Joranalogue GENERATE 3 - Through-Zero Multiphonic Signal Generator

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Post by cackland » Fri Dec 27, 2019 12:37 pm

Love the demos

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Post by johannes » Fri Dec 27, 2019 2:24 pm

Me too. Especially the last of the three demos. It sounds gorgeous!

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Post by He_lium » Fri Dec 27, 2019 2:55 pm

Oh yes! great demos :love: Thanks to Ben Kiriaty

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Post by Precarious » Fri Dec 27, 2019 6:38 pm

Those demos by Ben Kiriaty are great!

Here's a noisy little drone I just made modulating Generate 3 with Instruo Cs-L and SSF/WMD Spectrum. Patch details in the video description.


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Post by pyjamarama » Sun Dec 29, 2019 12:28 am

oldenjon wrote:
Thu Dec 26, 2019 3:29 am
I think the answer to your first question is in a write in the patreon link a couple pages back: "Note that complex oscillators and waveshapers with “even/odd” controls don’t produce just even or just odd harmonics – they just throw the balance in one direction or the other by using rectification and wavefolding." So this seems like a different and simpler take on the the same concept; It's similar to what you expect from a basic VCO (sine, triangle, saw, and square-ish outputs) but is unique in that it provides the separate harmonic components as well, and does so without altering the waveforms much. It is an interesting feature but I don't think it is the main selling point. That would be simultaneous TZ-PM, TZ-FM, and TZ-AM IMO.
thanks for the response!

I don't know though.... I mean in the end what you hear when you throw the balance of odd/even harmonics in one direction or the other is pretty much what you hear when you blend them through attenuation pots containing those individual elements. it certainly is cool to be able to apply different modulation to the individual elements though.

as far as simultaneous TZ PM,FM and AM goes I'd be curious to hear a use case for this.

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Post by peripatitis » Sun Dec 29, 2019 2:26 am

this

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Post by Funky40 » Sun Dec 29, 2019 2:56 am

oh YES, some great demos !


me too, the metallic percussive ones :love:
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Post by guigui » Sun Dec 29, 2019 3:36 am

Generate 3 or ZPO?

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Post by johannes » Sun Dec 29, 2019 5:20 am

guigui wrote:
Sun Dec 29, 2019 3:36 am
Generate 3 or ZPO?
Already started a thread about this (Without any replies so far) :
viewtopic.php?f=16&t=225273&p=3168820#p3168820

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Post by johannes » Sun Dec 29, 2019 6:09 am

pyjamarama wrote:
Sun Dec 29, 2019 12:28 am

I don't know though.... I mean in the end what you hear when you throw the balance of odd/even harmonics in one direction or the other is pretty much what you hear when you blend them through attenuation pots containing those individual elements. it certainly is cool to be able to apply different modulation to the individual elements though.
By directly comparing both vco's or just by listening to demos of verbos co and g3?

i guess you will be more flexible with 3 parameters instead of one...

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Post by mbartkow » Sun Dec 29, 2019 10:00 am

All the demos I've seen so far are focused on showing the variety of timbres in the middle and high frequencies. These sound vey bright (which is a nice thing), but what about mellow sounds, and what about the bass? I would love to hear and see (on a scope) a simple example of a sine wave being tzfm-ed (as well as pm-ed) by another sine. Preferably using low audio frequencies.

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Post by oldenjon » Sun Dec 29, 2019 2:56 pm

pyjamarama wrote:
Sun Dec 29, 2019 12:28 am
thanks for the response!

I don't know though.... I mean in the end what you hear when you throw the balance of odd/even harmonics in one direction or the other is pretty much what you hear when you blend them through attenuation pots containing those individual elements. it certainly is cool to be able to apply different modulation to the individual elements though.

as far as simultaneous TZ PM,FM and AM goes I'd be curious to hear a use case for this.
It just means that the odd and even harmonic outputs are available without any complicated wavefolding or rectification circuits that would inherently alter the nature of the waveforms. They are also truly odd and even in this case, and you can still use wavefolders or rectifiers downstream in a complex VCO structure. More versatile and modular that way, but also powerful on it's own. Joran's design philosophy is very Serge-like IMO :tu:

I just meant that the thru zero modulation options are available simultaneously, not that using all 3 at once is particularly interesting. You have every option at your disposal.
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Post by ben_hex » Mon Dec 30, 2019 5:39 pm

