Joranalogue RECEIVE 2 - Dual Balanced XLR/Jack Line Inputs

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Post by joranalogue » Fri May 17, 2019 5:53 am

Check out Little Modular's video review of Receive 2 and Transmit 2!

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Post by joranalogue » Tue Sep 08, 2020 5:59 am

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Post by cloudleft » Thu Nov 12, 2020 12:24 am

hi Joran, may I ask when you anticipate restocks for these at your US distributors? Happy joranalogue user here :)

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Post by joranalogue » Thu Nov 12, 2020 4:08 am

cloudleft wrote:
Thu Nov 12, 2020 12:24 am
hi Joran, may I ask when you anticipate restocks for these at your US distributors? Happy joranalogue user here :)
New units are in production now (as is a huge number of modules in the rest of the series) and all dealers will be restocked over the next few weeks.
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Post by ookrsia » Thu Nov 12, 2020 5:34 am

Hey, I'm unable to find some technical detail related to the Receive 2:

Do you have ideas on:

-What is the total harmonic distortion plus noise?
-Input impedance (i know it is DC coupled)?
-Max input level point to point?

I'm considering options for modules that would transform 2 x balanced line level signals to eurorack level.
I currently have a really cheap Erica synths Pico Input which really destroys a sound if you have to use lots of gain with it.

There arent a lot of options and the Receive 2 seems to be very shielded and has lots of gain, but i'm not looking to use it with microphones.

Though, I would guess that the biggest problem with noise in bringing signals to eurorack happens when the input module amplifies the noise that is already present in the the output of the sound card (instead of the noise it adds itself.)

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Post by joranalogue » Thu Nov 12, 2020 5:58 am

ookrsia wrote:
Thu Nov 12, 2020 5:34 am
Hey, I'm unable to find some technical detail related to the Receive 2:

Do you have ideas on:

-What is the total harmonic distortion plus noise?
-Input impedance (i know it is DC coupled)?
-Max input level point to point?

I'm considering options for modules that would transform 2 x balanced line level signals to eurorack level.
I currently have a really cheap Erica synths Pico Input which really destroys a sound if you have to use lots of gain with it.

There arent a lot of options and the Receive 2 seems to be very shielded and has lots of gain, but i'm not looking to use it with microphones.

Though, I would guess that the biggest problem with noise in bringing signals to eurorack happens when the input module amplifies the noise that is already present in the the output of the sound card (instead of the noise it adds itself.)
THD+N is essentially non-existent, even at high gain. I now have sensitive enough gear to measure this, but no time to run these tests at the moment I'm afraid. The differential input impedance is 48 kΩ (see also manual), common-mode impedance approaches infinity, just like a transformer. It'll handle signals right up to the Eurorack power rails without issues, so 24 Vpp.
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Post by cloudleft » Thu Nov 12, 2020 1:42 pm

joranalogue wrote:
Thu Nov 12, 2020 4:08 am

New units are in production now (as is a huge number of modules in the rest of the series) and all dealers will be restocked over the next few weeks.
Cheers for that!

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Post by snakejaw » Sat Nov 21, 2020 6:05 pm

Mine's on preorder from Perfect Circuit! Can't wait to get it!

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Post by guitargyro » Fri Mar 12, 2021 8:30 pm

Just ordered one of these with the intention of using mainly with Morphagene and 4ms STS. Everyone still digging on them? This combined with my new ADDAC Floor Control seems like a looping game changer...

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Post by guitargyro » Sun Mar 28, 2021 2:59 pm

Finally got around to using mine and I think I may need to use some different mics (too quiet) or possibly try condensers instead.

Also thought about possibly using the same dynamic mics with a Cloudlifter. Anyone tried that?

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Post by adaris » Sun Mar 28, 2021 3:21 pm

I'm using it with my digital piano and it works great with that. It's been a while since I've used it with a mic but my recollection was it worked well with my Sennheiser E935 also. So I haven't had any complaints.

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Post by soundular » Thu Apr 01, 2021 11:49 pm

guitargyro wrote:
Sun Mar 28, 2021 2:59 pm
Finally got around to using mine and I think I may need to use some different mics (too quiet) or possibly try condensers instead.

Also thought about possibly using the same dynamic mics with a Cloudlifter. Anyone tried that?
So you can't get this to work with dynamic mics? Are you still not getting a good signal from the receive 2?

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Post by guitargyro » Fri Apr 02, 2021 10:11 pm

soundular wrote:
Thu Apr 01, 2021 11:49 pm
guitargyro wrote:
Sun Mar 28, 2021 2:59 pm
Finally got around to using mine and I think I may need to use some different mics (too quiet) or possibly try condensers instead.

Also thought about possibly using the same dynamic mics with a Cloudlifter. Anyone tried that?
So you can't get this to work with dynamic mics? Are you still not getting a good signal from the receive 2?
Was trying to mic a piano. I think the issue was I didn’t have the mics positioned close enough. I moved them closer and that helped. But I still found them to be a little quiet.

I was told that boosting them with a VCA module would likely be enough of a boost. But instead I remembered I have a AEA TRP (The Ribbon Pre) preamp. As I didn’t have any more room in my Skiff for a VCA. With the TRP it was plenty of gain and came in pretty loud and clear.

I do think I would like the sound better with some better SDC mics. I may try my tube SDCs and I’m guessing that’ll be more of the sound I’m going for, may not even need the extra pre with those mics. I’ll report back when I try them out.

