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Post by damase » Wed Nov 25, 2020 10:54 am

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Wed Nov 25, 2020 10:17 am
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Can someone convince me to keep the Verbos Multi Delay vs. having 2 of these?

The HP savings is tempting and the sound...
The Verbos is a digital delay emulating an analog delay; so not really any point to it since you can do the same thing more efficiently and cheaply in software, and it's rather too clean.

the Sarajewo is a BBD delay, and subject to all the quirks that characterize BBDs. Far more character and colour than digital delays.
Verbos Multidelay is not a digital emulation of analog delay. Its using some unique method of passing 1 bit chunks of information down the delay line. No microprocessor involved. Theres a video of Mark explaining but i believe it was a design attempted by Buchla but the noise levels were too high back in the day. you would have a hard time replacing the Multi-delay with software

But yes they are vastly different devices (Verbos delay and XAOC delay), to the point its impossible to definitively say what works better for someone’s purposes. The ability to sync a BBD delay stands out as a strong feature to me for the XAOC

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Post by Tumulishroomaroom » Wed Nov 25, 2020 11:20 am

From what I've heard of the Sarajewo they don't seem similar at all. The Verbos Delay is fantastic, great sounding and very open to feedback patching; quite noisy at higher delay times too. The XAOC one seems to sound stellar. I'm certainly tempted myself. It sure would go nicely next to Kamieniec.

In one presentation Mark Verbos said the Multi Delay was also in part inspired by the Ursa Major, if that helps the "comparison". But honestly they seem really quite different.
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Post by Carrousel » Wed Nov 25, 2020 11:54 am

The xaoc is going to be a modern classic, I’m sure of it. It sounds incredibly musical when modulated, even when synced and jumping between clock divisions. It adds such a lot to sounds put though it, very spatial despite being just a mono delay with EQ in the feedback path.
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Post by damase » Wed Nov 25, 2020 12:51 pm

would love to hear your demos Carrousel

yea im tempted to add one next to my multidelay eventually, feedback patching/getting the Sarajewo to play on sync while the verbos echoes the spaces in between

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Post by Tumulishroomaroom » Wed Nov 25, 2020 1:20 pm

Honestly one of my fav thing to do with the multi delay is running it into another delay so...
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Post by carlotter » Wed Nov 25, 2020 2:45 pm

Got mine last week and was instantly reminded of my old Electro Harmonix Deluxe Memory Man....actually 3 of them. Had been working on a track with Magneto but Sarajewo sits much better in the mix I think...video below. T1 centre, T2 and T3 left and right. Playing with feedback towards the end of the track.


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Post by Carrousel » Wed Nov 25, 2020 3:08 pm

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would love to hear your demos Carrousel

yea im tempted to add one next to my multidelay eventually, feedback patching/getting the Sarajewo to play on sync while the verbos echoes the spaces in between
I posted a track with heavy Sarajewo use a page or two back, here ye go....


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Post by luchog » Wed Nov 25, 2020 5:43 pm

damase wrote:
Wed Nov 25, 2020 10:54 am
luchog wrote:
Wed Nov 25, 2020 10:17 am
DCastillo wrote:
Wed Nov 25, 2020 8:34 am
Can someone convince me to keep the Verbos Multi Delay vs. having 2 of these?

The HP savings is tempting and the sound...
The Verbos is a digital delay emulating an analog delay; so not really any point to it since you can do the same thing more efficiently and cheaply in software, and it's rather too clean.

the Sarajewo is a BBD delay, and subject to all the quirks that characterize BBDs. Far more character and colour than digital delays.
Verbos Multidelay is not a digital emulation of analog delay. Its using some unique method of passing 1 bit chunks of information down the delay line. No microprocessor involved.
Haven't seen the video, just read the info on the Verbos website, which says "digital delay".

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Post by miles_macquarrie » Wed Nov 25, 2020 11:01 pm

carlotter wrote:
Wed Nov 25, 2020 2:45 pm
Got mine last week and was instantly reminded of my old Electro Harmonix Deluxe Memory Man....actually 3 of them. Had been working on a track with Magneto but Sarajewo sits much better in the mix I think...video below. T1 centre, T2 and T3 left and right. Playing with feedback towards the end of the track.

Lovely. What a great sounding delay module.

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Post by natureclubcassettes » Thu Nov 26, 2020 12:17 pm

Tumulishroomaroom wrote:
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The XAOC one seems to sound stellar. I'm certainly tempted myself. It sure would go nicely next to Kamieniec.
Goes even better next to the Katowice!! Amazing combo.

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Post by damase » Thu Nov 26, 2020 6:07 pm

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I posted a track with heavy Sarajewo use a page or two back, here ye go....
amazing work. both the track and the track as a demo for the module too. beautiful character to the delays and sync’d to the beat, its an easy sell for me with a track like that

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Post by NewNewRon » Thu Nov 26, 2020 6:38 pm

carlotter wrote:
Wed Nov 25, 2020 2:45 pm
Got mine last week and was instantly reminded of my old Electro Harmonix Deluxe Memory Man....actually 3 of them. Had been working on a track with Magneto but Sarajewo sits much better in the mix I think...video below. T1 centre, T2 and T3 left and right. Playing with feedback towards the end of the track.

