Amen Break Chopping/Mangling in Eurorack?

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Amen Break Chopping/Mangling in Eurorack?

Post by probeheadz » Fri Dec 13, 2019 10:53 am

Hi people!

I was wondering if I could replicate that classic jungle breakbeat workflow.
I mean... chopping up breaks, mangling them and recombining them in new crazy, always the same/always different ways.

I can't use old school trackers and I'm a little bit tired of programming Amen Breaks with MIDI. It seems somehow "slow" doin' it in this way and was hoping to make the process more jam-based and generative in an Eurorack environment.

I'm absolutely clueless because I have a very little, limited Eurorack and I dont use it for drums.
I was looking for some advice on the type of modules I would need to.

The starting point is a sampler that can slice the breakbeat in 1/8 notes. Then I want to be able to trigger the slices in a random order, mangle them, stutter the break in a glitchy way (reverse, pitchshifting ,ecc).

Just want to hear some other points of view. Thanks!

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Post by minimalist » Fri Dec 13, 2019 10:55 am

Erica Synth Sample Drum is good for chopping samples like this

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Post by Antlerface » Fri Dec 13, 2019 1:04 pm

Er-301 is great for doing exactly what you want, quick and easy once you get the hang of it.
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Post by bedhed3000 » Fri Dec 13, 2019 1:37 pm

Here you go:


He's using a bunch of more or less "basic" modules. You could get even crazier results by using something like the Morphagene instead of a basic sample player.

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Post by EATyourGUITAR » Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:39 pm

I usually start with propellerhead recycle. stylus RMX and reason's rex player are compatible with that format. in an MPC2000 you just chop manually. in modular I have no idea. I know there are samplers and loopers now but I have not owned any of them in euro so I can't imagine they would be on the level of the computer. probably more on the level of an MPC2000 with a better screen and a smaller box.
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Post by nedrush » Fri Dec 13, 2019 3:32 pm

My kind of topic. Disting will do this using the clocked audio algorithm in conjunction with the quantised offset setting made in the playlist file. Good thing is you can switch breaks on the fly for breakcore in modular as it can halve many files saved on the SD card. Run that into something like clouds or the 4ms dld (my setup) and you can get great results.

Erica sample thing looks good too and Morphagene will do it cause I tired it.

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Post by nedrush » Fri Dec 13, 2019 3:34 pm

Here’s a walkthrough for a patch I made.


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1010 bitbox

Post by beku » Fri Dec 13, 2019 5:42 pm

1010 bitbox has a slicer mode that can do most of what you asked for.
However not all of the three modes it has can do everything at once.
For example "slicer" mode does not offer control over reverse but "sample cells" mode does.
So better look up the manual before you buy...

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Post by bemushroomed » Fri Dec 13, 2019 5:52 pm

EATyourGUITAR wrote:I usually start with propellerhead recycle. stylus RMX and reason's rex player are compatible with that format.
Bitbox is quite similar to stylus RMX in a modular format.

It splices a loop up with the press of a button. you can then save it, edit it etc.

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Post by Neo » Sat Dec 14, 2019 2:07 am

the Time Vortex patch on the Owl chops up, beat repeats and reverses live audio to a clock

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Post by DruidTek » Sat Dec 14, 2019 5:30 am

beku wrote:1010 bitbox has a slicer mode that can do most of what you asked for
The bitbox/toolbox combo is amazing for this. Modulate toolbox's transpose function internally with an LFO or BAR sequencer for instant Squarepusher style edits.


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Post by probeheadz » Sat Dec 14, 2019 6:13 am

Thanks a lot guys! Didnt know a lot of modules you mentioned here.

I go through them and I'll let u know what I'll be able to sort out.

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Post by Bobby » Sat Dec 14, 2019 6:24 am

Antlerface wrote:Er-301 is great for doing exactly what you want, quick and easy once you get the hang of it.
Any vids/audio? Yet to see anyone do anything with it that convinces me.

My just get an Amiga soon.

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Post by rolsteins » Wed Dec 25, 2019 8:49 am

minimalist wrote:
Fri Dec 13, 2019 10:55 am
Erica Synth Sample Drum is good for chopping samples like this
Sample Drum + Nerdseq

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Post by brandonlogic » Wed Jan 15, 2020 11:10 am

Bobby wrote:
Sat Dec 14, 2019 6:24 am
Antlerface wrote:Er-301 is great for doing exactly what you want, quick and easy once you get the hang of it.
Any vids/audio? Yet to see anyone do anything with it that convinces me.

My just get an Amiga soon.
The er301 just got a update today that makes it perfect for this. It now has Cue points (plays through and loops entire sample from the cv selectable/triggerable Cue point) instead of just slices (a one short or looped single slice).

I’ll post a vid when I have time, but this is huge for break beat style chopping on the er301.

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Re: Amen Break Chopping/Mangling in Eurorack?

Post by Kattefjaes » Wed Jan 15, 2020 11:24 am

Anything that can trigger samples with offsets can do the job. You don't even need poly, as you don't want the breaks interrupting each other. You "just" need to take your basic break, get it all nicely treated and normalised, stretched to the right speed if applicable, and then nail down the offsets for good bits.

I had a little go at doing that with the Digitakt over Christmas, it worked really well. I haven't tried doing it in modular (I am guessing that you'd like specific module advice) but the techniques are largely transferable at least.

