New FX modules from Tiptop Audio - ZVERB ECHOZ Z5000

Cwejman, Livewire, TipTop Audio, Doepfer etc... Get your euro on!

Moderators: Kent, Joe., luketeaford, lisa

Post Reply
User avatar
tta
Wiggling with Experience
Posts: 424
Joined: Mon Jun 22, 2009 11:35 pm

New FX modules from Tiptop Audio - ZVERB ECHOZ Z5000

Post by tta » Wed Nov 20, 2019 11:43 am

[video][/video]

Hello to all the Muffsters out there at the Muff habitat.

I’m happy to let you know that we are releasing ECHOZ ZVERB and the Z5000, our compact 8HP effect modules. This is also the first time we will offer modules with black panels yooo wow. When we started working on these modules ECHOZ was the main thing but so many new things evolved from that: new algorithms, new techniques to route signals through multiple effects in one program, and a new analog clock circuity to drive the DSP chip and more. One thing leads to the other, that’s a good and healthy R&D process.

With the Z5000 we went all in for a multi effect that covers a large variety of effects, there is everything in there, from basic to lush to odd to experimental. More than 12 years ago the original Z5000 was Tiptop’s first module, now all these years after we are using the same model number but with qualities far beyond anything we could imagine so many years ago.

In ZVERB we created a dedicated Reverb module that covers effects by the decade (70s/80s/90s) it was popular or invented, but takes it even beyond that point with extra effects such as delays, pitch shifting, chorusing, formant filters set in different points of either the feedback path the input or the output . The sound quality of the various reverbs is impressive, and it is so easy to find a sweet spot.

ECHOZ turned out to be far more interesting than we originally planned. The original idea was to make a great sounding delay effects module, we’ve been designing delays for years, but once again going off road on some of the algorithms had lead us into new territories, some borrowed from the Z-DSP, and some totally new. We wanted to include a sync input but that just didn’t work out well and disrupts the natural flow of the delays in the buffers. We didn’t want to compromise the benefit of using the analog clock in favor of sync so we decide it will be left out. Scaling the parameter knobs made it very easy to sync the delays manually and keep that high sound quality

Under the hood is the Spin FV1, which is a fantastic chip if you know how to use its benefits and work around the quirks. It has just the right amount of power needed for time domain effects and excels at doing that even over much powerful general purpose MCU+DSP chips, so we decide to stick to it in this series.

I expect some might ask about similarities with the Z-DSP. Although both use the same DSP chip the Z-DSP is designed as open source and extendable platform and is equipped with extra features and a display, while the 8HP modules are designed mostly as compact in size end-of-the-chain effects and interface between the modular and line level gear.

I hope you enjoy them.

$200 each, shipping to dealers now! Check online for pre-orders. Audio demos and more info here:

http://tiptopaudio.com/zverb-echoz-z5000/

Image
Gur
Tiptop Audio

DMR
Wiggling with Experience
Posts: 444
Joined: Sat Jan 04, 2014 1:05 pm

Post by DMR » Wed Nov 20, 2019 12:10 pm

No more silver aluminum panels?

User avatar
deftinwulf
Wiggling with Experience
Posts: 466
Joined: Sun Nov 03, 2013 10:34 am

Post by deftinwulf » Wed Nov 20, 2019 12:14 pm

Congrats! These are certainly exciting to me, as someone who has wanted a Z-DSP for a long time but never been able to free up all the rack real estate.

I'm sure many will be very happy with the option to have the black/red/gold scheme panels, too. For me, the white/green/yellow is still where it's at. :yay:

Can you elaborate more on what you mean by "Scaling the parameter knobs made it very easy to sync the delays manually"? I prefer to use clockable delays in most of my music but am intrigued by what this different approach could mean. :nana:

continuum
Super Deluxe Wiggler
Posts: 2096
Joined: Sat May 26, 2012 11:59 am

Post by continuum » Wed Nov 20, 2019 12:18 pm

deftinwulf wrote: Can you elaborate more on what you mean by "Scaling the parameter knobs made it very easy to sync the delays manually"? I prefer to use clockable delays in most of my music but am intrigued by what this different approach could mean. :nana:
The variable analog clock makes external sync impossible to do since you don't know the exact sample rate of the clock. For some of the basic delays the Time pot is scaled in a way to make sync to certain tempo ranges easier to dial in. There are also delays with intentionally limited delay times for effects like Karplus-Strong, flange etc easier.