That is very beautiful. Aside - is the Usta doing most of the sequencing? I've been looking at it but it looked too deep for simple minded me...

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Post by Electro Something » Thu Nov 26, 2020 8:09 pm

This has to be the most lush and gorgeous delay I've ever heard. Please someone tell me it's the best analog delay ever so I can stop overthinking this and buy it already. 😂

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Post by carlotter » Fri Nov 27, 2020 5:21 am

NewNewRon wrote:
Thu Nov 26, 2020 6:38 pm
carlotter wrote:
Wed Nov 25, 2020 2:45 pm
Got mine last week and was instantly reminded of my old Electro Harmonix Deluxe Memory Man....actually 3 of them. Had been working on a track with Magneto but Sarajewo sits much better in the mix I think...video below. T1 centre, T2 and T3 left and right. Playing with feedback towards the end of the track.

That is very beautiful. Aside - is the Usta doing most of the sequencing? I've been looking at it but it looked too deep for simple minded me...
Thanks! Yes USTA is doing all the sequencing. It's a very powerful sequencer, but a bit like the ER-101 one that is better used with intent IMHO (for melodic work at least) compared to a sequencer like René where you can use a more "random" approach. I would say there's multiple levels too, the basic functionality is immediate but there is a lot more you can learn over time (and the cheat sheet is always handy as some shortcuts are pretty obscure...).

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Post by carlotter » Fri Nov 27, 2020 5:22 am

Electro Something wrote:
Thu Nov 26, 2020 8:09 pm
This has to be the most lush and gorgeous delay I've ever heard. Please someone tell me it's the best analog delay ever so I can stop overthinking this and buy it already. 😂
It is the best analog delay I've heard in the Eurorack format ever. ;)

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Post by closedLoop » Fri Nov 27, 2020 8:06 am

carlotter wrote:
Fri Nov 27, 2020 5:21 am

Thanks! Yes USTA is doing all the sequencing. It's a very powerful sequencer, but a bit like the ER-101 one that is better used with intent IMHO (for melodic work at least) compared to a sequencer like René where you can use a more "random" approach. I would say there's multiple levels too, the basic functionality is immediate but there is a lot more you can learn over time (and the cheat sheet is always handy as some shortcuts are pretty obscure...).
USTA & Sarajewo are also a great pairing. You can use the CV B in raw voltages to sequence the Sarajewo's time parameter.

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Post by Carrousel » Fri Nov 27, 2020 4:22 pm

damase wrote:
Thu Nov 26, 2020 6:07 pm
Carrousel wrote:
Wed Nov 25, 2020 3:08 pm
I posted a track with heavy Sarajewo use a page or two back, here ye go....
amazing work. both the track and the track as a demo for the module too. beautiful character to the delays and sync’d to the beat, its an easy sell for me with a track like that
:tu: Thanks very much for the kind words Damase. Similarly I would love to hear what you come up with if you take the plunge on this one; post it if you do!
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Post by noisa im » Fri Nov 27, 2020 4:33 pm

Hi there,
just got the Sarajewo. But it's strange. I know BDD have some unwanted frequencies but Xaoc use latest technics to filterize that.. It seems it doesn't work.
Don't understand :/
Maybe some help ?

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Post by Shakespeare » Fri Nov 27, 2020 9:25 pm

Hard to know what you mean without an example... can you give us a clip?

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Post by noisa im » Sat Nov 28, 2020 7:25 am

ok,
I think it's about gain.
In my audio we can hear some little background noise, so BDD get this noise and amplify beacause of compressor and filters inside the module.. No?
Anyway really interesting and sometimes hard to find good levels for in and out...
Thanks! 8-)

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Post by noisa im » Sat Nov 28, 2020 7:26 am

my clip (sorry sounds bad)
I have to manage the sound better
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Post by Rafaelxyz » Sat Nov 28, 2020 8:26 am

The manual states that turning up the gain past a certain point will lead to distortion.

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Post by closedLoop » Sat Nov 28, 2020 11:33 am

noisa im wrote:
Sat Nov 28, 2020 7:26 am
my clip (sorry sounds bad)
I have to manage the sound better
Is it the background hiss that you're worried about?

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Post by suthnear » Sat Nov 28, 2020 11:42 am

I think the noise in that clip sounds amazing. I was starting to think that sarajewo was maybe a bit too clean, but this is more like it

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Post by noisa im » Sat Nov 28, 2020 12:18 pm

closedLoop wrote:
Sat Nov 28, 2020 11:33 am
noisa im wrote:
Sat Nov 28, 2020 7:26 am
my clip (sorry sounds bad)
I have to manage the sound better
Is it the background hiss that you're worried about?
Sometimes I like hiss, but when I decide ;-) Here I don't like so much

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