Next oscillator.... what's more flexible?

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Post by j259 » Thu Aug 02, 2018 9:39 am

mattsb wrote:I am in a similar situation, trying to decide between a Rubicon/Dixie combination or an Instruo CsL. All the Rubicon demos seem to be fm sweeps and lots of modulation with little melodic content, whereas threre are a few CsL demos that much more “musical”, so I cannot tell whether I like the oscillator better or the content.

And for the life of me I can’t find a demo of TZFM vs not TZFM other than people demoing what it looks like on the oscilloscope. :sadbanana:
While I tend to use other voices for melodic content, I think the Rubicon has a lot of utility conveniences for melody, such as the octave switching, rock steady tracking, wide octave range, linear FM plus index cv when modulating TZFM, soft sync, sub out, etc.

Can you demo one in person?

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Post by Chartreuse-J » Thu Aug 02, 2018 10:36 am

Subconscious Communications Model 52 Vampire is a great osc if you are looking for analog osc/lfo. It is rarely mentioned and it's one of the more unique oscs with a wide array of modulation options either to be modulated or modulate other modules.

To be brief you get, a Clock, LFO, 3x Oscillator outs (all selectable) PWM, and alot more.

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Post by redonyellow » Thu Aug 02, 2018 2:44 pm

Can't go wrong with Make Noise DPO. Vactrol strike input is amazing. You can find videos on youtube.

(For my taste preference) Cs-L would be a one-up on the DPO but it is currently supply limited if you can afford to get it.

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Post by lisa » Thu Aug 02, 2018 3:00 pm

redonyellow wrote:(For my taste preference) Cs-L would be a one-up on the DPO but it is currently supply limited if you can afford to get it.
Cs-L is so much cooler! :) And not more expensive since the op is European. DPO is really expensive over here.
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Post by mattsb » Thu Aug 02, 2018 5:52 pm

j259 wrote: While I tend to use other voices for melodic content, I think the Rubicon has a lot of utility conveniences for melody, such as the octave switching, rock steady tracking, wide octave range, linear FM plus index cv when modulating TZFM, soft sync, sub out, etc.

Can you demo one in person?
That's the plan. Hopefully Moog Audio in Montreal have one to demo when I drop in the next couple of weeks.

There was a thread on MW 5 years ago where Exper posted a blind comparison between DPO, Rubicon and the Furthurrr (sp?) on Soundcloud for people to compare, and I keep going back to that. Attached is a link to (edited) the playlist

http://soundcloud.com/exper/sets/3-comp ... -osc-tests
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Post by albiedamned » Fri Aug 03, 2018 7:04 pm

I'll give another plug for FM Aid. It's a small and inexpensive way to get FM and wavefolder sounds using your existing oscillators.

One other option that no one has mentioned in this thread is Modcan FMVDO. Because it's digital, you can can use quantized ratios of modulator to carrier frequency to get pure FM sounds. Or you can turn off the quantization and get crazy FM like on standard complex oscillators.
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Post by nectarios » Sat Aug 04, 2018 5:54 am

Another vote for FM Aid from me, add a wavefolder and you're in business.

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Post by albiedamned » Sat Aug 04, 2018 8:55 am

nectarios wrote:Another vote for FM Aid from me, add a wavefolder and you're in business.
FM Aid actually sounds quite a bit like a wavefolder on its own, when you use it with just one input.
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Post by slumberjack » Mon Aug 06, 2018 5:42 pm

tpc slim vco makes my rooms shake and has a buchla influence afaik.

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Post by medium Rob » Mon Aug 06, 2018 8:56 pm

Plaits is pretty fun.. easy to use and fairly easy to achieve nice, pleasing sounds, with little effort. I have a small system (HEK), with a Rubicon v.1, which is somewhat underused. I do like the clean, accurate, full frequency range of the Rubicon (clean, piercing highs), but I haven't really unlocked its potential (modulation-wise) yet. I don't have room for a wave folder, and I haven't really 'cracked' it with the Wogglebug or Plaits modules (attempting at "complex" modulation) ... I have an opportunity to trade the Rubicon for a Loquelic Iteritas, which is advertised as a "complex oscillator", and it does seem more immediate and immediately characterful, compared to the Rubicon. I'm wondering if I'll regret trading the Rubicon for a Loquelic Iteritas, if the LI might prove to be less flexible and more "one-dimensional" than the Rubicon in the long run. It would free up some space for something like a function generator, which I think could be useful, to 'round out' / increase the capability of my small setup, eventually.

