ”mimic” or ”follow”, will follow all of the changes made on the master channel, while at the same time being able to have their own offsets. This is on my personal list of ”most wanted” features.

Velocity gate/trigger inputs
Some modules, like the ones from Expert Sleepers, support and output velocity gates/triggers. It would be great if the Assimil8or got added support for these and had the ability to route that same velocity gate/trigger to modulate level (or any other parameter that would benefit from velocity modulation). This would free up a lot of the other inputs that otherwise would be occupied by a separate velocity cv signal. Someone also added the idea that a negative voltage on the trig input could trigger the sample to play in reverse.

Quick parameter reset function/button combo (and a way to reset a whole channel to default state)
No further explanation needed.

Exponential/logarithmic curve for built in envelope
No further explanation needed.

Moving Cursor/line to display current playback position of sample
A bunch of people expressed the need for a cursor/line to display the current playback position of a sample, which would make things easier especially when working with longer samples.

Visibly moving start/end points (and other parameters) when controlled via CV
Controlling the start/end points via CV does not show any changes on screen currently (this is true for any parameters controlled via CV I think?). This addition would make the influence of incoming CV modulation much more visual, and would allow you to get a more precise view of the modulation range.

Zone crossfading
Not sure if this would ever work, since it would essentially have to double the amount of samples playing at the same time (2 samples audible per channel). Maybe if another channel was muted/disabled at the same time. Anyway, would be cool.

More looping modes
Backwards and ping-pong modes in conjunction with loop crossfade parameters.

Snap to zero crossing
It can sometimes be a bit cumbersome to get clean start/end points without clicks when editing samples, a way to make the start/end point snap to the nearest zero crossing would make things a lot easier.

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Post by escargot » Wed Mar 03, 2021 9:36 pm

came across this https://github.com/digitalohm/assimil8or-helpers
but i have no idea how it works. can it work on mac and is it an app? im not a nerd as you can see. github scares me

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Post by wavejockey » Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:23 am

please search this thread, it is all in there

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Post by Artaos » Thu Mar 04, 2021 9:55 am

When I browse samples while importing samples, and with auto-audition turned on, the auditioned samples that were not loaded into the channel still appear as available when scrolling through the samples in the main channel view. Is there a way to prevent that?

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Post by hlmm » Fri Mar 05, 2021 2:09 am

Artaos wrote:
Thu Mar 04, 2021 9:55 am
When I browse samples while importing samples, and with auto-audition turned on, the auditioned samples that were not loaded into the channel still appear as available when scrolling through the samples in the main channel view. Is there a way to prevent that?
All the samples in the folder are getting loaded if there is enough memory, check the manual to understand the loading order — there is a page dedicated to that.

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