Any Fake Chord Effect Module around???

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Any Fake Chord Effect Module around???

Post by mentalskragma » Thu Jul 11, 2019 3:27 pm

I loved the idea of Erthenvar Patch Chord in the past. But its discontinued and it was too big for a digital simple multi pitch shift harmonize effect.

Is there any other new better options for creating chords from a inserted audio input??


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Post by cliffemu » Thu Jul 11, 2019 7:21 pm

Clouds plus 2HP arp

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Post by goldi » Thu Jul 11, 2019 7:34 pm

Clouds plus any arp. Run it fast and there's your chord.

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Post by Yes Powder » Thu Jul 11, 2019 9:34 pm

Clouds plus arpeggio, 100% wet reverb plus arpeggio, precisely timed delay plus arpeggio, just a plain really fast arpeggio...

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Post by batch » Thu Jul 11, 2019 11:12 pm

Or Plaits in chord mode
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Post by lisa » Thu Jul 11, 2019 11:41 pm

batch wrote:Or Plaits in chord mode
The OP is looking for an effect that will turn the audio source you send it into a chord. Like a pitch shifter with three separate pitches.
My first modular track where I used drum modules! There's also a ton of FM cross modulation from the Instruō Cš-L in there and the Metasonix R56 is a big part of the sound. :star:



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Post by mentalskragma » Fri Jul 12, 2019 6:13 am

Yes, Plaits don't work for me... I need my own audio sources.

Thanks for the great idea of very fast arps too...

What do you think about Clock Dividers/Multipliers?? Sounds exactly the same as real chords??? What's the best modules to make this trick besides 4ms RCD??? The 4ms Quad Expander works for making chords too??

On my first setup I was thinking about Expert Sleepers Disting and I discovered that it has a clock generator mode. Would it make this multiple dividers to make chords???? Any better option with more clock options??
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Post by Shledge » Fri Jul 12, 2019 6:15 am

Clouds has some latency though, so not really ideal.

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Post by Yes Powder » Fri Jul 12, 2019 6:44 am

mentalskragma wrote:What do you think about Clock Dividers/Multipliers?? Sounds exactly the same as real chords???
Off the top of my head, I know you'll be able to get one octave down (/2), and octave and a fifth down (/3), two octaves down (/4), and three octaves down (/8). I'm not sure what intervals (/5), (/6), and (/7) correspond to, but I can tell you that they won't be in Equal Temperament.

EDIT: Just realized (/6) would be two octaves and a fifth down.
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Post by mdoudoroff » Fri Jul 12, 2019 8:10 am

Is the new Rossum PANHARMONIUM capable of something like what the OP wants? I see that some of the presets are chordal.

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Post by lisa » Fri Jul 12, 2019 9:21 am

I get my fake chords from the Boss VE-20. Not a module, though.

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My first modular track where I used drum modules! There's also a ton of FM cross modulation from the Instruō Cš-L in there and the Metasonix R56 is a big part of the sound. :star:



We also just did a live performance. Just eurorack, a mixer and two nitwits. :hyper: http://tiny.cc/8ndspz

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Post by sutekina bipu-on » Fri Jul 12, 2019 9:53 am

What about the upcoming Accord Melisma by SDS digital?

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Post by kwaidan » Fri Jul 12, 2019 11:41 am

sutekina bipu-on wrote:What about the upcoming Accord Melisma by SDS digital?

[video][/video]
No. It sends MIDI out or CV. The original OP wants something that can turn a single sound into a chord like the Erthenvar Patch Chord.

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Post by mentalskragma » Fri Jul 12, 2019 12:58 pm

Yeah... This new Melisma is MIDI. I need to process audio. With no latency like Clouds.

About the PANHARMONIUM is cool but it generates different tones resonation. Not the real transposed tone (thats what I understood right now).

About Clock divisions, I see that would generate low notes, but clock multipliers wouldn't make this chords on higher notes?? Nobody tried this??

I see Make Noise Tempi, 4ms RCD, Expert Sleepers Disting.... it seems like Tempi and 4ms makes clocking faster 2x 4x 6x 8x....wouldn't this make the Audio play higher and higher tones over the original input?????

