What's in your 4U Palette?

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Re: What's in your 4U Palette?

Post by ATW » Thu Sep 10, 2020 2:02 pm

Garnoth wrote:
Thu Sep 10, 2020 1:38 pm
I am wondering though if it's not just better to switch S-141 for a vox digitalis. Or remove the S-141/rnd step combo and make room for a mimetic digitalis to take care of pitch sequencing. Any thoughts on this case? I am quite new at this.
I see the 185-2 is 50mm which is likely not going to fit into the Palette. My Disting Mk4 *just* fits, when factoring in the add'l width of the ribbon cable and the neighboring modules/cables etc

The Lapsus Os has plenty of utility that would assist w/ pitch. Shades might be a an alternative to consider to free up some HP, or Frap tools 321. You could use the palette's mults to achieve some of the macro cv control of the Lapsus. Mimetic Digitalis and Shades are good companions, you can dial in the wide voltage range that MD spits out by default. Digitakt octaves can be set on the Digi, per note and pattern, so you can choose whatever octave your sound source can handle, as a workaround to getting octave shifts on that CV from within the case.

Side note: Check out Klavis Caltrans, it may have some of the transposition stuff you're interested in, in a compact HP.

uMidi has been reengineered in a smaller HP, not released yet, but it could save you a bit more space to then add a utility or sloth to the 1u row (you might consider another modulation source to feed the FX aid.

Also you might consider a small utility mixer (Shades can do this, too) in case you're interested in using both the VCO and VCF (in self oscillation) as sound sources. Have fun!

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Re: What's in your 4U Palette?

Post by Garnoth » Wed Sep 16, 2020 2:12 am

ATW wrote:
Thu Sep 10, 2020 2:02 pm
Garnoth wrote:
Thu Sep 10, 2020 1:38 pm
I am wondering though if it's not just better to switch S-141 for a vox digitalis. Or remove the S-141/rnd step combo and make room for a mimetic digitalis to take care of pitch sequencing. Any thoughts on this case? I am quite new at this.
I see the 185-2 is 50mm which is likely not going to fit into the Palette. My Disting Mk4 *just* fits, when factoring in the add'l width of the ribbon cable and the neighboring modules/cables etc

The Lapsus Os has plenty of utility that would assist w/ pitch. Shades might be a an alternative to consider to free up some HP, or Frap tools 321. You could use the palette's mults to achieve some of the macro cv control of the Lapsus. Mimetic Digitalis and Shades are good companions, you can dial in the wide voltage range that MD spits out by default. Digitakt octaves can be set on the Digi, per note and pattern, so you can choose whatever octave your sound source can handle, as a workaround to getting octave shifts on that CV from within the case.

Side note: Check out Klavis Caltrans, it may have some of the transposition stuff you're interested in, in a compact HP.

uMidi has been reengineered in a smaller HP, not released yet, but it could save you a bit more space to then add a utility or sloth to the 1u row (you might consider another modulation source to feed the FX aid.

Also you might consider a small utility mixer (Shades can do this, too) in case you're interested in using both the VCO and VCF (in self oscillation) as sound sources. Have fun!
Thanks so much for the feedback, didn't realize the A-185 was that deep. I reworked the design so I have pam's and ochd as the main modulation sources and stick to mimetic for pitch. If I want nice quantized melodies I'll use my digitakt to sequence it. Shades indeed gives me some additional room :)

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Re: What's in your 4U Palette?

Post by chrstphrong » Tue Oct 20, 2020 8:03 am

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Hi I’m new to modular and am feeling ready to get started. After watching dozens of Youtube video tutorials and playing around with modular sim on my Mac, I’m quite sure about going into this. It’s just that there are so many module choices out there and many have overlapping functions. So I think until I’ve put this setup together I won’t know for sure if it will work. Was wondering if you guys would care to comment on this setup. I know it’s a lot of Noise Engineering stuff in there but based on each review I’ve seen of each module they seem to fit close to what I want - an dark industrial techno setup for live performance. As far as I can tell, based on user comments and reviews, it seems to me all the modules shown here should fit into the palette, possibly even with additional ribbon cables in it. What do you think?

How I would use this setup:

Horologic Solum + Uter runs the main clock to the MD and Vox.
MD basically runs BIA, Vox and the Manis.
BIA outputs to MMF and Xerest.
Manis outputs to Kith, and then goes into FX Aid (for verb and delays), then in Xerest.
Strymon AA.1 for outboard pedal effects for anything else.

BIA duties include BD, SD, Hats.
Manic does bass mainly.

If the MD is not enough then the Steppy will take over the BIA instead and the MD will run the Manis. And if that's still not enough, I will use my Digitakt, run it into the uMIDI 1u and additional control. Of course, I still have the mults on the Palette case but I think I got sequencing pretty covered!

