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Re: Instruo Lúbadh stereo looper

Post by RHB » Tue Jun 09, 2020 12:27 pm

Firmware 1.2.e is released:

https://www.instruomodular.com/support/

- Minor bug fixes
- Improved timing

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Re: Instruo Lúbadh stereo looper

Post by scragz » Tue Jun 09, 2020 2:06 pm

RHB wrote:
Tue Jun 09, 2020 12:27 pm
- Improved timing
Awesome, thanks for working on that!

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Re: Instruo Lúbadh stereo looper

Post by RHB » Tue Jun 09, 2020 2:52 pm

I can't take any credit--I'm just The Messenger (tm) in that I found it on the Instruo site :cloud:

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Re: Instruo Lúbadh stereo looper

Post by scragz » Tue Jun 09, 2020 3:13 pm

RHB wrote:
Tue Jun 09, 2020 2:52 pm
I can't take any credit--I'm just The Messenger (tm) in that I found it on the Instruo site :cloud:
Oh I thought you were the dev that was posting in the other thread. I'm still holding you accountable for any bugs.

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Re: Instruo Lúbadh stereo looper

Post by RHB » Tue Jun 09, 2020 5:47 pm

scragz wrote:
Tue Jun 09, 2020 3:13 pm
RHB wrote:
Tue Jun 09, 2020 2:52 pm
I can't take any credit--I'm just The Messenger (tm) in that I found it on the Instruo site :cloud:
Oh I thought you were the dev that was posting in the other thread. I'm still holding you accountable for any bugs.
That...seems fair... :forumcats: :lol:

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Re: Instruo Lúbadh stereo looper

Post by rd45 » Wed Jun 10, 2020 8:01 am

i keep thinking i'm going to make something open & quiet & delicate when i sit down, but then it comes out intense & furious & turned up to 11 - maybe i'm just not very subtle

out-of-phase warbling comes from modulating delay time via the expander - i can't do stereo yet unfortunately, i think it would help here


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Re: Instruo Lúbadh stereo looper

Post by obakegaku » Wed Jun 10, 2020 2:51 pm

Nice tune! :tu:

Not sure what your patch looks like but If you want less distortion remember to turn the input pots down when you are not recording into the reel, otherwise the reels output will continue to feed into itself and eachother.

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Re: Instruo Lúbadh stereo looper

Post by aphex2000 » Thu Jun 11, 2020 7:41 am

Just received my Lubadh today, first impressions: amazing!
It does exactly what i expected it to do, sounds great and is hands on. As always the button combos need some time to get memorized but it seems easier to remember then other secret handshakes (looking at you CS-L)

My 2 ideas for the firmware wishlist so far:

1) Traditional tape mode that moves the record head in the playhead speed as request previously in the thread (but please as a front-panel toggle)
2) Clock-sync for the delay mode. Maybe clock into "Time" and division into "Length" cv input?

And for future modules: I kinda understand the reasoning behind putting the USB stick on the back but please consider using a (sd?) slot on the front for future modules, similar to Disting / Nebulae.

Arbhar & Ochd due tomorrow and my sexy Instruo row will be complete!
Sad to see Nebulae2 leave but Lubadh/Arbhar seem to be a great iteration on the idea. And my Monsoon will stay in Oliverb mode for now...

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Re: Instruo Lúbadh stereo looper

Post by Johnnyfive » Thu Jun 18, 2020 11:33 am

anyone had any issues saving reels to the usb drive?

i tried the other day, followed the manual and did the button combo for each reel, but neither showed up when i plugged the usb drive into my computer. not sure if i'm doing something wrong, or if there's a bug somewhere.

would be go to know if anyone has had success saving reels.

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Re: Instruo Lúbadh stereo looper

Post by studioutopia » Sun Jun 28, 2020 9:39 pm

Is anybody else having really abrasive glitching when you modulate the start or length on Lúbadh?
Other than that - I am finding this module to be the most fun I've had since I had my Eventide DSP4000 and H8000.

I recorded this track using Lúbadh as a dual tape echo.
One note - you can hear a subtle glitch from start modulation at 6:01, and more of it in the left-panned reel at 6:20 - 7:00. Crackly.
I didn't record my experiment with Batumi pushing start from 1:00 to 7:00 on the reel - which gives me a lot of glitches and bitcrushed nonsense.
I'm going to try and recreate it again.
If nobody else is having this experience, I'm going to ask Jason. It doesn't seem correct.


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Re: Instruo Lúbadh stereo looper

Post by studioutopia » Sun Jun 28, 2020 9:53 pm

studioutopia wrote:
Sun Jun 28, 2020 9:39 pm
Is anybody else having really abrasive glitching when you modulate the start or length on Lúbadh?
Other than that - I am finding this module to be the most fun I've had since I had my Eventide DSP4000 and H8000.