Video demo has just gone live



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"Here’s the new Generate 3 mega analogue oscillator from Joranalogue. As with other Joranalogue designs this of course pushes way past the basics and seeks (and achieves) to take analogue synthesis that bit further. Generate 3 is billed as a “through zero multiphonic signal generator” and offers through zero control of FM, PM and AM aka frequency modulation, phase modulation and amplitude modulation. You also get through zero control of the timbre as the full output mixes down the fundamental sine, even and odd harmonics. FM can be exponential, linear and through zero. The phase modulation gives a powerful way to create FM synthesis like sounds without actually changing the pitch. Through zero AM is Ring Modulation as the bipolar level controls can swing the waveform negative/inverted under voltage control. There’s two form of sync with reset and flip offering hard and soft sync as well as multiple outputs and a huge range of potential sounds and shaping in just 12HP. With all the through zero control you can be very dynamic and expressive with your modulation and as with most patches mixing modulation forms to sync modulation sources and then modulate multiple parameters leads to the widest range of options.

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Filter 8 -
Contour 1 -
Select 2 -
Compare 2 -
Transmit 2 & Receive 2 -
Mix 3 -

TIMING INDEX // SECTIONS

00:00 Intro & video previews

MODULE WALKTHROUGH

02:12 Feature & function run down

03:15 FM controls (exponential, linear, through zero, bias + AC switching)

04:30 Phase modulation

05:24 Amplitude control, bipolar level shifts + Ring Modulation

06:10 Reset + Flip (hard and soft sync)

WAVEFORMS

06:53 Waveform outputs plus recreating classic waveforms and making new ones

PHASE MODULATION (THROUGH ZERO)

08:57 Phase modulation demo (static + dynamic patching)

12:25 Self patched feedback based phase modulation (ace!)

14:31 Phase modulation synthesis in context of musical patch

MULTIPHONIC PATCHING

14:42 Stereo patching using different outputs with different sequences + modulations

FAKE / PSUEDO FILTERING

18:01 Fake filtering explained (fading harmonics)

19:12 Percussive enveloped harmonic control

19:35 Slowly fading waveshapes

RING MODULATION / BIPOLAR AMPLITUDE CONTROL

20:06 Ring Modulation patching (through zero level control)

23:48 Heavily expanded Ring Modulation (independent ring mod on each waveform)

SYNC

27:00 Understand and patching analogue sync (hard and soft with reset and flip)

29:53 Reset + Flip together (ALL THE SYNCS!)

FM SYNTHESIS // FREQUENCY MODULATION

31:45 Through Zero FM

34:14 Linear FM in practice

35:53 Further FM explorations

WEIRD STUFF

37:42 VCO Drum Kit (follow up video to come)

TUNE-ABLE NOISE GENERATOR

38:09 Feedback patching to create white noise

40:23 Glitchy noise textures under wonky beats

TRYING TO DO THINGS GENERATE 3 DOESN’T DO

40:38 Trying to create a super saw, PWM or unison vibe … sort of

LOW FREQUENCY LFO MODE

42:20 Demonstrating all of the control and shaping with the LFOs

46:17 Phase shifting LFOs

47:44 Sequencing beats WITH AN OSCILLATOR!

MIXED MODULATION (where some of the magic happens)

49:12 Ring Modulation & Sync

49:38 Through zero Phase, FM, AM and Sync

50:59 FEEDBACK with core to AM the fundamental + through zero FM

52:06 Filthier tones and aggressive sound design

53:12 Modulate EVERYTHING and it’s still musical!"
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Post by matttech » Mon Dec 30, 2019 6:19 pm

Oh crikey....and JUST as I was going to go to sleep! :zombie:

Been looking forward to this one

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Post by suthnear » Sat Jan 04, 2020 4:35 pm

This thing is AMAZING. I have (and have had) a lot of oscillators - digital and analogue - and this might prove to be my favourite one of all...

