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"Esoteric" drum machine

Post by jadrowsky88 » Tue Oct 22, 2019 4:00 pm

This is my project for an "esoteric" drum machine

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Sound sources are BIA, Karp Meng Qi, Akemie's Taiko so far, eventually adding Plonk or Erica Synth Drum Module.

What do you think?

I'd like some suggestion regarding logic modules or ways to make it more generative. What would you change/add? thanks

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Post by brandonlogic » Tue Oct 22, 2019 4:08 pm

if 'esoteric' is what your going for maybe instead of plonk or a dedicated drum module, maybe try a module that isnt a drum module that could make drum sounds for more interesting, unique sound. mulit peak filters like klangbau twin peak and ssf stereo dipole are great for this and make awesome drum voices. noise modules used with filters and LPG's is great too. maybe two simple analog vcos and lpg too for fm drum sounds.

for logic, check out Plog and A-166 or Artificial Neural Network
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Re: "Esoteric" drum machine

Post by jadrowsky88 » Tue Oct 22, 2019 4:15 pm

Yes, I forgot to mention that I have another case with Cs-l, Telharmonic, Mangrove as voices, which I also use as drum sounds through lpgs, but this rack I would like to focus more on modules to develop it as a drum machine, using modules specifically for rhythms, glitches and drum sounds.

Twin peak filter is a really good adivce





brandonlogic wrote:if 'esoteric' is what your going for maybe instead of plonk or a dedicated drum module, maybe try a module that isnt a drum module that could make drum sounds for more interesting, unique sound. mulit peak filters like klanbau twin peak and ssf stereo dipole are great for this and make awesome drum voices. noise modules used with filters and LPG's is great too. maybe two simple analog vcos and lpg too for fm drum sounds.
for logic, check out Plog and A-166 or Artificial Neural Network

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Post by Pav » Tue Oct 22, 2019 5:02 pm

I was on a similar mission recently ..I now use MI Rings and Plaits for world percussion sounds. I had mainly used two MI Peaks with MI Grids for base ,snare,hi hat duties, knowing they can be Lfos and EGs when needed too. I did add a Taiko hoping to generate an open/close hi hat without using samples.

All the best with your project.
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Post by Pav » Tue Oct 22, 2019 5:07 pm

Oh forgot to mention I'm trying out a 2HP Burst utility module for more pattern variety . Other burst modules are also available of course.
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Post by thebends9 » Tue Oct 22, 2019 7:23 pm

Id drop Akemie and add Matter II.

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Post by R.U.Nuts » Wed Oct 23, 2019 12:17 am

thebends9 wrote:Id drop Akemie and add Matter II.
Yes, Matter ii is the first thing that comes to my mind when I'm reading "esoteric drum machine". It makes all kinds of sounds from nice Bongo like sounds to totally wild animal like howls to industrial noises and it's also good at processing external sources. I use it a lot piping individual outputs of my Drumbrute through it.

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Post by Jaypee » Wed Oct 23, 2019 12:48 am

It doesn't look esoteric for me. But rather classic drum modular machine, specially if you add a Plonk.

You want esoteric? Add a filter, ping it, go for more obscur/weird modules and a real esoteric approach, not ready-to-go modules.

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Post by bemushroomed » Wed Oct 23, 2019 1:15 am

Logica XT is cool

Plonk is.. decent. Can do drones and basically anything. It's not a classic drum machine. Can sound a bit thin sometimes. I went for Prok drums instead, more happy with how they sound. Hope they update it soon though, its not perfect.

Drips is pretty nice. There's a v2 now i think.

Jomox M.Brane 11. Really good sound.

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Post by sir stony » Wed Oct 23, 2019 1:38 am

bemushroomed wrote:Plonk is.. decent. Can do drones and basically anything. It's not a classic drum machine.
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There isn't terribly much space left in that rack, I'd look at something complementary to the desired concept. Some intuitive interaction, like a synthwerks fsr 2, or maybe MI ears, and a compressor with some extras, God's box Lollipop or the WMD compressor.
That Matter II looks really interesting, definitely, but I also feel some people here a messing up the terms esoteric and experimental...