The ZDSP has a clocked delay card if you need sync.
Last edited by continuum on Wed Nov 20, 2019 12:21 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Tiptop Audio R&D
www.tiptopaudio.com/

User avatar
cackland
Super Deluxe Wiggler
Posts: 2207
Joined: Thu Dec 28, 2017 5:42 pm
Location: Los Angeles, California

Post by cackland » Wed Nov 20, 2019 12:20 pm

Very nice. A contender to Endorphin.es range

User avatar
Severed head
Veteran Wiggler
Posts: 619
Joined: Tue Sep 24, 2019 9:24 am

Post by Severed head » Wed Nov 20, 2019 12:38 pm

ZVERB

Image Image

30 離 (离)
the clinging: radiance.
breaking free, Departing.
the earthly things surrounded by the heavenly
they burst to flames, separating, breaking free
into another state of being.
-----------------------
29 坎
The Abysmal Gorge
where water naturally travels
to the lowest point.
traversing Downward
seemingly forever.
towards the abyss
the depth, not the surface.
although captivated endlessly pressing to move by the force of its own will.
ever downward through the ground.
a pit, a hole.
or trapped,
moving out of our control,
a crisis in a mysterious way.
-----------------------
fire over fire water over water...
Last edited by Severed head on Wed Nov 20, 2019 12:47 pm, edited 1 time in total.
WTB:, MA35 filter. -Mac recordings software from 2008/9
:help:

User avatar
mdoudoroff
Super Deluxe Wiggler
Posts: 3943
Joined: Fri Jul 17, 2015 8:10 am
Location: New York City

Post by mdoudoroff » Wed Nov 20, 2019 12:45 pm

So, if you’re planning to patch the outs back into Eurorack gear, you may need to run it though something to add gain first?

Is there any algorithmic overlap between the new Z5000 and the ZVERB or ECHOZ?

User avatar
deftinwulf
Wiggling with Experience
Posts: 466
Joined: Sun Nov 03, 2013 10:34 am

Post by deftinwulf » Wed Nov 20, 2019 12:50 pm

Severed head wrote:ZVERB

30 離 (离)
the clinging: radiance.
breaking free, Departing.
the earthly things surrounded by the heavenly
they burst to flames, separating, breaking free
into another state of being.

-----------------------
29 坎
The Abysmal Gorge
where water naturally travels
to the lowest point.
traversing Downward
seemingly forever.
towards the abyss
the depth, not the surface.
although captivated endlessly pressing to move by the force of its own will.
ever downward through the ground.
a pit, a hole.
or trapped,
moving out of our control,
a crisis in a mysterious way.
-----------------------
fire over fire water over water...
Ah, so that's what those pictograms mean on the ZVERB? It's from the I Ching? Where is that particular translation you posted from? I found it moving and want to read more... :love:

User avatar
Ivo Ivanov
Sausage Wiggler
Posts: 1079
Joined: Thu Nov 27, 2008 3:35 am
Contact:

Post by Ivo Ivanov » Wed Nov 20, 2019 1:02 pm

Congrats to Gur and team!

(also: the video is superb!)

User avatar
Severed head
Veteran Wiggler
Posts: 619
Joined: Tue Sep 24, 2019 9:24 am

Post by Severed head » Wed Nov 20, 2019 1:13 pm

deftinwulf wrote:
Severed head wrote:ZVERB

30 離 (离)
the clinging: radiance.
breaking free, Departing.
the earthly things surrounded by the heavenly
they burst to flames, separating, breaking free
into another state of being.

-----------------------
29 坎
The Abysmal Gorge
where water naturally travels
to the lowest point.
traversing Downward
seemingly forever.
towards the abyss
the depth, not the surface.
although captivated endlessly pressing to move by the force of its own will.
ever downward through the ground.
a pit, a hole.
or trapped,
moving out of our control,
a crisis in a mysterious way.
-----------------------
fire over fire water over water...
Ah, so that's what those pictograms mean on the ZVERB? It's from the I Ching? Where is that particular translation you posted from? I found it moving and want to read more... :love:
they are two hexagrams, #'s 30 and 29 trigrams fire/water
I was just guessing there was some kinda connection from my first glance.
those were just from my understanding of ("the book of changes" ) I Ching
that I got out of an old book that I use. for my friends grandpa. its fun to throw stones and see what happens if your into that occult thing. a sorta eastern divination tool.
glad it was enjoyable.
but
this one seems good.
http://the-iching.com

edit: some auto correct corrections
Last edited by Severed head on Wed Nov 20, 2019 1:19 pm, edited 2 times in total.
WTB:, MA35 filter. -Mac recordings software from 2008/9
:help:

