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WMD Performance Mixer or Befaco Hexmix System

Post by Brooks » Tue Dec 12, 2017 1:28 pm

I would really like a mixer in my system and these two seem to be the tops. The direct outs are appealing on the Befaco just as CV is appealing on the WMD. Help!

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Post by bc3 » Tue Dec 12, 2017 2:06 pm

direct outputs via an expander are supposedly coming soon from WMD!

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Post by Hovercraft » Tue Dec 12, 2017 2:07 pm

WMD will be releasing a direct out expander soon. I have the WMD and the Channels expander--it's a nice balance between size and features. VCA control over pan and level is one of the big reasons to have a euro mixer, and I use them constantly.

Love Befaco modules, but looking at their system--the question is do you want the EQ controls taking up that much space? I'm adjusting frequency and timbre of each voice, so they fit in the mix. I haven't found EQ to be that helpful for individual euro voices, but that may be a plus for you. Ergonomically, I dislike those slippery little covers Befaco uses on shaft pots--would replace them with some Rogan 1p knobs on the volume pots. I like the large flat-faced mute switches, and the diy option is nice.

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Post by Brooks » Tue Dec 12, 2017 2:32 pm

Oh wow. If WMD is releasing the direct out expander, the decision is made. And good point about the EQ. This is typically done in my DAW if needed. Thank you, gentlemen!

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Post by Brooks » Tue Dec 12, 2017 2:38 pm

Brooks wrote:Oh wow. If WMD is releasing the direct out expander, the decision is made. And good point about the EQ. This is typically done in my DAW if needed. Thank you, gentlemen!
PS.. Don't know why I assumed you were men. Edit: Thank you, fellow wigglers!

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Post by bemerritt » Tue Dec 12, 2017 2:46 pm

At first i really liked the idea of a diy mixer. But combining the two kits yo uget pretty close to the price of a used WMD mixer. I htink the sliders are a plus as well.

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Post by tuj » Wed Dec 13, 2017 7:21 am

I don't need direct outs, but I absolutely LOVE the WMD mixer + Mutes + Channels expansions. It's the audio hub of my system. Sounds very clean, saturates well.

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Post by Brooks » Wed Dec 13, 2017 11:59 am

Thanks for the vote! All around been reading good things about the PM. My only concerns are the headphone amp and lack of multiple simultaneous aux sends. Although, it looks like there are ways around the aux with the creative use of a VCA.

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Post by Brooks » Wed Dec 13, 2017 12:31 pm

tuj wrote:Sounds very clean, saturates well.
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Post by 0x80 » Mon Dec 24, 2018 8:17 am

I have the PM and I was looking at the Hex system mainly because of it's three aux sends and the fact that they are stereo.

The main thing I don't like about the PM is the mono aux busses. I am using a delay and reverb that do not sound nearly as nice in mono, plus I like ping-pong delays, so they are using up my two stereo channels as a replacement for the aux returns.

Maybe I should use an Intellijel Mixup for the returns and patch them in the stereo mix input on the PM.

Then again, using the stereo channels on the PM for aux returns gives the option of feeding part of one aux return into the input of the other. So in my case the output of the delay into the input of the reverb.

Out of the box it seems nice that the Befaco system has direct outs as well, but I'm planning to make a separate little case for the PM with the DB25 connectors on the back. I tried using a DB25 cable in the normal upward facing direction, but with my cable that really wasn't an option since it's clunky and sticks out massively.

I guess what I'm trying to say is I think the Befaco mixer is definitely interesting and has some advantages over the PM for me, but I think I'll stick with the PM for now.

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Post by TheCoug » Mon Dec 24, 2018 11:53 am

I have both, and they each have some things that rule.
Hexmix:
Mute switches are AWESOME. They feel super good.
Stereo AUX send/return
Direct outs

PM:
Size. It's like 1/2 the size of the Hexmix system
Faders. They beat the hell out of knobs.
VC panning. Duh.

I have the Mutes expander for the PM, and that's what I am using now. I think overall it's a better mixer for my purposes.
That's my 2 cents!

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Re: WMD Performance Mixer or Befaco Hexmix System

Post by Multi Grooves » Mon Dec 24, 2018 3:35 pm

Brooks wrote:I would really like a mixer in my system and these two seem to be the tops. The direct outs are appealing on the Befaco just as CV is appealing on the WMD. Help!
CGM is top sounding, beautifully designed. Costly and takes space. Sounds awesome.
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Re: WMD Performance Mixer or Befaco Hexmix System

Post by Tonescape » Tue Dec 25, 2018 4:47 am

Multi Grooves wrote:
Brooks wrote:I would really like a mixer in my system and these two seem to be the tops. The direct outs are appealing on the Befaco just as CV is appealing on the WMD. Help!
CGM is top sounding, beautifully designed. Costly and takes space. Sounds awesome.
Another vote for the CGM system. Depending on channel count needs, it CAN get very pricey though, but feature set and sound is A+
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Post by MarkSinister » Sun Jan 06, 2019 10:58 am

Having recently looked at Eurorack mixing options I decided to go for the WMD solution. Deciding points were that I do not need the EQ facilities of the Befaco mixer and the sliders of the WMD. Of course an external mixer would be far more cost effective but I really wanted a mixer in Eurorack format and the CV control over various parameters is cool.