I recorded this track using Lúbadh as a dual tape echo.
One note - you can hear a subtle glitch from start modulation at 6:01, and more of it in the left-panned reel at 6:20 - 7:00. Crackly.
I didn't record my experiment with Batumi pushing start from 1:00 to 7:00 on the reel - which gives me a lot of glitches and bitcrushed nonsense.
I'm going to try and recreate it again.
If nobody else is having this experience, I'm going to ask Jason. It doesn't seem correct.

To elaborate - the glitching and garbled audio only happens if you are overdubbing and modulating start/length simultaneously.
The glitches seem to be from the fresh recorded material.

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Re: Instruo Lúbadh stereo looper

Post by studioutopia » Mon Jun 29, 2020 12:50 am

Johnnyfive wrote:
Thu Jun 18, 2020 11:33 am
anyone had any issues saving reels to the usb drive?

i tried the other day, followed the manual and did the button combo for each reel, but neither showed up when i plugged the usb drive into my computer. not sure if i'm doing something wrong, or if there's a bug somewhere.

would be go to know if anyone has had success saving reels.
I just tested this. I could save a reel. on the right deck. but not the left.
When I opened the USB drive on my mac, the file was called right_looped.wav
The left side - nothing. It will not save.
But... when I hold Shift-Erase on either deck for two seconds, the record light flashes three times and I get nothing.

I'm sending an email to Instruō.

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Re: Instruo Lúbadh stereo looper

Post by Johnnyfive » Mon Jun 29, 2020 6:37 pm

studioutopia wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 12:50 am
Johnnyfive wrote:
Thu Jun 18, 2020 11:33 am
anyone had any issues saving reels to the usb drive?

i tried the other day, followed the manual and did the button combo for each reel, but neither showed up when i plugged the usb drive into my computer. not sure if i'm doing something wrong, or if there's a bug somewhere.

would be go to know if anyone has had success saving reels.
I just tested this. I could save a reel. on the right deck. but not the left.
When I opened the USB drive on my mac, the file was called right_looped.wav
The left side - nothing. It will not save.
But... when I hold Shift-Erase on either deck for two seconds, the record light flashes three times and I get nothing.

I'm sending an email to Instruō.
Many thanks for testing this - reassuring to know it’s not just me! Sounds like something that might need a firmware fix, but will good to hear what they say.

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Re: Instruo Lúbadh stereo looper

Post by studioutopia » Wed Jul 01, 2020 12:30 pm

I'm working with Jason on the glitching thing, and save/load.
One thing I love... I am having such a good time with this...
This workflow feels like the whole concept of splicing physical tape loops - only less work.
Here is the patch:
I have a little sequence going - like 16 notes with variable lengths over 2 bars on my USTA with the Cš-L and I-ō47.
I have the Cš-L going to my mixer, and mult out/use an AUX send to send a copy to Lúbadh - which has monitoring off.
Using Pamela set to send a pulse on every 1x, or 1.5x, or 2x etc, I temporarily patch this into the Record CV on Lúbadh.
This "splices" a tape loop that is exactly a 1/4 note, 1/8th, 1/8t, or dotted1/8, etc. Then I remove Pamela and let the tape loop run free at 1x.
Then I leave the deck on record in Decay mode - so it just keeps overdubbing and decaying the input.
Then I am patching Length and Time to be controlled to Planar2 - so I can manually subdivide the tape loop and alter how fast the previous iterations decay... instant dubplate.
I love Magneto and Mimeophon - but using and hearing Lúbadh feels more handcrafted. plus the feedback from the reel LEDs just makes it a magical experience.

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Re: Instruo Lúbadh stereo looper

Post by glennfin » Wed Jul 01, 2020 1:08 pm

every time i see a new looping device for Euro i ask the same questions..

1) Can you reverse playback
2) Can you overdub while in reverse playback.
3) Can you alter the playback speed, and overdub on top of that
like "half speed" on some pedal loopers.

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Re: Instruo Lúbadh stereo looper

Post by pelang » Wed Jul 01, 2020 1:12 pm

glennfin wrote:
Wed Jul 01, 2020 1:08 pm
every time i see a new looping device for Euro i ask the same questions..

1) Can you reverse playback
2) Can you overdub while in reverse playback.
3) Can you alter the playback speed, and overdub on top of that
like "half speed" on some pedal loopers.
1) yes
2) no (you can but it will playback in reverse like the orig.)
3) no (you can but it will playback in halfspeed like the orig.)

(magneto can do all those things)

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Re: Instruo Lúbadh stereo looper

Post by studioutopia » Wed Jul 01, 2020 1:52 pm

pelang wrote:
Wed Jul 01, 2020 1:12 pm
glennfin wrote:
Wed Jul 01, 2020 1:08 pm
every time i see a new looping device for Euro i ask the same questions..

1) Can you reverse playback
2) Can you overdub while in reverse playback.
3) Can you alter the playback speed, and overdub on top of that
like "half speed" on some pedal loopers.
1) yes
2) no (you can but it will playback in reverse like the orig.)
3) no (you can but it will playback in halfspeed like the orig.)

