ACL Sinfonion

[zengomi]

Honestly, I've yet to hear anything employing the Sinfonion that I'd care to listen to again. [Harsh? Yah. So?] The issue is it's either utterly derivative conceptually or sonically weak. Mostly the former. I have a Sinfonion. Have yet dig into it. Ground zero is still ground zero.

[Naenyn]

Want.

Does anyone happen to know when Perfect Circuit will be restocked?

[Jaypee]

I read every posts about VCMC on this thread...and I'm not that sure if it's the right choice (if there is any) for sending midi information (chords) to my polysynths...what did you use for doing this? Is VCMC an "ok but not perfect solution"?

Cheers

[tokidoki]

... for sending midi information (chords) to my polysynths...what did you use for doing this?

We used two Doepfer A-192-2 Dual CV/Gate to Midi Interfaces but accuracy and precision were difficult to obtain. Doepfer have a bunch of great modules, the A-192-2 is not their best. Then we tested the ADDAC 222, the most clever and direct control of parameters. People at ADDAC helped us to find the best ways to fix many bugs and we were not far from the top when we discovered the Expert Sleepers General CV module. This one with its MIDI breakout expander is the most precise of all the tested modules. The only difficulty is to set the parameters with an ultratiny screen and many menus. The last we are checking now is the CVThing from Befaco. Better screen but software difficulties. Like people at ADDAC, Doepfer and Expert Sleepers, people at Befaco are always here to help and I'm sure in 2021 we'll reach the top with all these brands.

This experiment with a Sinfonion, the General CV and the CVThing. Not perfect but it's in progress :

[SirSickSik]

Might it be an idea to add a "semi-random" root progression generator, tonnetz style, that would generate a song sequence for the sinfonion?
Read as, calculating a "sound" progression that returns to the starting key after a set amount of steps with some randomisation of certain parameters of the calculation. (Eg. which and how many transformations may be used within the set amount of steps and how far the progression may move from the starting key.)

[cloudswim]

I read every posts about VCMC on this thread...and I'm not that sure if it's the right choice (if there is any) for sending midi information (chords) to my polysynths...what did you use for doing this? Is VCMC an "ok but not perfect solution"?

Cheers

I have the Befaco VCMC as well as the ADDAC221, imho the ADDAC221 is a better choice.

its tracking of CC to MIDI is very accurate. Its much easier to use and the switches allow you to make octave changes on the fly.

The VCMC on the other hand is quite complicated , just a lot of fiddling to get it right didn't like it so much. Especially the tiny little screen that you can't read anything. The design is not very good, felt like they tried to put too much inside something that should be much simpler. Not inspiring.

[tokidoki]

I read every posts about VCMC on this thread...and I'm not that sure if it's the right choice (if there is any) for sending midi information (chords) to my polysynths...what did you use for doing this? Is VCMC an "ok but not perfect solution"?

Cheers

I have the Befaco VCMC as well as the ADDAC221, imho the ADDAC221 is a better choice.

its tracking of CC to MIDI is very accurate. Its much easier to use and the switches allow you to make octave changes on the fly.

The VCMC on the other hand is quite complicated , just a lot of fiddling to get it right didn't like it so much. Especially the tiny little screen that you can't read anything. The design is not very good, felt like they tried to put too much inside something that should be much simpler. Not inspiring.

You send notes, CV and gates, with the ADDAC221 ?

[cloudswim]

... for sending midi information (chords) to my polysynths...what did you use for doing this?

We used two Doepfer A-192-2 Dual CV/Gate to Midi Interfaces but accuracy and precision were difficult to obtain. Doepfer have a bunch of great modules, the A-192-2 is not their best. Then we tested the ADDAC 222, the most clever and direct control of parameters. People at ADDAC helped us to find the best ways to fix many bugs and we were not far from the top when we discovered the Expert Sleepers General CV module. This one with its MIDI breakout expander is the most precise of all the tested modules. The only difficulty is to set the parameters with an ultratiny screen and many menus. The last we are checking now is the CVThing from Befaco. Better screen but software difficulties. Like people at ADDAC, Doepfer and Expert Sleepers, people at Befaco are always here to help and I'm sure in 2021 we'll reach the top with all these brands.

