Amen Break Chopping/Mangling in Eurorack?

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Post by bemushroomed » Fri Jan 17, 2020 1:26 pm

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not at all. stylus RMX comes with a library that has been professionally chopped and tagged. the format is proprietary but it can import rex. if bitsbox is not loading rex format and does not come with stylus RMX loop library then they are completely different. that would put bitsbox in a category with MPC5000.
who the fuck uses boring libraries lol, and yes bitbox comes with a library too (never even looked at it).

Also who cares if it can't load Rex files, you have the Recycle program built into the box, with the press of a button it slices the loops, just like in Recycle. If you really want rex files you can just resave them as .wav's, split them in bitbox again..
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Re: Amen Break Chopping/Mangling in Eurorack?

Post by EATyourGUITAR » Fri Jan 17, 2020 1:34 pm

no and no. you need to spend some time with stylus RMX. there is a lot more to this way of working than what you think. it is not your basic eurorack module. it is not apples to apples. automatic beat slicers are not as good as paying someone to do it for you. that is like saying a robot can write songs better than a human. not the same at all. rex format is a standard format that goes beyond recycle and reason. I would like to see rex support in eurorack so that I do not need to do the same work twice. maybe you don't need that feature but I do.
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Re: Re:

Post by EATyourGUITAR » Fri Jan 17, 2020 1:37 pm

bemushroomed wrote:
Fri Jan 17, 2020 1:26 pm
who the fuck uses boring libraries lol
did you read the thread title? are you in the right place for fresh new loops?
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Re: Amen Break Chopping/Mangling in Eurorack?

Post by timdrage » Fri Jan 17, 2020 1:40 pm

The Ladik Rom Player has a couple of Amen break sample chips available, also there's a couple of alternate firmwares for Ginkosynthese Grains which can do amen chopping. I used 'framen' and modified the code to add pitch control, i think since then there are other better options out there, need to have another look.

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Re: Amen Break Chopping/Mangling in Eurorack?

Post by bemushroomed » Fri Jan 17, 2020 2:17 pm

EATyourGUITAR wrote:
Fri Jan 17, 2020 1:34 pm
no and no. you need to spend some time with stylus RMX. there is a lot more to this way of working than what you think. it is not your basic eurorack module. it is not apples to apples. automatic beat slicers are not as good as paying someone to do it for you. that is like saying a robot can write songs better than a human. not the same at all. rex format is a standard format that goes beyond recycle and reason. I would like to see rex support in eurorack so that I do not need to do the same work twice. maybe you don't need that feature but I do.
I've used Stylus RMX since v1.2, i think its close to 15 years, maybe more. The first thing that struck me is how similar it gets to using that program but for euro.

The so called professional libraries that you can buy, i've tried several of the highest ranking ones. loaded samples up in Soundforge to check them out, several milliseconds of silence in the beginning.. lol, great work. Many had like several seconds of silence at the end too, this sucks for eurorack since you want short samples, short samples means faster streaming and less latency.

They're usually shit, way way worse then the samples i do for myself. I highly doubt they manually check each and every loop point for rex files either, and if they do i'm sure its as sloppy as the so called ""professional"" samples. Beat slicers can also always be adjusted and zoomed in, and it obviously also has a sensitivity setting that you must tweak.

You don't need libraries to use amen breaks, just sample it yourself from the original source. Its also the only way to know its not been resampled numerous times before, you might get a really shitty copy of a copy of a copy. If someone lazily changed from 96khz to 44.1khz or the other way around at some point it also introduces aliasing that you dont want. Many of those amen breaks that you can buy or download from the internet has a tone of compression and distortion too added to them. Its way better to add this yourself, it will sound much more professional (if you know what you're doing).
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Re: Amen Break Chopping/Mangling in Eurorack?

Post by mrbloor » Fri Jan 17, 2020 2:48 pm

Just to add, in my experience as soon as an Amen drops people don't usually worry about sample rate & aliasing, they just go mental.







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Re: Amen Break Chopping/Mangling in Eurorack?

Post by transferpoint » Fri Jan 17, 2020 3:30 pm

Sorry to hijack, enjoyed reading and listening to examples here.

How does the Assimil8or handle chopping and beat mangling?

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Re: Amen Break Chopping/Mangling in Eurorack?

Post by ciso » Fri Jan 17, 2020 3:36 pm

Not sure if this counts as mangling as no element of the source material is directly in the end result, here's a loop I made last year.

