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Re: Mutable Instruments Marbles Random Sampler

Post by Eiymet » Tue Feb 16, 2021 11:31 am

Never happened to me... make sure you are not using too much draw from the case, if you're almost hitting max you can get issues.
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Hi, thanks for the answer ! I should have mention that i tried to have only this module power up in the case with not result... Anyway i'm way below the max power draw of my power suplly with all the modules installed ;)

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Re: Mutable Instruments Marbles Random Sampler

Post by gnometicsynthesis » Tue Feb 16, 2021 4:43 pm

Hi folks. I wanted to get a 2nd Marbles, but decided that I'd rather get 2 new modules instead. So I got a Grids to duplicate and expand on the "t" side of Marbles. Now I'm looking for a random sequencer/quantizer module to duplicate and possibly expand on the "x" side of Marbles. Any suggestions?

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Re: Mutable Instruments Marbles Random Sampler

Post by xcc » Tue Feb 16, 2021 4:47 pm

gnometicsynthesis wrote:
Tue Feb 16, 2021 4:43 pm
Hi folks. I wanted to get a 2nd Marbles, but decided that I'd rather get 2 new modules instead. So I got a Grids to duplicate and expand on the "t" side of Marbles. Now I'm looking for a random sequencer/quantizer module to duplicate and possibly expand on the "x" side of Marbles. Any suggestions?
I’d still get a Marbles for that ;). Maybe there’s room in the budget for a Pachinko?

If not, maybe an LFO/sample and hold/quantizer combo?

For a cheap but really fun random quantized sequencer look at the Erica Pico Seq. Super fun and useful but unfortunately no CV control.

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Re: Mutable Instruments Marbles Random Sampler

Post by autopoiesis » Wed Feb 17, 2021 3:19 pm

gnometicsynthesis wrote:
Tue Feb 16, 2021 4:43 pm
Hi folks. I wanted to get a 2nd Marbles, but decided that I'd rather get 2 new modules instead. So I got a Grids to duplicate and expand on the "t" side of Marbles. Now I'm looking for a random sequencer/quantizer module to duplicate and possibly expand on the "x" side of Marbles. Any suggestions?
Maybe grab a used Antimatter Brainseed (4hp) to record from one of the X outputs of your Marbles, and drive its playback order with another X output (or whatever else). You'd get a related (Marbles-derived, but temporally different) pitch sequence from that, in the same scale that Marbles is using.

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Re: Mutable Instruments Marbles Random Sampler

Post by hawkfuzz » Wed Feb 17, 2021 6:08 pm

Eiymet wrote:
Tue Feb 16, 2021 11:31 am
Never happened to me... make sure you are not using too much draw from the case, if you're almost hitting max you can get issues.


Hi, thanks for the answer ! I should have mention that i tried to have only this module power up in the case with not result... Anyway i'm way below the max power draw of my power suplly with all the modules installed ;)
You might be in a boot mode. Try to reload the firmware following the instructions on the site and see if your problems go away.
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Re: Mutable Instruments Marbles Random Sampler

Post by peachesandbacon » Fri Feb 19, 2021 5:00 am

Does anyone know if there's anyway to get a longer pattern length than 16 steps out of Marbles?
An alternative firmware perhaps, or using another module to somehow workaround it?

Any ideas?

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Re: Mutable Instruments Marbles Random Sampler

Post by Lux A Turner » Fri Feb 19, 2021 5:17 am

peachesandbacon wrote:
Fri Feb 19, 2021 5:00 am
Does anyone know if there's anyway to get a longer pattern length than 16 steps out of Marbles?
An alternative firmware perhaps, or using another module to somehow workaround it?

Any ideas?
Possibly by applying a CV to the Spread / Bias controls, possibly via a sequential switch? That would be my initial approach.

Edit: You might have trouble doing sequences with a prime-numbered number of steps, though :hmm:


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Re: Mutable Instruments Marbles Random Sampler

Post by peachesandbacon » Fri Feb 19, 2021 6:28 am

Lux A Turner wrote:
Fri Feb 19, 2021 5:17 am
peachesandbacon wrote:
Fri Feb 19, 2021 5:00 am
Does anyone know if there's anyway to get a longer pattern length than 16 steps out of Marbles?
An alternative firmware perhaps, or using another module to somehow workaround it?

Any ideas?
Possibly by applying a CV to the Spread / Bias controls, possibly via a sequential switch? That would be my initial approach.

Edit: You might have trouble doing sequences with a prime-numbered number of steps, though :hmm:
Yeah, I thought about using my sequential switch, but that would require getting a second pattern of 16 steps from one of the other outputs right?
(Assuming I wanted 32 steps for example)

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Re: Mutable Instruments Marbles Random Sampler

Post by hawkfuzz » Fri Feb 19, 2021 7:30 am

I assume you’re referencing looping.

