THE SPACE CASE TE-2 - Eurorack / Standalone Echo + Tape Unit

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Post by MotoModular » Mon Feb 03, 2020 11:37 am

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You're on Muffs, Jim. Cat lovers are abound. I, however, am the minority, and, am a dog person. Very cute video... Comet is adorable. The TE-2 is a warm idea. Loving the content... Thank you!
haha. Well he's not all that much larger than a big cat! And he's definitely as smart. He's a rescue from the streets of Aruba. They call the breed Cunucu, but really they're just street mutts that have the emotional presence of a human being. I think he understands more than we realize.

Great weekend. Things are tightening up for the boards.

Should be able to audio demonstrate some more complex features this week, since the micro p is tying itself up now. I've had to prioritize this instead of making more meat and potatoes demos.

So much to look forward to soon. From a personal level, what a relief it will be to show you all. This is too many years to endure one task.

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Post by mekohler » Mon Feb 03, 2020 12:54 pm

What exactly can be sequenced with the internal sequencer?

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What exactly can be sequenced with the internal sequencer?
GREAT QUESTION !

The reason you'll almost never catch me referring to it as a "sequencer" is because people approach sequencers with the feeling that they can either run it or not run it. Sequencers are meant to impose change in a constant pattern. Or they are off.

It's best to consider the TE-2 as having "positions". There are 8 of them. Then we use positions either stably or in motion.

When you power up the TE-2, you're automatically in position #1. It will stay in position #1 forever unless you change that. Similarly, you can put the TE-2 in one of the other positions #2-#8 by pressing the #button. The machine will stay in that position forever unless you change that. Or turn the TE-2 off.

But backing up...

When you power up the TE-2, you can just focus on the main knobs at the bottom as if the whole thing was just that itself.. A tape echo with just those knobs. This is position #1. You can ignore the upper stuff completely. You also don't need to patch anything.

If you select a parameter with the White toggle switch, and turn on that set with its button so that its LED is on, then every time you move to a different position #2-#8 you are then controlling said selected parameter with your #'d fader.

Example: Put the White toggle in "TM" (TIME), and turn on that set with the button so the LED is illuminated. Now your White set is on, but the other two sets are still off. Now look at all white faders.. so that's #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7 and #8, White faders only. Assuming you're starting from position #1, press #5 and instantly your White fader in the "5" column controls TIME as if it were the main knob and you ignore the main knob now. So if you' were coming from #1 and your main TIME knob was around the middle (12 o'clock) but your #5 White fader is around 3/4 up, when you jump over to #5 (by pressing the #5 button) you will increase your TIME setting a bunch.. by 1/4 turn. From 1/2 to 3/4. It will then stay there forever in position #5 until you switch to another position. So back to starting from power up and already in position #1... If you press #5, #1, #5, #1 back and forth over and over by hand pressing the buttons, your TIME (delay length) setting will go back and forth between the main TIME knob setting (#1) and the #5 White fader setting.

In one way, you can think of this as if they are presets in a plugin. In the above example, the White faders can be considered as 7 alternate settings for the TIME parameter. You could go to #2, send in some snare drums into the TE-2 and get the delay TIME setting you want using the #2 White fader and leave it there, then later in the day go to #3 and send in some pre recorded vocals and get the delay TIME setting you want for it using the #3 White fader and leave it there, then perhaps the next day send in some mono synth and set up White fader #4 for the delay setting you want and leave it here, so on and so forth with all the White faders. You have up to 8 positions to consider as TIME presets. The main knob, then #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8 White faders can be left in place for instant recall.

You can also switch the White toggle to RS (LPF Resonance) or MA (Modulation Amount) and treat the White faders in the above "8 presets" approach but for that parameter instead.

You also have Grey faders, which can control FB (Feedback), MS (Modulation Speed) or LP (LPF Cutoff), and can be arranged in the same manner as above. And then you have the Black faders, which can control TP (Tape level), DR (Dry Level) and HP (HPF Cutoff) and used as above.