Bonus points for a bit of retriggering here and there btw.. It was going a little too fast (170bpm) for me to be able to manually trigger fills to get the right vocal samples lined up and I was too slow getting some of the more complex breaks in, but this illustrates a simple amen-based thing using offset playing.. doesn't sound terrible:



(I just used one very short amen loop for all of the drums.)

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Re: Amen Break Chopping/Mangling in Eurorack?

Post by th0mas » Wed Jan 15, 2020 11:29 am

Kattefjaes wrote:
Wed Jan 15, 2020 11:24 am
Anything that can trigger samples with offsets can do the job. You don't even need poly, as you don't want the breaks interrupting each other. You "just" need to take your basic break, get it all nicely treated and normalised, stretched to the right speed if applicable, and then nail down the offsets for good bits.
In eurorack, Disting mk3 or mk4 can do this really easily. One of the sample playback algorithms lets you control offset and pitch IIRC.

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Re: Amen Break Chopping/Mangling in Eurorack?

Post by Kattefjaes » Wed Jan 15, 2020 11:33 am

Oh cool. Guess who should be taking delivery of a Disting MK4 tomorrow?

Chosen on the basis of being an "oh shit" module- when you need something and don't have something dedicated, it seems to cover a lot of bases in a pinch. It feels like I might have bought the last one on a shelf in the UK, or maybe I'd have had more than one.

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Post by brandonlogic » Fri Jan 17, 2020 1:00 am

Bobby wrote:
Sat Dec 14, 2019 6:24 am
Antlerface wrote:Er-301 is great for doing exactly what you want, quick and easy once you get the hang of it.
Any vids/audio? Yet to see anyone do anything with it that convinces me.

My just get an Amiga soon.
hows this?

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Post by Bobby » Fri Jan 17, 2020 2:04 am

brandonlogic wrote:
Fri Jan 17, 2020 1:00 am
Bobby wrote:
Sat Dec 14, 2019 6:24 am
Antlerface wrote:Er-301 is great for doing exactly what you want, quick and easy once you get the hang of it.
Any vids/audio? Yet to see anyone do anything with it that convinces me.

My just get an Amiga soon.
hows this?
Nice. He's got himself a sale now. Good work btw too.

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Post by brandonlogic » Fri Jan 17, 2020 9:45 am

Bobby wrote:
Fri Jan 17, 2020 2:04 am
brandonlogic wrote:
Fri Jan 17, 2020 1:00 am
Bobby wrote:
Sat Dec 14, 2019 6:24 am
Antlerface wrote:Er-301 is great for doing exactly what you want, quick and easy once you get the hang of it.
Any vids/audio? Yet to see anyone do anything with it that convinces me.

My just get an Amiga soon.
hows this?
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Nice. He's got himself a sale now. Good work btw too.
just a heads up the 301 does have a small amount of latency, im not sure what it is but its not really an issue for me, but some other people have complained about latency when working with percussion and the er301. but yeah, the 301 is great, and the sweet sixteen im using in this vid makes for an aweomse hands on er301 expander.

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Re: Amen Break Chopping/Mangling in Eurorack?

Post by benofbrown » Fri Jan 17, 2020 10:21 am

I've done it with the ALM Squid Salmple and Pamela's New Workout with a bit of preparation using ocen audio on my laptop.

I split it in to 8 roughly equal parts in ocen and saved it on to the USB stick, triggered it pretty rapidly with PNW and used another channel to modulate the cue selection randomly.

Here's a short video of it in action: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bg5msuFdhNM

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Post by EATyourGUITAR » Fri Jan 17, 2020 11:42 am

bemushroomed wrote:
Fri Dec 13, 2019 5:52 pm
EATyourGUITAR wrote:I usually start with propellerhead recycle. stylus RMX and reason's rex player are compatible with that format.
Bitbox is quite similar to stylus RMX in a modular format.

It splices a loop up with the press of a button. you can then save it, edit it etc.
not at all. stylus RMX comes with a library that has been professionally chopped and tagged. the format is proprietary but it can import rex. if bitsbox is not loading rex format and does not come with stylus RMX loop library then they are completely different. that would put bitsbox in a category with MPC5000.
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Post by miles_macquarrie » Fri Jan 17, 2020 11:56 am

brandonlogic wrote:
Wed Jan 15, 2020 11:10 am
Bobby wrote:
Sat Dec 14, 2019 6:24 am
Antlerface wrote:Er-301 is great for doing exactly what you want, quick and easy once you get the hang of it.
Any vids/audio? Yet to see anyone do anything with it that convinces me.

My just get an Amiga soon.
The er301 just got a update today that makes it perfect for this. It now has Cue points (plays through and loops entire sample from the cv selectable/triggerable Cue point) instead of just slices (a one short or looped single slice).

I’ll post a vid when I have time, but this is huge for break beat style chopping on the er301.
Oh Boy, that might just push me over the edge on a er 301. If you do a video of this I'll be forever grateful. I would love a proper breaks processor that can get all granular/crazy with view of waveform in euro.

That Mordax GXN thing looked good for this as well, but it's been MIA for a while.
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Re: Amen Break Chopping/Mangling in Eurorack?

Post by miles_macquarrie » Fri Jan 17, 2020 11:58 am

NM you made a video! Watching now.
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