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Post by MvK » Wed Jan 08, 2020 6:50 am

I'm on an oscillator frenzy right now and got the g3. I'm in love! I got the zpo two weeks ago and It's great, a very different beast. But the G3 is even more to my liking. I didn't follow the discussion about tzfm yes or no about the zpo, anyway with the g3 I can dial in very clean sine modulations. I was very enthusiastic about the zpo because it has its own great parts like morphing and the wonderful PWM. Joranalogue has some special take which I would call sonic accssesibility. 5 attenuverters make this a very playable osc, because you can easily dial in and out modulations as long term dramatic changes. And with the core not being affected by the phase modulation you basically have the omega-phi's speciality, that you can use the simple core output to do whatever you like, resetting the modulator or using one half of the compare2 for pwm or as a modulator for RM. The fact that the core stays the same while the other outputs are phase modulated avoids parameter feedback or cross modulation or whatever it is called. This is my 5th joranalogue module. They all have some kind of "modern analog processing" touch in my view which gives you a lot of tools that work very reliable. Sadly after getting the f8 which is the last joranalogue module on my list my case will be full and I hope joranalogue stops making modules at this point
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Post by Funky40 » Thu Jan 09, 2020 6:16 pm

(ok, the corrected demo was uploaded)


Got the JG3 in 2Days ago and stumbled over something funny. Nice surprise
i could "mimic" or even "replicate" the sound of a incoming percussive synth line,
by patching it into the phase CV input. Frequenzy of the JG3 set to low, full CCW.
( works also with vocals and i guess anything else too )

No clue if what the JG3 is spitting out has to be seen as a kind of a nifty bleed thru, or if its kind of a nifty "replication" of the sound going into the phase-mod ?????
edit: but on this patch would the JG3 do NOT send any sound out of its own. It IS "accelerated" by the phase mod input !


the demo is 50secs. arranged in 4 parts a 10sec. Each is 2x the same 2 Bars / new: segment 3= 4x 2Brs)
1. Original signal only .which is the FMVDO ( NO JG3 in the play)
2. JG3 fundamental out only ( NO FMVDO direct sound signal in the audio play, only the JG3 audio out)

3. same, now only the odd out, which can be turned into a distortion unit ( odd out full wet, NO fundamental out apllied on the crossfader)
4. again the original signal

edit: version2, segment3 of the demo is now correct, and double the lenght ( sec. 20-40 )


hmm, the soundcloud is eating up some of the differences, it sounds all same !
at least are the outs you hear NOT the same ;)
i tryed to describe it on the souncloud page, for anybody more interested.
....well, works better with headphones.


edit: the point is here:
i can manipulate the original signal, going thru the phase IN into the JG3, within the JG3. Thats here the point !
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Post by Dragonaut » Fri Jan 10, 2020 9:00 am

That sounds pretty cool, Funky40. I’m going to give that a shot. This thing is a wily beast. I think I have to stop trying to tame it and just let it express itself.
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Post by thisoldhouse » Sun Feb 09, 2020 12:40 pm

Looks super awesome! On descriptions I read it says sync input resets waveform to zero. Does this mean the setting of phase parameter has no effect on what phase the waveform resets to when receiving a trigger at sync input? Im hoping it can actually restart from positions other than zero.... any information would be greatly appreciated

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Post by bemushroomed » Sun Feb 09, 2020 1:28 pm

Jaypee wrote:
Tue Jan 28, 2020 4:26 am

:eek:
didn't sound that "fun", imo. For this kind of practice i found BIA to be really great, can't remember which input i used (years ago) but it worked exceptionally well. Because of it's richness in sound it could easily replicate most of the sounds in the breakbeats that i fed it.
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Post by joranalogue » Sun Feb 09, 2020 4:35 pm

thisoldhouse wrote:
Sun Feb 09, 2020 12:40 pm
Looks super awesome! On descriptions I read it says sync input resets waveform to zero. Does this mean the setting of phase parameter has no effect on what phase the waveform resets to when receiving a trigger at sync input? Im hoping it can actually restart from positions other than zero.... any information would be greatly appreciated
It resets the waveform to zero on the core output, but the reset point on the other outputs will indeed vary depending on the phase parameter, giving you a way to modulate the sync so to speak.
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Post by thisoldhouse » Sun Feb 09, 2020 6:59 pm

Wow! So cool. Thanks for the response and this great design!

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Post by scragz » Sun Feb 09, 2020 6:59 pm

joranalogue wrote:
Wed May 08, 2019 6:57 am
A VCO for a new generation
I'm hyped but it appears to be sold out almost everywhere... Any word on new stock going out?

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Post by lisa » Mon Feb 10, 2020 12:25 am

scragz wrote:
Sun Feb 09, 2020 6:59 pm
joranalogue wrote:
Wed May 08, 2019 6:57 am
A VCO for a new generation
I'm hyped but it appears to be sold out almost everywhere... Any word on new stock going out?
https://www.moogaudio.com/en/all/modula ... generate-3 🙂
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