The White set, Grey set, and Black set can each be turned on or off independently. So by having just the White set turned on, only your selected White parameter will change when you press different #'s by hand. But if you also have the Grey set and Black set turned on, you'll have three parameters changing positions and thus changing settings.

So all of that can be considered as "presets" and don't require motion to be usable. In the plug-in "storage" approach, you could for example have Resonance, Low Pass Cutoff, and Tape Level all be pre arranged in 8 different configurations that are recallable by pressing the # button that you want to hear.

You can start to of course use this in the context of "playing" the machine.. If you focus on just one set, perhaps just the Grey set with LP selected, turn it on and keep the Black set and White set off, have a bunch of Resonance turned up fully or mostly fully so that your LPF cutoff is either self oscillating or at least nice and apparent, then have 8 different settings in place for the cutoff with your Grey faders since that's what it's controlling, you could use your left hand at the 1-8 buttons to flip around between 8 different cutoff frequencies of the filter however you want. You could use it for making hard changes per measure of a song in a live electronic set, or you could change it for whole long segments of music that have sensitively established cutoff points that aren't that easy to dial in quickly on the fly. You'd know they were there, perhaps while on stage, and could engage the cutoff point by pressing the button # you wanted. That's a it of a crude example since dialing in a cutoff point might not be that hard really, but you get the idea.

To take things to more musical refinement... There are Drift (slew) pots for each set. The White set, Grey set, and Black set each have a slew pot. The slew is directly after the output of the Set CV and is in line before it hits the selected parameter. In the above example of using the Grey set to shift between 8 different positions/settings of LPF cutoff and with some resonance turned up on main RES knob, you could turn up some slew for Grey set and there would no longer be hard changes between different LPF cutoff settings. There would instead be some slew/drift between them. You can turn the Drift up just a little bit to smooth the transition, or you could turn it up pretty high and have say 6 seconds of time that it takes to reach the position's setting you just pressed. Make sense? So... if you're sitting in #1, your LPF cutoff is sitting in a certain spot, and you press #5 to go to #5 Grey fader's LPF cutoff setting, and you have the Drift up say 3/4 for the Grey set, it will take several seconds for the transition to occur. Since the resonance is up high, it'll sound just like a classic filter sweep that takes several seconds to transition between the two settings.

This is all still just using the positions in a stable context. When you have all three sets active, it can get very complex but it can also just be more musically usable. You can use the TE-2 as a cassette synthesizer by playing back a pre recorded pitch on tape... Have the White set on Time (pitch), the Grey set on Low Pass Filter, and the Black set on Tape Level, and have 8 different positions to "play" by hand using the 1-8 buttons. In that arrangement, that's having "pitch, tone, and volume" available making for a dynamic playable situation using buttons #1-#8. Then, if you introduce different amounts of Drift on each pitch, tone, and volume, you can get some organic transition between 8 positions, and they don't need to be the same.

Eventually, it made sense to be able to have positions change on their own, which led to the Cycle. When you run the Cycle, it constantly moves to the next step just like any basic sequencer. In the context of the TE-2 it changes the position of the machine just like pressing a #1-#8 button. There is a rate knob which allows for very slow stepping at minimum (many seconds), and very fast stepping at maximum (audio rate motion). There is a rotary knob that selects what the last step will be, so that you can limit it to being a #1-#2 trade off back and forth, a full #1-#8 cycle, or anywhere in between such as #1-#6. You can think of the Cycle as modulation. If you for example have your LPF cutoff chosen for your Grey set, and your resonance is self oscillating, you could crank the rate up so that you have some pretty rapid change.. you'll have essentially a square wave of LPF cutoff change. But if you introduce some Drift to that Grey set, you'll get this video below.. So that's a cassette simply playing back, and the Res controlled by hand so it's more apparent sometimes, and the Grey set hitting LPF cutoff with rapid changes back and forth from #1 and #2, through some drift. It's also one other thing.. which is some cross patching of faders/sets, which we'll get to in the manual ...