You can transpose the sequence with two steps, one 0v and the other whatever you’d like and have it start after one loop. Yes its going to require another source. A gate would be fine for this.

If you wanted the second set of 16 to be entirely different you’ll need to experiment with bias and spread but they’ll be related slightly.
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Re: Mutable Instruments Marbles Random Sampler

Post by Lux A Turner » Fri Feb 19, 2021 12:43 pm

peachesandbacon wrote:
Fri Feb 19, 2021 6:28 am
Lux A Turner wrote:
Fri Feb 19, 2021 5:17 am
peachesandbacon wrote:
Fri Feb 19, 2021 5:00 am
Does anyone know if there's anyway to get a longer pattern length than 16 steps out of Marbles?
An alternative firmware perhaps, or using another module to somehow workaround it?

Any ideas?
Possibly by applying a CV to the Spread / Bias controls, possibly via a sequential switch? That would be my initial approach.

Edit: You might have trouble doing sequences with a prime-numbered number of steps, though :hmm:
Yeah, I thought about using my sequential switch, but that would require getting a second pattern of 16 steps from one of the other outputs right?
(Assuming I wanted 32 steps for example)
Not necessarily. Thinking off the top of my head here, but what I would do for 32 steps is send the CV via the sequential switch (set to 2 I/O's) to Spread or Bias and trigger it using the t2 out, going through a 1/16 clock division.

For (say) an 18 step sequence, I'd set the length to 6 steps, the seq. switch to 3 I/Os, feed it with 2 different CV's and trigger it from t2 via a 1/6th clock div. A 7 step sequence and 1/7th clock div. with 2 CV's would give a 21 step sequence (I think).

I would probably get the CVs from Stages or 3x MIA.
hawkfuzz wrote:
Fri Feb 19, 2021 7:30 am
...You can transpose the sequence with two steps, one 0v and the other whatever you’d like and have it start after one loop. Yes its going to require another source. A gate would be fine for this.

If you wanted the second set of 16 to be entirely different you’ll need to experiment with bias and spread but they’ll be related slightly.
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Re: Mutable Instruments Marbles Random Sampler

Post by recliq » Fri Feb 19, 2021 12:49 pm

peachesandbacon wrote:
Fri Feb 19, 2021 5:00 am
Does anyone know if there's anyway to get a longer pattern length than 16 steps out of Marbles?
An alternative firmware perhaps, or using another module to somehow workaround it?

Any ideas?
seems to be a quite simple fw hack...
https://forum.mutable-instruments.net/t ... ty/16248/4

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Re: Mutable Instruments Marbles Random Sampler

Post by Sync » Fri Feb 19, 2021 1:21 pm

gnometicsynthesis wrote:
Tue Feb 16, 2021 4:43 pm
Hi folks. I wanted to get a 2nd Marbles, but decided that I'd rather get 2 new modules instead. So I got a Grids to duplicate and expand on the "t" side of Marbles. Now I'm looking for a random sequencer/quantizer module to duplicate and possibly expand on the "x" side of Marbles. Any suggestions?
Maybe a Mimetic Digitalis?
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Re: Mutable Instruments Marbles Random Sampler

Post by hawkfuzz » Fri Feb 19, 2021 1:51 pm

recliq wrote:
Fri Feb 19, 2021 12:49 pm
peachesandbacon wrote:
Fri Feb 19, 2021 5:00 am
Does anyone know if there's anyway to get a longer pattern length than 16 steps out of Marbles?
An alternative firmware perhaps, or using another module to somehow workaround it?

Any ideas?
seems to be a quite simple fw hack...
https://forum.mutable-instruments.net/t ... ty/16248/4
Well there you are! Goes well beyond 32.
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Re: Mutable Instruments Marbles Random Sampler

Post by auditorycanvas » Sat Feb 20, 2021 12:36 am

peachesandbacon wrote:
Fri Feb 19, 2021 5:00 am
Does anyone know if there's anyway to get a longer pattern length than 16 steps out of Marbles?
An alternative firmware perhaps, or using another module to somehow workaround it?

Any ideas?
Assuming you're locking the pattern, send negative CV to Deja vu every other 16 notes to get different random notes, or positive CV to rearrange the same notes in the pattern.

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Re: Mutable Instruments Marbles Random Sampler

Post by peachesandbacon » Sat Feb 20, 2021 6:18 pm

Thanks for the answers everyone.
Looks like some smart cookie already made it, and it now goes to 128 steps.