This is all guess work. I still feel I'm missing something like a sampler or noise generator or drone or something. If only there was a smaller MD so I can get more HPs out of the Palette. I may switch the Xerest for something else because it's out of production mostly. So I would replace it with another mute-atten module but I can't find many around this size, to be honest. (Suggestions?) Should I get rid of it and the Uter and put in a Muta Jovis and a small quad mixer instead? May not have enough HPs for that.

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Re: What's in your 4U Palette?

Post by Raindeer » Tue Oct 20, 2020 9:27 am

chrstphrong wrote:
Tue Oct 20, 2020 8:03 am
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Hi I’m new to modular and am feeling ready to get started. After watching dozens of Youtube video tutorials and playing around with modular sim on my Mac, I’m quite sure about going into this. It’s just that there are so many module choices out there and many have overlapping functions. So I think until I’ve put this setup together I won’t know for sure if it will work. Was wondering if you guys would care to comment on this setup. I know it’s a lot of Noise Engineering stuff in there but based on each review I’ve seen of each module they seem to fit close to what I want - an dark industrial techno setup for live performance. As far as I can tell, based on user comments and reviews, it seems to me all the modules shown here should fit into the palette, possibly even with additional ribbon cables in it. What do you think?

How I would use this setup:

Horologic Solum + Uter runs the main clock to the MD and Vox.
MD basically runs BIA, Vox and the Manis.
BIA outputs to MMF and Xerest.
Manis outputs to Kith, and then goes into FX Aid (for verb and delays), then in Xerest.
Strymon AA.1 for outboard pedal effects for anything else.

BIA duties include BD, SD, Hats.
Manic does bass mainly.

If the MD is not enough then the Steppy will take over the BIA instead and the MD will run the Manis. And if that's still not enough, I will use my Digitakt, run it into the uMIDI 1u and additional control. Of course, I still have the mults on the Palette case but I think I got sequencing pretty covered!

This is all guess work. I still feel I'm missing something like a sampler or noise generator or drone or something. If only there was a smaller MD so I can get more HPs out of the Palette. I may switch the Xerest for something else because it's out of production mostly. So I would replace it with another mute-atten module but I can't find many around this size, to be honest. (Suggestions?) Should I get rid of it and the Uter and put in a Muta Jovis and a small quad mixer instead? May not have enough HPs for that.

Oh yes, black is nice.
Hmm.. interesting palette. The Noise Engineering stuff is great and you will definitely get the 'dark industrial' sound you're after! A few thoughts..
  • Does it all have to be NE? BIA and Manis together is just a bit close in approach considering the dozens of other possibilities
  • Disregarding the midi (your fallback), you're quite sequencer heavy. I can see about 16 trigger outputs and 5 pitch\cv outs (counting clock divisions). Do you have some way to combine them to make interesting rhythms?
  • Since your modules now are already quite aggressive, you might find additional distortion is not needed with Kith Ruina (although equalization could be good)
Overall just wondering if, for a small setup you might prefer more diverse voices and perhaps one gate sequencer + one pitch sequencer with two channels (or combo) rather than the menagerie of options :-)

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Re: What's in your 4U Palette?

Post by ATW » Tue Oct 20, 2020 10:57 am

chrstphrong wrote:
Tue Oct 20, 2020 8:03 am
What do you think?
Thanks for sharing—looks like there is a fairly logical signal flow represented, though it looks a bit hamstrung and cramped. Perhaps consider getting a bigger case. Already seeing some concerns over HP size. The types of things mentioned above are not easily shoehorned into a Palette, at least, not in a way that looks like it'd be fun to jam on, from my POV.

Raindeer's points make sense, esp the 2nd one. More modulation needed, fewer triggers/gates.

I'll add:
* FX Aid has stereo inputs + outputs—Hyrlo or another compact mixer w/ stereo (see Happy Nerding) would take advantage of that. You could simply use FX aid as the end of chain and have it convert mono submixes to stereo.
* Consider losing MD or Vox Digitalis. I'd personally keep MD because with 4 outputs there is pitch and modulation and an additional trigger output.
* Replace the Horologics with Pamela's New Workout. more functionality for a small case. BIA and Manis beg for modulation and Pam's will serve up much wider and more diverse range of modulation.
* Swap Xerest out and replace with a VCA mixer that can deal with audio and VC and be voltage controlled like Mix 3
* Steppy has 4 channels of gates—BIA has one trigger input, right? What are the other 3 channels of Steppy going to trigger? You could definitely trigger MD interesting ways w/ Steppy.
* ^ That's a further argument for something like Pam's instead of the Horologics because you'll have LFOs, stepped random, envelopes (which I am not seeing represented currently), etc.

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