(magneto can do all those things)
These answers are all correct - partially. I was worried that this might be a dealbreaker too - but then I didn't quite get the point of Lúbadh.
I took a chance and bought it - and I am loving the results.
Corrections:
1) yes.
2) yes. but you need to use both tape decks.
2) yes. But you need to use both tape decks.
There are TWO decks. record on one, then play in reverse or alter speed. Record this on the second deck. Then swap and repeat. Or - just keep going in that direction. You can record -> reverse -> dub -> loop infinitely using the two decks.
It's a process. A different approach - with both benefits and downsides.
It is more akin to making tape loops - like with a reel-to-reel deck or cassettes. And the possibilities of layering and stacking and crafting go way beyond a tape echo (ie. Mimeophon, Magneto, and various other devices or plugins). It is sort of a halfway point between echo and sampling.
The benefits of devices like Magneto, Roland tape echo, Echoplex etc - is that you get instant results.

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Re: Instruo Lúbadh stereo looper

Post by scragz » Wed Jul 01, 2020 2:27 pm

It would be nice to be able to do tape style overdubs without bouncing but it ends up not being that big of a deal in practice and it's worth it for the flexibility of having two decks.

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Re: Instruo Lúbadh stereo looper

Post by pelang » Thu Jul 02, 2020 6:07 am

sure, the two decks are great !
one big plus is that you have no time restrictions when you bounce stuff between. With one reel you are working only within the looplenght.

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Re: Instruo Lúbadh stereo looper

Post by pelang » Thu Jul 02, 2020 6:14 am

scragz wrote:
Wed Jul 01, 2020 2:27 pm
It would be nice to be able to do tape style overdubs without bouncing but it ends up not being that big of a deal in practice and it's worth it for the flexibility of having two decks.
+ yes: pre/post tape speed recoding option

There are a few other things I wish:
- quantize dividing/multiple mode (1/2,1/4, etc) for pitch knobs (for example press shift for 5 sec)
- slew adjustment for CV speed (down to no slew for quick pitch jumps) for example: hold both shifts and adjust with speed knob
- rec. pushbutton are quite loud when working with mic's or playing lowercase sets in chamber music settings (the audience will hear the clicks).

Does anyone knows the mouser part number for the pushbutton instruo use?

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Re: Instruo Lúbadh stereo looper

Post by thebrotherspus » Mon Jul 13, 2020 8:22 pm

pelang wrote:
Thu Jul 02, 2020 6:14 am
....slew adjustment for CV speed (down to no slew for quick pitch jumps)
I would also VERY much like this feature! I enjoy sending CV to the speed input and jumping between various octaves. It would be so nice to be able to do it without the pitch slew (or at least have the option to slew or not to).

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Re: Instruo Lúbadh stereo looper

Post by pelang » Tue Jul 14, 2020 4:01 am

+ without the slew for CV speed it would be possible to produce subtle wobble or tremolo effects by modulation from an external source. Or FM...

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Re: Instruo Lúbadh stereo looper

Post by Buttons ARE toys » Tue Jul 14, 2020 8:19 am

pelang wrote:
Tue Jul 14, 2020 4:01 am
+ without the slew for CV speed it would be possible to produce subtle wobble or tremolo effects by modulation from an external source. Or FM...
Is that not possible? I was under the impression from Jason's demo that you could produce wow & flutter effects using CV.
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Post by pelang » Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:02 am

Buttons ARE toys wrote:
Tue Jul 14, 2020 8:19 am
pelang wrote:
Tue Jul 14, 2020 4:01 am
+ without the slew for CV speed it would be possible to produce subtle wobble or tremolo effects by modulation from an external source. Or FM...
Is that not possible? I was under the impression from Jason's demo that you could produce wow & flutter effects using CV.
sure, slower modulation with triangle/sinus works.

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Re: Instruo Lúbadh stereo looper

Post by minatorymodular » Tue Jul 14, 2020 10:10 pm

Made my way through the manual, the thread, and watched the demo video twice (an enjoyable 4h).I'm looking for opinions on how well it does a few tape things. I'm comparing to both the Magneto (lots of cool functions but the Lubadh workflow is more interesting) and other samplers.

Tape bandlimiting/noise/hiss: I couldn't tell if the tape decay offered much in the way of this sound independent if the analog clipping circuit. Seemed more focused on dynamics primarily.

Wow and Flutter. This is my favorite tape sound to abuse, but I'm always frustrated not to have independent controls over rate and amount. With the Time CV in, I could use a slow lfo (wow) and a fast one (flutter) through a VCA to get really precise control over these and different LFO options. Or does the slew make flutter impossible? Would love an example if there's any.

Stereo recording. Obviously two decks means stereo. How does it sound to record in stereo and change them slightly for a stereo effect?

Stereo delay. Is it possible to get stereo delays while also using the feedback path, say with a mult? Video seemed to stick to mono delays. Also, can you put wow and flutter on delay taps and get good results?

Also, is there any possibility of

1. Independent pitch shifting from time stretching. I know it breaks the tape model but it's such a useful tool.

2. The aforementioned variable speed record mode, where you record 4x speed, say, and moving to 1x speed brings you to 1/4x speed.

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