This experiment with a Sinfonion, the General CV and the CVThing. Not perfect but it's in progress :

I have the expert sleeper midi breakout I don’t think it’s more accurate than the ADDAC 221. Mode C on the ADDAC is a dream to use, I highly recommend it for someone looking to convert CC / gate to MIDI. 222 is different unit though. They are built really well also.

[tokidoki]

... for sending midi information (chords) to my polysynths...what did you use for doing this?

We used two Doepfer A-192-2 Dual CV/Gate to Midi Interfaces but accuracy and precision were difficult to obtain. Doepfer have a bunch of great modules, the A-192-2 is not their best. Then we tested the ADDAC 222, the most clever and direct control of parameters. People at ADDAC helped us to find the best ways to fix many bugs and we were not far from the top when we discovered the Expert Sleepers General CV module. This one with its MIDI breakout expander is the most precise of all the tested modules. The only difficulty is to set the parameters with an ultratiny screen and many menus. The last we are checking now is the CVThing from Befaco. Better screen but software difficulties. Like people at ADDAC, Doepfer and Expert Sleepers, people at Befaco are always here to help and I'm sure in 2021 we'll reach the top with all these brands.

This experiment with a Sinfonion, the General CV and the CVThing. Not perfect but it's in progress :

I have the expert sleeper midi breakout I don’t think it’s more accurate than the ADDAC 221. Mode C on the ADDAC is a dream to use, I highly recommend it for someone looking to convert CC / gate to MIDI. 222 is different unit though. They are built really well also.

We use the ADDAC 222 to send chords, notes, pitch-CVs and gates to MIDI. Can you send chords, notes to MIDI with the ADDAC 221 ?

[cloudswim]

... for sending midi information (chords) to my polysynths...what did you use for doing this?

We used two Doepfer A-192-2 Dual CV/Gate to Midi Interfaces but accuracy and precision were difficult to obtain. Doepfer have a bunch of great modules, the A-192-2 is not their best. Then we tested the ADDAC 222, the most clever and direct control of parameters. People at ADDAC helped us to find the best ways to fix many bugs and we were not far from the top when we discovered the Expert Sleepers General CV module. This one with its MIDI breakout expander is the most precise of all the tested modules. The only difficulty is to set the parameters with an ultratiny screen and many menus. The last we are checking now is the CVThing from Befaco. Better screen but software difficulties. Like people at ADDAC, Doepfer and Expert Sleepers, people at Befaco are always here to help and I'm sure in 2021 we'll reach the top with all these brands.

This experiment with a Sinfonion, the General CV and the CVThing. Not perfect but it's in progress :

I have the expert sleeper midi breakout I don’t think it’s more accurate than the ADDAC 221. Mode C on the ADDAC is a dream to use, I highly recommend it for someone looking to convert CC / gate to MIDI. 222 is different unit though. They are built really well also.

We use the ADDAC 222 to send chords, notes, pitch-CVs and gates to MIDI. Can you send chords, notes to MIDI with the ADDAC 221 ?

Yeh sorry my bad it’s the 222 that sends cc

[mdoudoroff]

The ADDAC221 is the 10X9 Channel CV to CC MIDI System
The ADDAC222 is the Multiphonic CV-to-MIDI Notes module

The current options for CV-to-MIDI notes seem to be:
ADDAC222
Analogue Solutions RS-300 (maybe)
Befaco VCMC
Befaco CV Thing
Doepfer A-192-2
Expert Sleepers General CV (with MIDI expander)
Expert Sleepers Disting (with MIDI expander)
SDS Accord Melisma
Tubbutec uTune

CV to MIDI is clearly a relatively straightforward problem.
Fabricating MIDI notes from CV is evidently not a straightforward problem.

[robotfunk]

Great overview. If introducing a DAW is not a problem, Expert Sleepers ES6 (with ES3) combined with Silent Way is another option.