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Post by mekohler » Mon Feb 03, 2020 4:26 pm

Thank you :]

Semi un-related: One thing I like about the arbhar granular is that it has a built-in condenser mic, might be something work thinking about in a future revision :o (not trying to be annoying with feature creep)

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Post by nearly ghost » Sun Feb 09, 2020 2:18 pm

Is there an actual ETA on these bad boys yet? Been following this thread with interest but been reluctant to pre-order

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Post by MotoModular » Sun Feb 09, 2020 3:17 pm

nearly ghost wrote:
Sun Feb 09, 2020 2:18 pm
Is there an actual ETA on these bad boys yet? Been following this thread with interest but been reluctant to pre-order
2085. Just in time for composers to experiment with “tape” to score historical fiction centennial films about the cold war.

Some very new phases coming up here soon, where we acquire an assortment of new third party numbers.

Thanks for the bizarre patience.

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Post by nearly ghost » Sun Feb 09, 2020 3:51 pm

MotoModular wrote:
Sun Feb 09, 2020 3:17 pm
nearly ghost wrote:
Sun Feb 09, 2020 2:18 pm
Is there an actual ETA on these bad boys yet? Been following this thread with interest but been reluctant to pre-order
2085. Just in time for composers to experiment with “tape” to score historical fiction centennial films about the cold war.

Some very new phases coming up here soon, where we acquire an assortment of new third party numbers.

Thanks for the bizarre patience.
Im intetested in buying one so i dont know what is bizarre about it but thanks for your response non the less

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Post by MotoModular » Sun Feb 09, 2020 5:39 pm

nearly ghost wrote:
Sun Feb 09, 2020 3:51 pm

Im intetested in buying one so i dont know what is bizarre about it but thanks for your response non the less
Apologies, that was just meant to thank the general thread of readers/buyers here, some of whom have tolerated this anticipation for a surreal amount of time!

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Post by MotoModular » Sat Feb 15, 2020 2:49 pm