Here's a direct link to the firmware.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/uty5z028dyotq ... 2.wav?dl=0

Credit to Jthrw over on the Mutable forum for this. :hail:

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Re: Mutable Instruments Marbles Random Sampler

Post by BlackBearDiner » Sat Feb 20, 2021 7:22 pm

Is there any info somewhere on how to chose the added lengths?

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Re: Mutable Instruments Marbles Random Sampler

Post by Buyakasoundman » Sat Feb 20, 2021 7:40 pm

BlackBearDiner wrote:
Sat Feb 20, 2021 7:22 pm
Is there any info somewhere on how to chose the added lengths?
Go here...
https://forum.mutable-instruments.net/t ... ty/16248/4
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Re: Mutable Instruments Marbles Random Sampler

Post by Thorsday » Sat Feb 20, 2021 10:53 pm

peachesandbacon wrote:
Sat Feb 20, 2021 6:18 pm
Thanks for the answers everyone.
Looks like some smart cookie already made it, and it now goes to 128 steps.

Here's a direct link to the firmware.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/uty5z028dyotq ... 2.wav?dl=0

Credit to Jthrw over on the Mutable forum for this. :hail:
Have you tried it? What do you think?

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Re: Mutable Instruments Marbles Random Sampler

Post by peachesandbacon » Sat Feb 20, 2021 11:06 pm

BlackBearDiner wrote:
Sat Feb 20, 2021 7:22 pm
Is there any info somewhere on how to chose the added lengths?
I haven’t tried it yet, but I believe it just gives the length knob a wider range. So it goes to 128 instead of 16

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Re: Mutable Instruments Marbles Random Sampler

Post by auditorycanvas » Sat Feb 20, 2021 11:35 pm

I loaded it up last night and had a play. It's pretty awesome. Can't see me using 128 steps, but 32 and 64 are super useful. Can be a bit tricky setting lower values, but 16 upward is surprisingly easy.

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Re: Mutable Instruments Marbles Random Sampler

Post by peachesandbacon » Sun Feb 21, 2021 12:54 am

auditorycanvas wrote:
Sat Feb 20, 2021 11:35 pm
I loaded it up last night and had a play. It's pretty awesome. Can't see me using 128 steps, but 32 and 64 are super useful. Can be a bit tricky setting lower values, but 16 upward is surprisingly easy.
For sure. I feel 128 is a little too long, but 32and 64 are perfect lengths.

I’ve always felt Marbles was a little underwhelming limited to 16 steps only, so this really unlocks it in my opinion.

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Re: Mutable Instruments Marbles Random Sampler

Post by starthief » Sun Feb 21, 2021 8:41 am

Huh... I tend to keep mine at less than 8 steps. 3 isn't uncommon.

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Re: Mutable Instruments Marbles Random Sampler

Post by Lux A Turner » Sun Feb 21, 2021 9:46 am

starthief wrote:
Sun Feb 21, 2021 8:41 am
Huh... I tend to keep mine at less than 8 steps. 3 isn't uncommon.
+1. As with much in Euro, less is often more with Marbles - although I can see there might be fun to be had, with a firmware version that had loop lengths based on things like prime numbers or the Fibonacci sequence.
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Re: Mutable Instruments Marbles Random Sampler

Post by peachesandbacon » Mon Feb 22, 2021 1:21 am

starthief wrote:
Sun Feb 21, 2021 8:41 am
Huh... I tend to keep mine at less than 8 steps. 3 isn't uncommon.
Wow. Interesting. I hardly ever have it that low. But I'm using it mostly to generate melodies not modulation I guess.

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Re: Mutable Instruments Marbles Random Sampler

Post by Lux A Turner » Mon Feb 22, 2021 7:55 am

peachesandbacon wrote:
Mon Feb 22, 2021 1:21 am
starthief wrote:
Sun Feb 21, 2021 8:41 am
Huh... I tend to keep mine at less than 8 steps. 3 isn't uncommon.
Wow. Interesting. I hardly ever have it that low. But I'm using it mostly to generate melodies not modulation I guess.
Although (of course) if you have Deja Vu turned even a little CCW, the notes in the loop will evolve, so you won't always get the same three notes each time. Marbles also subdivides some steps into halves, quarters and eighths - especially when T is in the orange mode - so even a three step loop can contain many more than three notes; although loop evolution in that mode means that you can gain / lose a whole chunk of notes with the evolution of a single step (I love the orange mode :love: )

Another thing: when driving Morphagene with Marbles, a sampled splice / gene may contain more than one note / tone - so again it's possible to get quite long runs of notes from a very small number of steps.


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