User avatar
Tonescape
Wiggling with Experience
Posts: 310
Joined: Tue Jan 27, 2015 10:18 am
Location: Denmark
Contact:

Post by Tonescape » Wed Nov 20, 2019 1:16 pm

Wow, they look great! A shame about the sync option on the delay though.
Image
_________________________________________________
www.bragi-modular.com - www.instagram.com/momecmusic

continuum
Super Deluxe Wiggler
Posts: 2096
Joined: Sat May 26, 2012 11:59 am

Post by continuum » Wed Nov 20, 2019 1:24 pm

mdoudoroff wrote:So, if you’re planning to patch the outs back into Eurorack gear, you may need to run it though something to add gain first?
The output won't be Euro VCO levels of 10vpp but it is certainly enough to use inside the modular. The design focused on the most common uses of send/return and end of chain duties.
Is there any algorithmic overlap between the new Z5000 and the ZVERB or ECHOZ?
A few of the ECHOZ and ZVERB are in Z5000, but the former two go a lot deeper into delay and reverb than the multi-fx (24 vs 8 programs). Check the manual for descriptions of all the programs:

http://www.tiptopaudio.com/manuals/Tipt ... manual.pdf
Tiptop Audio R&D
www.tiptopaudio.com/

continuum
Super Deluxe Wiggler
Posts: 2096
Joined: Sat May 26, 2012 11:59 am

Post by continuum » Wed Nov 20, 2019 1:26 pm

Tonescape wrote:Wow, they look great! A shame about the sync option on the delay though.
The variable analog clock does so many nice things to the delays that it was an easy decision to go for that.
Tiptop Audio R&D
www.tiptopaudio.com/

User avatar
zvukoprocessor
Wiggling with Experience
Posts: 468
Joined: Sun Nov 22, 2009 12:51 pm
Location: Berlin

Post by zvukoprocessor » Wed Nov 20, 2019 2:07 pm

Tonescape wrote:Wow, they look great! A shame about the sync option on the delay though.
I used to really like synced delays but over time started to appreciate free running delays. i find the results to be more musical when time is set by ear.
In any case one should have many good delay modules of all kinds :bananaguitar:

Off to get me some EchoZ

User avatar
Bobby
Veteran Wiggler
Posts: 512
Joined: Sun Feb 16, 2014 3:24 pm
Location: avoiding Muff's for a bit

Post by Bobby » Wed Nov 20, 2019 3:17 pm

Is Sean Costello involved in the verb at all?

continuum
Super Deluxe Wiggler
Posts: 2096
Joined: Sat May 26, 2012 11:59 am

Post by continuum » Wed Nov 20, 2019 3:37 pm

Bobby wrote:Is Sean Costello involved in the verb at all?
The algorithms are entirely my work - all 24 of them on each of the 3 modules.
Tiptop Audio R&D
www.tiptopaudio.com/

User avatar
joem
Ultra Wiggler
Posts: 950
Joined: Thu Mar 05, 2015 11:07 pm
Location: NYC

Post by joem » Wed Nov 20, 2019 5:31 pm

From the manual:
- Black version: +12V@130mA -12V@20mA
- White version: +12V@100mA -12V@20mA
I'm not criticizing or anything, just genuinely curious: How come the power is a tiny bit more for the black version? (My guess: different LEDs?)

The modules look great btw! I think I'm going to end up with at least one of them.

User avatar
joem
Ultra Wiggler
Posts: 950
Joined: Thu Mar 05, 2015 11:07 pm
Location: NYC

Post by joem » Wed Nov 20, 2019 5:42 pm

Another question: What's the toggle switch do? I don't think I saw it mentioned in the manual, but I'm assuming it's something related to the fidelity?