Board interconnectivity methods are established and located (there are 2 hefty boards and 3 very small boards on the module itself, and one medium size board at the base of the enclosure that contains the accessory connection circuits and jacks), requiring some machine soldered flex ribbons but also a few hard jumpers for headers), all electromechanical hardware has been locked for a year along with the faceplate cuts with the exception of a new rotary that allowed better handling, star-ground planes were explored and are tested and now established and about to be implemented, motor current health, noise isolation, and control circuit localization received top priority since we depend on tempco based back EMF bridge circuit measurement for self speed monitoring, microcontroller pinout categorizations/options are set up for final distribution as well as the micro's four peripheral shift registers and two interrupt expanders, audio jumpers and test points are chosen, motor/time calibration methods and trimmer types are set (including a motor drift trimmer that can be adjusted by the end user were their machine to end up in a particularly hotter or cooler application/environment), audio and cv trimmers are set, pcb perimeters and mountings are good.
The processor pinout includes some USB expansion capability for the future. You will not be able to connect USB to the TE-2 directly yet, but in the future some adaptation will be offered (likely as part of the expansion module, but also there's a possibility of something different and more minimal) that will allow for USB musical connectivity. It may very well also allow for end-user firmware upgrades with some additional hardware. Nothing concrete to say about this yet since we made the decision to not spend time on it and instead just build in the pin needs into the TE-2 for this to happen when we wanted.
There are also some extra digital processor pinout I/O/s built into it, for if anything crops up as to be built into expansions.
There are also now more CV I/O headers than had been announced towards the end of last year. It just became apparent that we were a few pins away from having just simply everything on headers.
The audio jumpers in place for the potential of stereo linking is exciting. Surely it seems exotic right now, but it will be something to look forward to hearing.
Some other audio jumpers were replaced with basic test points as we became more confident with circuit groups. This saves space, and offered up the same space for the cv stuff.
A while ago some new things that got added to the enclosure accessory board that i haven't mentioned anywhere yet i don't think. One is a polarity flipper for the passive-to-active cv pathway. Originally one could already hook up a passive expression pedal to one rear jack and output an active +5/-5 signal from the other rear jack and use a cable to patch that up and into any CV input jack to give you +5/-5 foot control on the cheap. But a polarity reversal switch was implemented back there too, which means that yes it will then output the reverse. You could use this to have reverse foot control if that was desirable for given parameter, but another point of putting this in was to allow for optional gate flipping for controlling things like the Motor Kill or Record, etc. For example, when you look at the old instagram video of the keyboard controlling the motor speed of the person talking and also the motor itself gets killed on/off, that demo has a flipped gate so that when you release the key the MTR jack receives 5V to kill the motor. As the TE-2 stands, the jack is designed to receive 5V to kill the motor and 0V lets it run, so if we had patched straight in from keyboard gate out we would be killing the motor when we pressed a key instead of the opposite which is how the video shows. This polarity switch in back allows you to patch in an active gate and flip it so that the motor runs when you hold a key. That's just for the motor control application, and this can be handy for other gate jacks. In all regards of concern for over-voltages in this kind of gate flip application, things are protected where they need to be and -5 voltages are interpreted safely as 0V. Also, one reason for having the gate jacks be 5V actives and not classic interrupted 3 pin cv jacks is so that we didn't need to abandon banana users with their functions.
On a side note, the headphone function is pretty exciting too. It's sound is strong, loud, and natural, and the setup allows for aux patch ins either in mono or stereo. For someone to use this enclosure for other modules, you can skip the need for a power module and also a headphone module if you're lookin for portable. Using the TE-2 in the enclosure with headphones and a second mono/stereo aux signal patched in is pretty cool too.

I recently had a hangup with performance of two specific vintage transistor modern part substitutes for the FF/RW performance on the small isolated motor pcb. That's what i'm on right now and should have resolved Tuesday/Wednesday-ish, with a few other tasks in between.
After that, there aren't many hurdles before routing the darn thing out onto boards. That will commence with some wrapup footprint work to start, but most of that is already done and it's off to the races with population.
The key thing that puts us in a confident place is that everything abstract or complex or sensitive with the whole circuit and design changes has been tested already and settled in a design sense. That was a lot to take on but its' done. The work now is translating the success into SMT, which generally only improves things.
Thank you so much !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Post by DSC » Sat Feb 15, 2020 4:33 pm

MotoModular wrote:
Sat Feb 15, 2020 2:49 pm
There are also some extra digital processor pinout I/O/s built into it, for if anything crops up as to be built into expansions.
There are also now more CV I/O headers than had been announced towards the end of last year. It just became apparent that we were a few pins away from having just simply everything on headers.
The audio jumpers in place for the potential of stereo linking is exciting. Surely it seems exotic right now, but it will be something to look forward to hearing.
Heaven to my ears!!!!!
Thank you for this.
VERY much appreciated.
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Post by MotoModular » Wed Feb 26, 2020 2:12 pm

All of the remaining vintage electronic component replacements are complete and integrated and performing just like the originals.
We're in the middle of hardware/electrical file reconciliations across all aspects, proofing and clarifying.
Layout basics are looking good. It's a beastly set of boards.
Thank you all for the very kind patience lately, especially as I skipped this last friday.
This is the wrap up phase where all of the work unites. Nerves are a bit high and focus is the key here.
Thanks again I'm really looking forward to this.
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Post by TemplarK » Sat Feb 29, 2020 7:38 pm