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Post by Fog Door » Wed Oct 23, 2019 5:11 am

It doesn't look esoteric for me. But rather classic drum modular machine
I took O/P to mean "esoteric" in comparison to a traditional drum machine rather than esoteric by modular standards :hmm:

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Post by bibleblack » Wed Oct 23, 2019 7:45 am

I would recommend the Future sound systems FIL1 less as a drum module more a weird envelpe or modulator (although it does make a nice sub bass kick which you can then use the + out to trigger/envelope other noisier modules).

Also second the addition of some crazy filters and more noise sources

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Post by brandonlogic » Wed Oct 23, 2019 8:16 am

What about folktek matter II to go next to that other folktek you got there?
Matter is an excellent source for unusual drum sounds.

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Post by smithjohn » Wed Oct 23, 2019 8:25 am

+1 on the Twin Peak. I have been able to get everything from kicks and snares to tambourine-like sounds with that and a noise source, envelope+VCA :sb:

Logic modules, clock dividers and seq switches is a cool way to make rhythms, Ladik and RYO for exemple have affordable 4hp logic modules. The RYO modules can be abused as audio manglers too, I like my XOR/XNOR for this also.

Doepfer A-151 switch, A-160-2 clock divider and the mighty A-152 would be my recommendations too :tu:

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Post by jadrowsky88 » Thu Oct 24, 2019 3:16 pm

brandonlogic wrote:What about folktek matter II to go next to that other folktek you got there?
Matter is an excellent source for unusual drum sounds.

Yes it's under my radar but I'm not sure how much control there's on the sound, the demo have nice sounds but I'm not sure if it's easy to tame it

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Post by HZR » Fri Oct 25, 2019 6:06 am

jadrowsky88 wrote:
brandonlogic wrote:What about folktek matter II to go next to that other folktek you got there?
Matter is an excellent source for unusual drum sounds.

Yes it's under my radar but I'm not sure how much control there's on the sound, the demo have nice sounds but I'm not sure if it's easy to tame it
Matter (1&2) are the first thing what comes to my mind when i read Esoteric drum machine.

I got MatterII a couple months ago and i sometimes end up patching almost nothing and just using it standalone. You can get so much out of this module like blips, cuts, drones and stuff.
The other day i got a nice pwm with rate control.

You can still write down some sounds you archive with it when you want to recall them. So its kind of predictable sometimes.

Maybe look at instagram, there are much more sound demos of it than on youtube.

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Post by JM Midnight » Fri Oct 25, 2019 11:40 am

If you want esoteric, have you ever thought about electro-acoustic sounds? The Koma Field Kit might be a good addition.

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Post by jadrowsky88 » Fri Oct 25, 2019 1:46 pm

JM Midnight wrote:If you want esoteric, have you ever thought about electro-acoustic sounds? The Koma Field Kit might be a good addition.
I had it but I didn't enjoy it so much, I mean it's good for sound design and experimentation but I think that similar results can be achieved with samples or other modules, I see it more useful for installation art rather than eurorack music creation, I want something esoteric as sound but with a "traditional" eurorack interface as module

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Post by R.U.Nuts » Sat Oct 26, 2019 6:26 am

HZR wrote:
You can still write down some sounds you archive with it when you want to recall them. So its kind of predictable sometimes.

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I take cellphone pics of patches I like. Of course that only works if you keep the same things plugged into the trigger and modulation inputs. It's highly sensitive to the width and amplitude of triggers and you can patch other signals than triggers into the trigger inputs to make it sound (like the outputs of other drum modules).
On the opposite "edgy" modulation signals like sequencers or s&h on the modulation inputs can trigger Matter. And then there's the drone mayhem you can unleash if you plug more than one banana into one patch matrix.

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Post by MindMachine » Sat Oct 26, 2019 6:34 am

If you go more traditional generation style (or not) than I would suggest a 2HP Freeze. Fast cv inputs and audio out into a fast enveloped VCA seem odd. I use the Tiptop VCA.
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Post by jadrowsky88 » Mon Oct 28, 2019 2:05 pm

MindMachine wrote:If you go more traditional generation style (or not) than I would suggest a 2HP Freeze. Fast cv inputs and audio out into a fast enveloped VCA seem odd. I use the Tiptop VCA.
I had it but I got tired of it after a while, it sounded all the same to me and didn't like so much the sound outcome of it

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Re: "Esoteric" drum machine

Post by carlfunkenn » Sat Nov 02, 2019 3:39 am

[quote="jadrowsky88"]This is my project for an "esoteric" drum machine

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Very nice project! :tu:

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