[Jaypee]

The ADDAC221 is the 10X9 Channel CV to CC MIDI System
The ADDAC222 is the Multiphonic CV-to-MIDI Notes module

The current options for CV-to-MIDI notes seem to be:
ADDAC222
Analogue Solutions RS-300 (maybe)
Befaco VCMC
Befaco CV Thing
Doepfer A-192-2
Expert Sleepers General CV (with MIDI expander)
Expert Sleepers Disting (with MIDI expander)
SDS Accord Melisma
Tubbutec uTune

CV to MIDI is clearly a relatively straightforward problem.
Fabricating MIDI notes from CV is evidently not a straightforward problem.

Time for proper comparison?

Thank you for listing them!

[canopychasesounds]

Another experience with the Sinfonion.

This is really beautiful. I'd love to hear this at about 80% its current tempo.

[tokidoki]

The ADDAC221 is the 10X9 Channel CV to CC MIDI System
The ADDAC222 is the Multiphonic CV-to-MIDI Notes module

The current options for CV-to-MIDI notes seem to be:
ADDAC222
Analogue Solutions RS-300 (maybe)
Befaco VCMC
Befaco CV Thing
Doepfer A-192-2
Expert Sleepers General CV (with MIDI expander)
Expert Sleepers Disting (with MIDI expander)
SDS Accord Melisma
Tubbutec uTune

CV to MIDI is clearly a relatively straightforward problem.
Fabricating MIDI notes from CV is evidently not a straightforward problem.

Time for proper comparison?

Thank you for listing them!

We tested the two channels Doepfer A-192-2, the four channels ADDAC 222, the four channels General CV with Breakout MIDI expander and the four channels Befaco CV Thing. We have one more that is not Eurorack, the Kenton mono pro CV to MIDI box.

The one we use actually is the General CV. The ADDAC and the Befaco are waiting updates and the Kenton is waiting to be tested.

[tokidoki]

Another experience with the Sinfonion.

This is really beautiful. I'd love to hear this at about 80% its current tempo.

Thank you. We will upload other experiments during the month of March.

[Jaypee]

Tokidoki, it's wonderful.

[AnalogDigits]

<Ooops, ignore>

[LunaticSound]

or sonically weak.

Err, am i misunderstanding you here? Are you saying, you don´t like the sound of the sinfonion?

[ModusOp]

or sonically weak.

Err, am i misunderstanding you here? Are you saying, you don´t like the sound of the sinfonion?

I think this refers to that famous Zen koan “What is the sound of one quantizer quantizing?”

[Der Mann mit der Maschine]

Hi,

I am thinking about support MIDI in/out with the DROID.
Part of that would be a CV to MIDI gateway. It would support up to eight CV/Gate input pairs, would have
very precise AD converters and low latency. And would allow flexible mapping of everything.
Could you say what would be the most important features for this apart from that? Where are the usual pain points or deficiencies in the
existing solutions? What would be a reason e.g. for you to check out such a new solution?

Cheers,

Mathias

The ADDAC221 is the 10X9 Channel CV to CC MIDI System
The ADDAC222 is the Multiphonic CV-to-MIDI Notes module

The current options for CV-to-MIDI notes seem to be:
ADDAC222
Analogue Solutions RS-300 (maybe)
Befaco VCMC
Befaco CV Thing
Doepfer A-192-2
Expert Sleepers General CV (with MIDI expander)
Expert Sleepers Disting (with MIDI expander)
SDS Accord Melisma
Tubbutec uTune

CV to MIDI is clearly a relatively straightforward problem.
Fabricating MIDI notes from CV is evidently not a straightforward problem.

Time for proper comparison?

Thank you for listing them!

We tested the two channels Doepfer A-192-2, the four channels ADDAC 222, the four channels General CV with Breakout MIDI expander and the four channels Befaco CV Thing. We have one more that is not Eurorack, the Kenton mono pro CV to MIDI box.

The one we use actually is the General CV. The ADDAC and the Befaco are waiting updates and the Kenton is waiting to be tested.

[LunaticSound]

or sonically weak.

Err, am i misunderstanding you here? Are you saying, you don´t like the sound of the sinfonion?

I think this refers to that famous Zen koan “What is the sound of one quantizer quantizing?”

When a tree falls in the woods, and no one is there to record a sample, is it still great material for the next banger?