MotoModular wrote:
Wed Feb 26, 2020 2:12 pm
All of the remaining vintage electronic component replacements are complete and integrated and performing just like the originals.
We're in the middle of hardware/electrical file reconciliations across all aspects, proofing and clarifying.
Layout basics are looking good. It's a beastly set of boards.
Thank you all for the very kind patience lately, especially as I skipped this last friday.
This is the wrap up phase where all of the work unites. Nerves are a bit high and focus is the key here.
Thanks again I'm really looking forward to this.
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So you have the first boards now? Can we see a pic? xD

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Post by MotoModular » Mon Mar 02, 2020 12:41 pm

TemplarK wrote:
Sat Feb 29, 2020 7:38 pm

So you have the first boards now? Can we see a pic? xD
We are not far off from this, and this thread will see them immediately.
It'll be a good day.
There are 6 pcb's.

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Post by TemplarK » Thu Mar 05, 2020 12:44 pm

I actually dream of using my TE-2 quite often. Last night it was TE-2 and a machinedrum i sold long ago xD My subconcious is waiting for it seems ideas are filling in my mind when i'm asleep even xD

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TemplarK wrote:
Thu Mar 05, 2020 12:44 pm
I actually dream of using my TE-2 quite often. Last night it was TE-2 and a machinedrum i sold long ago xD My subconcious is waiting for it seems ideas are filling in my mind when i'm asleep even xD
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Post by Thorsday » Thu Mar 05, 2020 9:48 pm

You know it's gonna be lovely :spin: :spin: :loves: :headbang:

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Post by Ruiner » Tue Mar 10, 2020 2:00 pm

Loving all the examples posted on Soundcloud. CAN'T WAIT.

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Post by MotoModular » Thu Mar 12, 2020 2:48 pm

Thank you everyone.
Just a public word that nothing is being slowed here by the COVID-19.
There are significant things happening close by though, including towns and counties being effectively shut down or even quarantined with the national guard enforcing it. One of the epicenters is about 50 miles away. There's a possibility that this immediate area of Newburgh/Beacon will face similar shut downs of commuting and business operations, but even so, still not much should be impacted with this progress here.
Wherever you are, stay healthy.

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MotoModular wrote:
Thu Mar 12, 2020 2:48 pm
Thank you everyone.
Just a public word that nothing is being slowed here by the COVID-19.
Good to know!

Have to say that maybe becausef of reading of people dreaming about TE-2, I visited this thread in my dream to find 10 new lowfi demos that sounded heavenly.

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Post by misterphoneman » Tue Mar 17, 2020 8:13 pm

Have you guys made any guitar samples yet?

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Post by Thorsday » Wed Mar 18, 2020 2:23 am

misterphoneman wrote:
Tue Mar 17, 2020 8:13 pm
Have you guys made any guitar samples yet?
I would like that very much!

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Post by MotoModular » Thu Mar 19, 2020 8:45 am

Then we shall.
There are a lot of demo types to cover yet.
If only we had a staff of 5 full timers!

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Post by muddy ranks » Thu Mar 19, 2020 4:02 pm

Pale Rider wrote:
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Anyone needing reassurance should rest easy-
Jim, who has been in this business for quite a while, is a
true stand behind their product creator. I have an earlier
Space Case Echo and he insisted I send it in, as he had made some mods
that would make it much better for use.

He's the real deal, and this new work will be absolutely amazing.
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Wow! This I really love!

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Post by succor » Thu Mar 19, 2020 4:31 pm

Jim, have you still been posting buyer's updates on your site? I haven't received one in a while. Thanks!

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Post by MotoModular » Thu Mar 19, 2020 4:36 pm

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Jim, have you still been posting buyer's updates on your site? I haven't received one in a while. Thanks!
Yes absolutely.
Sometimes the notices randomly end up in the spam folder, which is unfortunately not something we can correct since it is caused by an occasionally glitchy CRM sending system (but is otherwise excellent). Do a search in your spam and you’ll probably find them all.

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