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Post by soundular » Mon Apr 05, 2021 9:14 am

guitargyro wrote:
Fri Apr 02, 2021 10:11 pm
soundular wrote:
Thu Apr 01, 2021 11:49 pm
guitargyro wrote:
Sun Mar 28, 2021 2:59 pm
Finally got around to using mine and I think I may need to use some different mics (too quiet) or possibly try condensers instead.

Also thought about possibly using the same dynamic mics with a Cloudlifter. Anyone tried that?
So you can't get this to work with dynamic mics? Are you still not getting a good signal from the receive 2?
Was trying to mic a piano. I think the issue was I didn’t have the mics positioned close enough. I moved them closer and that helped. But I still found them to be a little quiet.

I was told that boosting them with a VCA module would likely be enough of a boost. But instead I remembered I have a AEA TRP (The Ribbon Pre) preamp. As I didn’t have any more room in my Skiff for a VCA. With the TRP it was plenty of gain and came in pretty loud and clear.

I do think I would like the sound better with some better SDC mics. I may try my tube SDCs and I’m guessing that’ll be more of the sound I’m going for, may not even need the extra pre with those mics. I’ll report back when I try them out.
Yeah that's fair! I know some mics are just notorious for needing something like a cloudlifter to provide a decent signal. Are the mics you tried a matched stereo pair?

Also I'm pretty sure that Ribbon mics generally need lots of gain, so if you go with a different mic, you'll probably have better results.

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Post by noisewreck » Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:48 pm

soundular wrote:
Thu Apr 01, 2021 11:49 pm
guitargyro wrote:
Sun Mar 28, 2021 2:59 pm
Finally got around to using mine and I think I may need to use some different mics (too quiet) or possibly try condensers instead.

Also thought about possibly using the same dynamic mics with a Cloudlifter. Anyone tried that?
So you can't get this to work with dynamic mics? Are you still not getting a good signal from the receive 2?
Receive2 is designed to accept line level signals. Mic outputs are way too low for this. You’ll need a preamp to bring them up to line level before connecting to Receive 2.

This is the same thing as connecting Mics to mixers or audio interfaces. This is why many mixers and audio interfaces come with mic pres.

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Post by InvictusHF » Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:03 am

Use one and love it - performs faultlessly for getting audio out of my DAW and into my modular setup.

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Post by trickness » Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:40 am

noisewreck wrote:
Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:48 pm
soundular wrote:
Thu Apr 01, 2021 11:49 pm
guitargyro wrote:
Sun Mar 28, 2021 2:59 pm
Finally got around to using mine and I think I may need to use some different mics (too quiet) or possibly try condensers instead.

Also thought about possibly using the same dynamic mics with a Cloudlifter. Anyone tried that?
So you can't get this to work with dynamic mics? Are you still not getting a good signal from the receive 2?
Receive2 is designed to accept line level signals. Mic outputs are way too low for this. You’ll need a preamp to bring them up to line level before connecting to Receive 2.

This is the same thing as connecting Mics to mixers or audio interfaces. This is why many mixers and audio interfaces come with mic pres.
From the product page on the Joranalogue website:

“The very clean integrated pre-amps feature variable gain, ranging from unity to +40 dB on each channel. As a result, Receive 2 can handle just about any signal source you may encounter, including electric instruments, piezoelectric pickups and many dynamic microphones.”

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Post by Bachelard » Thu Apr 08, 2021 8:27 am

trickness wrote:
Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:40 am
noisewreck wrote:
Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:48 pm
soundular wrote:
Thu Apr 01, 2021 11:49 pm
guitargyro wrote:
Sun Mar 28, 2021 2:59 pm
Finally got around to using mine and I think I may need to use some different mics (too quiet) or possibly try condensers instead.

Also thought about possibly using the same dynamic mics with a Cloudlifter. Anyone tried that?
So you can't get this to work with dynamic mics? Are you still not getting a good signal from the receive 2?
Receive2 is designed to accept line level signals. Mic outputs are way too low for this. You’ll need a preamp to bring them up to line level before connecting to Receive 2.

This is the same thing as connecting Mics to mixers or audio interfaces. This is why many mixers and audio interfaces come with mic pres.
From the product page on the Joranalogue website:

“The very clean integrated pre-amps feature variable gain, ranging from unity to +40 dB on each channel. As a result, Receive 2 can handle just about any signal source you may encounter, including electric instruments, piezoelectric pickups and many dynamic microphones.”
Yeah, the description should be adjusted, because I just realized the module actually says "dual LINE inputs." It sort of works with my dynamic headset mic if i plug it straight in, but I have to crank the gain all the way up to get a decent signal into the Beads. I have to run it into my line mixer first and send it through one of the monitor Sends into the RX2, which then gives it a healthy level into other modules.

For using mics, I would say the Befaco i4 is much more ideal (it even has built-in phantom power). I might end up grabbing that instead.

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Post by guitargyro » Sat Apr 10, 2021 12:37 am

noisewreck wrote:
Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:48 pm
soundular wrote:
Thu Apr 01, 2021 11:49 pm
guitargyro wrote:
Sun Mar 28, 2021 2:59 pm
Finally got around to using mine and I think I may need to use some different mics (too quiet) or possibly try condensers instead.

Also thought about possibly using the same dynamic mics with a Cloudlifter. Anyone tried that?
So you can't get this to work with dynamic mics? Are you still not getting a good signal from the receive 2?
Receive2 is designed to accept line level signals. Mic outputs are way too low for this. You’ll need a preamp to bring them up to line level before connecting to Receive 2.

This is the same thing as connecting Mics to mixers or audio interfaces. This is why many mixers and audio interfaces come with mic pres.
Yeah that’s not actually true. They are definitely mic pres. 40db’s of gain. That may be enough for many sources depending on the mics.

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