Can someone convince me to keep the Verbos Multi Delay vs. having 2 of these?
The HP savings is tempting and the sound...
The Verbos is a digital delay emulating an analog delay; so not really any point to it since you can do the same thing more efficiently and cheaply in software, and it's rather too clean.
the Sarajewo is a BBD delay, and subject to all the quirks that characterize BBDs. Far more character and colour than digital delays.
Verbos Multidelay is not a digital emulation of analog delay. Its using some unique method of passing 1 bit chunks of information down the delay line. No microprocessor involved. Theres a video of Mark explaining but i believe it was a design attempted by Buchla but the noise levels were too high back in the day. you would have a hard time replacing the Multi-delay with software
But yes they are vastly different devices (Verbos delay and XAOC delay), to the point its impossible to definitively say what works better for someone’s purposes. The ability to sync a BBD delay stands out as a strong feature to me for the XAOC
From what I've heard of the Sarajewo they don't seem similar at all. The Verbos Delay is fantastic, great sounding and very open to feedback patching; quite noisy at higher delay times too. The XAOC one seems to sound stellar. I'm certainly tempted myself. It sure would go nicely next to Kamieniec.
In one presentation Mark Verbos said the Multi Delay was also in part inspired by the Ursa Major, if that helps the "comparison". But honestly they seem really quite different.
The xaoc is going to be a modern classic, I’m sure of it. It sounds incredibly musical when modulated, even when synced and jumping between clock divisions. It adds such a lot to sounds put though it, very spatial despite being just a mono delay with EQ in the feedback path.
Formerly 'Raven_Martin' on Muffwiggler
'And those who were seen dancing were thought to be insane by those who could not hear the music' - Nietzsche
yea im tempted to add one next to my multidelay eventually, feedback patching/getting the Sarajewo to play on sync while the verbos echoes the spaces in between
Got mine last week and was instantly reminded of my old Electro Harmonix Deluxe Memory Man....actually 3 of them. Had been working on a track with Magneto but Sarajewo sits much better in the mix I think...video below. T1 centre, T2 and T3 left and right. Playing with feedback towards the end of the track.
yea im tempted to add one next to my multidelay eventually, feedback patching/getting the Sarajewo to play on sync while the verbos echoes the spaces in between
I posted a track with heavy Sarajewo use a page or two back, here ye go....
This is such a bloody lovely module, never used a delay like it, so natural and lush sounding. It does most of the work in this piece- sound source through it is a Brenso, then the mix output patched into one input of a stereo chorus, with T2 patched into the other side, then T3 taken into an Instruo Arbhar for added trills. Its the only thing in at the start and then stays in throughout. Sounds quite orchestral i think. Winner module and worth the considerable price and the wait.
Formerly 'Raven_Martin' on Muffwiggler
'And those who were seen dancing were thought to be insane by those who could not hear the music' - Nietzsche
Can someone convince me to keep the Verbos Multi Delay vs. having 2 of these?
The HP savings is tempting and the sound...
The Verbos is a digital delay emulating an analog delay; so not really any point to it since you can do the same thing more efficiently and cheaply in software, and it's rather too clean.
the Sarajewo is a BBD delay, and subject to all the quirks that characterize BBDs. Far more character and colour than digital delays.
Verbos Multidelay is not a digital emulation of analog delay. Its using some unique method of passing 1 bit chunks of information down the delay line. No microprocessor involved.
Haven't seen the video, just read the info on the Verbos website, which says "digital delay".
Got mine last week and was instantly reminded of my old Electro Harmonix Deluxe Memory Man....actually 3 of them. Had been working on a track with Magneto but Sarajewo sits much better in the mix I think...video below. T1 centre, T2 and T3 left and right. Playing with feedback towards the end of the track.
I posted a track with heavy Sarajewo use a page or two back, here ye go....
amazing work. both the track and the track as a demo for the module too. beautiful character to the delays and sync’d to the beat, its an easy sell for me with a track like that
Got mine last week and was instantly reminded of my old Electro Harmonix Deluxe Memory Man....actually 3 of them. Had been working on a track with Magneto but Sarajewo sits much better in the mix I think...video below. T1 centre, T2 and T3 left and right. Playing with feedback towards the end of the track.
That is very beautiful. Aside - is the Usta doing most of the sequencing? I've been looking at it but it looked too deep for simple minded me...
This has to be the most lush and gorgeous delay I've ever heard. Please someone tell me it's the best analog delay ever so I can stop overthinking this and buy it already.
Got mine last week and was instantly reminded of my old Electro Harmonix Deluxe Memory Man....actually 3 of them. Had been working on a track with Magneto but Sarajewo sits much better in the mix I think...video below. T1 centre, T2 and T3 left and right. Playing with feedback towards the end of the track.
That is very beautiful. Aside - is the Usta doing most of the sequencing? I've been looking at it but it looked too deep for simple minded me...
Thanks! Yes USTA is doing all the sequencing. It's a very powerful sequencer, but a bit like the ER-101 one that is better used with intent IMHO (for melodic work at least) compared to a sequencer like René where you can use a more "random" approach. I would say there's multiple levels too, the basic functionality is immediate but there is a lot more you can learn over time (and the cheat sheet is always handy as some shortcuts are pretty obscure...).
This has to be the most lush and gorgeous delay I've ever heard. Please someone tell me it's the best analog delay ever so I can stop overthinking this and buy it already.
It is the best analog delay I've heard in the Eurorack format ever.
Thanks! Yes USTA is doing all the sequencing. It's a very powerful sequencer, but a bit like the ER-101 one that is better used with intent IMHO (for melodic work at least) compared to a sequencer like René where you can use a more "random" approach. I would say there's multiple levels too, the basic functionality is immediate but there is a lot more you can learn over time (and the cheat sheet is always handy as some shortcuts are pretty obscure...).
USTA & Sarajewo are also a great pairing. You can use the CV B in raw voltages to sequence the Sarajewo's time parameter.
I posted a track with heavy Sarajewo use a page or two back, here ye go....
amazing work. both the track and the track as a demo for the module too. beautiful character to the delays and sync’d to the beat, its an easy sell for me with a track like that
Thanks very much for the kind words Damase. Similarly I would love to hear what you come up with if you take the plunge on this one; post it if you do!
Formerly 'Raven_Martin' on Muffwiggler
'And those who were seen dancing were thought to be insane by those who could not hear the music' - Nietzsche
Hi there,
just got the Sarajewo. But it's strange. I know BDD have some unwanted frequencies but Xaoc use latest technics to filterize that.. It seems it doesn't work.
Don't understand
Maybe some help ?
ok,
I think it's about gain.
In my audio we can hear some little background noise, so BDD get this noise and amplify beacause of compressor and filters inside the module.. No?
Anyway really interesting and sometimes hard to find good levels for in and out...
Thanks!
Thanks very much for the kind words Damase. Similarly I would love to hear what you come up with if you take the plunge on this one; post it if you do!