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Re: WMD Performance Mixer or Befaco Hexmix System

Post by Multi Grooves » Mon Jan 07, 2019 3:00 pm

Tonescape wrote:
Multi Grooves wrote:
Brooks wrote:I would really like a mixer in my system and these two seem to be the tops. The direct outs are appealing on the Befaco just as CV is appealing on the WMD. Help!
CGM is top sounding, beautifully designed. Costly and takes space. Sounds awesome.
Another vote for the CGM system. Depending on channel count needs, it CAN get very pricey though, but feature set and sound is A+
I find it amazing at time how many threads come up asking for mixing solutions, and despite throwing its name into the pot, it doesn't even get acknowledged...

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Post by macio » Wed Jun 26, 2019 6:45 am

But AUX sends for one channel in WMD PM are switchable (only one at a time). Don't you find it limiting?

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Post by mdoudoroff » Wed Jun 26, 2019 8:06 am

macio wrote:But AUX sends for one channel in WMD PM are switchable (only one at a time). Don't you find it limiting?
Sure, it’s limiting, but everything is a compromise. This is modular, so patch around it! I just picked up an X-PAN to use as a stereo submixer, mainly so I can patch a separate stereo effects chain upstream before I get to my WMD PM. Still way more channels and less $$$ and way less HP than Befaco/ADDAC/Frap.
I find it amazing at time how many threads come up asking for mixing solutions, and despite throwing its name into the pot, it doesn't even get acknowledged...
It is possible that some folks are overlooking the CGM, but I suspect that most for whom that approach it is genuinely attractive are finding it. Some CGM owners throw around assertions about how “good it sounds”, but what does that even mean? To my knowledge, all the top end options sound perfectly fine for purpose. Seems to me the core value of CGM is its custom configurability and expandability. YMMV with the rest of the design choices.

My perspective is that the CGM is directly competitive with the Befaco and ADDAC options, and if you’re prepared to part with that much cash and HP, then you should definitely look at all three very carefully. Each presents rather distinct priorities.

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Post by bc3 » Wed Jun 26, 2019 9:21 am

Lord mdoudoroff has spoken and you should listen.

He has done extensive research on the subject of mixers in eurorack.

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Post by mdoudoroff » Wed Jun 26, 2019 9:24 am

bc3 wrote:Lord mdoudoroff has spoken and you should listen.
Sometimes. But not too closely. :lol:

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Post by macio » Wed Jun 26, 2019 9:44 am

What I like in CGM is that I have post-faders out's for each channel. I'm planning to add ADDAC803 for quad spatialization. That would mean I could go with one voice to quad to the audience, control its level in one place and get the stereo-panned representation (approximation) in CGM master for cueing.

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Post by Neo » Wed Jun 26, 2019 3:50 pm

Tesseract Tex Mix is another good option. Add channels in groups of 4, 2 aux sends, and cheap. Haven't it tried it yet but planning on getting some.
https://www.tesseractmodular.com/eurora ... es/tex-mix

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Post by scragz » Wed Jun 26, 2019 6:09 pm

Neo wrote:Tesseract Tex Mix is another good option. Add channels in groups of 4, 2 aux sends, and cheap. Haven't it tried it yet but planning on getting some.
https://www.tesseractmodular.com/eurora ... es/tex-mix
Really limited CV on the Tex Mix unfortunately. You get a volume CV in on the mono panel is it.

I ended up going with the Happy Nerding PanMix for what it's worth, as I don't have space for all the fancy ones. Does a LOT in 16HP, but no aux sends. I woulda gone WMD if I had another row to spare (or CGM if I had another row and $2k).

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Post by Cobramatic » Wed Jun 26, 2019 8:19 pm

Don't forget those direct outs on the WMD Mixer expander are PRE-Fader only.
I personally find that not very useful because I always want to record my 'live mix' of a performance.

For that reason I ended up getting a Frap Tool's mixer set. It is more expensive for sure but it has CV over everything, is totally expandable to your needs and importantly for me has direct outs POST-Fader (which is switchable to PRE if you really want that).

No sliders though - which I DO like on the WMD mixer.

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Post by OB1 » Thu Jun 27, 2019 2:19 am

The lack of EQ on the WMD makes it useless as a mixer for my workflow, and I have no reason to want CV control of levels, so it's Hexmix all the way for me. The VC panning in the PM would be nice, but that's the only advantage for me.

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Post by Heliophile » Thu Jun 27, 2019 5:39 am

scragz wrote:
Neo wrote:Tesseract Tex Mix is another good option. Add channels in groups of 4, 2 aux sends, and cheap. Haven't it tried it yet but planning on getting some.
https://www.tesseractmodular.com/eurora ... es/tex-mix
Really limited CV on the Tex Mix unfortunately. You get a volume CV in on the mono panel is it.
True, but with the space and money you save on the TexMix, it's easy to add a Doepfer A-134-1 voltage controlled panner or two. I'm very happy with my TexMix!
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