Anybody have any thoughts / opinions on the Loquelic Iteritas that they wouldn't mind sharing? It does seem pretty nasty and aggressive sounding, even a bit extreme, identifiable and capable of some gnarly sounds. Would the LI be a good compliment / contrast / augmentation to Plaits? Is the LI capable of a broad range of timbres, and does it have a large dynamic range (can it be (clean-ish, quiet) / tender / tenuous-sounding / pretty etc.) ? I read some posts about difficulty dialing in clean, upper register/high-pitched sounds. any thoughts, or insights about these modules would be greatly appreciated.

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Post by st_corbin » Wed Aug 08, 2018 5:02 pm

medium Rob wrote:Anybody have any thoughts / opinions on the Loquelic Iteritas that they wouldn't mind sharing? It does seem pretty nasty and aggressive sounding, even a bit extreme, identifiable and capable of some gnarly sounds. Would the LI be a good compliment / contrast / augmentation to Plaits? Is the LI capable of a broad range of timbres, and does it have a large dynamic range (can it be (clean-ish, quiet) / tender / tenuous-sounding / pretty etc.) ? I read some posts about difficulty dialing in clean, upper register/high-pitched sounds. any thoughts, or insights about these modules would be greatly appreciated.
I love my LIP. At first I thought it was difficult to tame but I have been able to get some nice higher register leads and such out of it. Sending it through a nice filter or some reverb always helps to smooth things out.

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Post by SB-SIX » Thu Aug 09, 2018 2:36 am

Here i've tried to explore the softer side of the loquelic. It definitely tends to get harsh quickly, but I've found out that starting with all knobs CCW you can start quite tame in all 3 modes, and dial in chaos to taste.

Loquelic iteritas is the only soundsource, running thru the magneto

https://soundcloud.com/steeboo/the-soft ... lic-iteras

http://soundcloud.com/steeboo/the-softe ... lic-iteras
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Post by nectarios » Thu Aug 09, 2018 4:05 am

Shapeshifter is very flexible. I am selling a v2.02 one, in its own box like new :tu:

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Post by soon_come » Sun Jan 06, 2019 1:02 pm

Klavis Twin Waves. Best digital oscillator(s) I’ve ever used.

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Post by defalut » Sun Jan 06, 2019 2:30 pm

soon_come wrote:Klavis Twin Waves. Best digital oscillator(s) I’ve ever used.
Cool! I´ve had a few and a TW will arrive here wednesday; really have high hope for it.

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Post by Todai » Sun Jan 06, 2019 4:33 pm

When I watched the last mylarmelodies podcast he asked DivKid the 'which oscillator would you take to the lonely island' question.

Without hesitation he replied 'something digital, it's so versatile'.


Couldn't agree more. I've had a few and the one that stayed is the E352.

There's also Plaids right underneath and I'd say for a start that would also give you a lot of milage...

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Post by de_raaf » Sun Jan 06, 2019 10:34 pm

kind depends what you like, haven't tried all of the stuff especially lot of the new stuff
love the wmd stuff synchrdoyne+expander, pdo with its expanders still kinda underrated
my first vco still love it was the anti osc just has a special sound, have two and still use them a lot
as far as complex buchla 259 inspired) in a package i like the hertz donut mk2, has a special sound or sort of glow to it, mk3 is a bit of a different beast
i guess try some out newer or older, more versatile isn't always better, it depends also great on the amount of control you can have on it via cv or pots and how it feels to tweak and play around with

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Post by Nino » Mon Jan 07, 2019 6:02 am

The octave switch on the Dixie 2+ is a big plus.

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Post by dubonaire » Mon Jan 07, 2019 6:10 am

Nino wrote:The octave switch on the Dixie 2+ is a big plus.
Same on the A-111. Very useful.

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Post by phineas » Mon Jan 07, 2019 6:40 am

I wonder why nobody recommends the Synth Tech E330. It's a great sounding and very versatile VCO that doesn't cost much.
Probably Plaits has pretty much pushed it out of the spotlight?!

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Post by magneteyez » Mon Jan 07, 2019 12:53 pm

nectarios wrote:Shapeshifter is very flexible.
+1 Flexible and deep

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