User avatar
Funky40
Super Deluxe Wiggler
Posts: 5987
Joined: Mon Nov 17, 2008 7:08 pm
Location: on a big voyage

Post by Funky40 » Wed Nov 20, 2019 6:38 pm

from the first post from tiptop:
while the 8HP modules are designed mostly as compact in size end-of-the-chain effects and interface between the modular and line level gear.
edited: I see this as a drawback.
To me, most ext. mixers, even the crappy small ones take modular level just fine.
And Delays are not necessarily patched at the end of the signal chain.

my personal experience over the years was:
that i had several very good modules, but i avoided it to patch them due to weak output levels.
YM-andExperience-MV


edit: size, price and optics look good !


continuum
Super Deluxe Wiggler
Posts: 2096
Joined: Sat May 26, 2012 11:59 am

Post by continuum » Wed Nov 20, 2019 8:28 pm

joem wrote:From the manual:
- Black version: +12V@130mA -12V@20mA
- White version: +12V@100mA -12V@20mA
I'm not criticizing or anything, just genuinely curious: How come the power is a tiny bit more for the black version? (My guess: different LEDs?)
Extra LEDs under the panel in the black version.
Another question: What's the toggle switch do? I don't think I saw it mentioned in the manual, but I'm assuming it's something related to the fidelity?
Switches the middle CV input from the Time parameter to the Fidelity clock speed. Fidelity can be modulated at audio rate for some pretty intense tones.
Tiptop Audio R&D
www.tiptopaudio.com/

User avatar
Junk Rhythm
Big Bottom Shaker
Posts: 2245
Joined: Wed Mar 11, 2009 2:16 pm
Location: Austin, TX

Post by Junk Rhythm » Wed Nov 20, 2019 8:52 pm

continuum wrote:
mdoudoroff wrote:So, if you’re planning to patch the outs back into Eurorack gear, you may need to run it though something to add gain first?
The output won't be Euro VCO levels of 10vpp but it is certainly enough to use inside the modular. The design focused on the most common uses of send/return and end of chain duties.
Not entirely a deal breaker but also a bit of a bummer. I personally would have preferred the 10vpp modular level and then compensated for the level change outside the box.

Parnelli
Super Deluxe Wiggler
Posts: 1303
Joined: Wed May 03, 2017 6:04 pm
Location: Utah

Post by Parnelli » Wed Nov 20, 2019 8:52 pm

Very nice! :tu:

User avatar
Pighood
Super Deluxe Wiggler
Posts: 2065
Joined: Fri Sep 14, 2012 8:48 pm

Post by Pighood » Wed Nov 20, 2019 9:59 pm

I'm good for a verb and a z5k
*phnert*

User avatar
behndy
Super Deluxe Wiggler
Posts: 1555
Joined: Mon Oct 07, 2013 12:05 am
Location: East Bay, Cali
Contact:

Post by behndy » Wed Nov 20, 2019 11:20 pm

Junk Rhythm wrote:
continuum wrote:
mdoudoroff wrote:So, if you’re planning to patch the outs back into Eurorack gear, you may need to run it though something to add gain first?
The output won't be Euro VCO levels of 10vpp but it is certainly enough to use inside the modular. The design focused on the most common uses of send/return and end of chain duties.
Not entirely a deal breaker but also a bit of a bummer. I personally would have preferred the 10vpp modular level and then compensated for the level change outside the box.
yeah. dampens my excitement a tad as well. they do look amazing though.
music, noise, in progress silliness - http://www.youtube.com/c/behndy

User avatar
dumbledog
Super Deluxe Wiggler
Posts: 1180
Joined: Sun Aug 16, 2015 10:10 pm

Post by dumbledog » Thu Nov 21, 2019 12:45 am

Severed head wrote:ZVERB

Image Image

30 離 (离)
the clinging: radiance.
breaking free, Departing.
the earthly things surrounded by the heavenly
they burst to flames, separating, breaking free
into another state of being.
-----------------------
29 坎
The Abysmal Gorge
where water naturally travels
to the lowest point.
traversing Downward
seemingly forever.
towards the abyss
the depth, not the surface.
although captivated endlessly pressing to move by the force of its own will.
ever downward through the ground.
a pit, a hole.
or trapped,
moving out of our control,
a crisis in a mysterious way.
-----------------------
fire over fire water over water...
Nice to see that Whimsical Raps wrote the manual.

Post Reply

Return to “Eurorack Modules”