I couldn't find good demos on Youtube or Soundcloud using this method to hear if it sounds good.... Am I wrong??? Does it sound bad??
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Post by Yes Powder » Fri Jul 12, 2019 1:17 pm

mentalskragma wrote:About Clock divisions, I see that would generate low notes, but clock multipliers wouldn't make this chords on higher notes?? Nobody tried this??
A clock multiplier (assuming it will work in the audio range) will give you the same series of intervals as a divider, but going up instead of down. Again though, they won't be in Equal Temperament.

Also worth noting that the tracking range of clock multipliers (even those that advertise functionality at audio rates) can be limited; you may experience skips in tracking behavior before even reaching the interval you want.

If you really want to try chords using multipliers and dividers, here are tables of the harmonic series and subharmonic series. Note the variances.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Undertone_ ... the_series
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harmonic_s ... and_tuning

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Post by notmiserlouagain » Fri Jul 12, 2019 3:08 pm

Whatabout something completely different like
tc electronics quintessence or brainwaves pedals?
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Post by flashheart » Fri Jul 12, 2019 3:50 pm

mentalskragma wrote:Yeah... This new Melisma is MIDI. I need to process audio. With no latency like Clouds.

About the PANHARMONIUM is cool but it generates different tones resonation. Not the real transposed tone (thats what I understood right now).

About Clock divisions, I see that would generate low notes, but clock multipliers wouldn't make this chords on higher notes??
If you want to keep the original sound, clock dividers/multipliers won't works as they generate square/pulses only.

I don't know of any method that will transpose audio into chords without some latency.
I'm not buying a maths though, not my idea of fun...

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Post by Fallen_lassen » Fri Jul 12, 2019 4:22 pm

Boss hr -2 or ps 3 , 5 or 6
turn my minimoog voyager oldschool in a poly synth.

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Post by dude » Fri Jul 12, 2019 4:34 pm

you could probably use maths :burns:


or maybe that qubit chord v 2?

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Post by mentalskragma » Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:10 pm

Fallen_lassen wrote:Boss hr -2 or ps 3 , 5 or 6
turn my minimoog voyager oldschool in a poly synth.
Great options!! I just check "TC Helicon - Play Acoustics" and it seems real powerfull and zero latency harmonization plus many other effects. Have anyone tried these new processors??

About the clock multipliers, are you sure that the modules don't get the exact same wave curve input and make it faster output with the same curves??
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Post by Yes Powder » Tue Jul 16, 2019 2:54 pm

mentalskragma wrote:About the clock multipliers, are you sure that the modules don't get the exact same wave curve input and make it faster output with the same curves??
Unless you're using square waves, I'm positive.

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Post by mskala » Tue Jul 16, 2019 10:55 pm

flashheart wrote:I don't know of any method that will transpose audio into chords without some latency.
Indeed, it's not possible - especially not within the original poster's constraint of preserving the sound (timbre, spectrum) of the input. You need to listen to a spectrum over a finite amount of time to collect enough information to even start reproducing any kind of frequency-altered version of it, and that's true regardless of whether you're trying to do it with digital or analog techniques. The same principle has important consequences in quantum physics.

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Post by Just another rookie » Wed Jul 17, 2019 1:08 pm

Instruo harmonaig

Is that of any use?

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Post by JohnLRice » Wed Jul 17, 2019 1:27 pm

mentalskragma, would a pedal instead of a module work for you? Check out the Meris Hedra and if you get the MIDI interface box you can even control the pitch intervals from a keyboard and play changing chords etc.
https://www.meris.us/product/hedra-pedal/
I thought this was pretty cool, a single pitch from a mic'd wine glass harmonized:
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Post by mentalskragma » Thu Jul 18, 2019 9:18 am

Just another rookie wrote:Instruo harmonaig

Is that of any use?
I want to get this one, but it's CV Pitch multiple control for different VCOs. Not really pitch shifting 1 single VCO.

The only thing that I found until now are these pedal harmonize effects.... No Eurorack found yet :(
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