I put the Amen break in the morphagene, used it's envelope follower, took the audio out from the morphagene and ran it into ears to use it's env follower and gate detection as well. I did both env followers as I feel like they wouldn't be exactly the same.

Anyway, i took the gate, multed it, took all those outputs and put them into maths, then took the various outputs and used them to control the loquelic iteritas. I don't recall if there was a VCA involved.

this was the end result:



edit: upon listening it to again i might have also used the gate to trigger a kick with the BIA...

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Re: Amen Break Chopping/Mangling in Eurorack?

Post by nectarios » Fri Jan 17, 2020 3:44 pm



Clouds Kammerl/Beat Repeat firmware does the trick.

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Re: Amen Break Chopping/Mangling in Eurorack?

Post by bemushroomed » Fri Jan 17, 2020 3:53 pm

it's decent, but it can sometimes get a bit clicky in my experience. your example sounded good though.
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Post by note! » Fri Jan 17, 2020 4:06 pm

one more for nerdseq (JUST nerdseq) here. just load a break on the SD card and use the internal sample channel along with probability, sample start and repeat commands - no need for any other modules. my breaks in the vid below are just that.


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Re: Amen Break Chopping/Mangling in Eurorack?

Post by mrbloor » Fri Jan 17, 2020 4:45 pm

I have no eurorack, so I'd go outside the box & inside another box. Elektron make brilliant sequencers, no apologies for alternative viewpoint :hihi:


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Re: Amen Break Chopping/Mangling in Eurorack?

Post by isi909 » Fri Jan 17, 2020 5:23 pm

mrbloor wrote:
Fri Jan 17, 2020 2:48 pm
Just to add, in my experience as soon as an Amen drops people don't usually worry about sample rate & aliasing, they just go mental.
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Post by Accent » Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:02 pm

brandonlogic wrote:
Fri Jan 17, 2020 1:00 am
Bobby wrote:
Sat Dec 14, 2019 6:24 am
Antlerface wrote:Er-301 is great for doing exactly what you want, quick and easy once you get the hang of it.
Any vids/audio? Yet to see anyone do anything with it that convinces me.

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hows this?
Could you give some more detail on how you’re doing this? Sorry if it’s really obvious. I’ve been messing around with breaks with the 301 and NerdSEQ for a little bit, but my results are a lot more chaotic and I’d like to hone in on more focused work. I feel like my issue is probably most with setting things up with the 301.

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Post by brandonlogic » Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:09 pm

Accent wrote:
Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:02 pm
brandonlogic wrote:
Fri Jan 17, 2020 1:00 am
Bobby wrote:
Sat Dec 14, 2019 6:24 am
Antlerface wrote:Er-301 is great for doing exactly what you want, quick and easy once you get the hang of it.
Any vids/audio? Yet to see anyone do anything with it that convinces me.

My just get an Amiga soon.
hows this?
Could you give some more detail on how you’re doing this? Sorry if it’s really obvious. I’ve been messing around with breaks with the 301 and NerdSEQ for a little bit, but my results are a lot more chaotic and I’d like to hone in on more focused work. I feel like my issue is probably most with setting things up with the 301.

make sure your firmware is up to date. they recently added 'cue points' selected under 'play extent' in a sampler unit.
in the most basic sense, its just using the cv from the nerdseq to fire cues in the drum break at moments. using cv to select the cue and gate to fire it.
you need to make sure your drum sample and nerdseq bpm are the same and you should be good to go.
if you are running into a specific issue let me know, i can probably help.

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Re: Amen Break Chopping/Mangling in Eurorack?

Post by ggillon » Thu Mar 05, 2020 6:10 pm

Thanks for the inspiration OP ! I was wondering if it would be working easily with morphagene and, well, it does:



Morphagene for sample mangling
2HP Euclid for bursts
Divkid mutes for live playing with sample position, grain size and morph parameter (for some octave shifting)
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Re: Amen Break Chopping/Mangling in Eurorack?

Post by a773 » Fri Mar 06, 2020 5:51 am

You'll need:
1) a sample player with cv over selection and ability to load your own samples
2) something to control the sample selection: sequencer + stepped random + dc coupled mixer

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pico drums + turing machine
one + voltage block + 4r + pico mixer

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Re: Amen Break Chopping/Mangling in Eurorack?

Post by jacksonick » Sat Mar 07, 2020 1:37 pm

I like sending er301 chopped breaks into fumana and using the envelope followers to trigger drum modules.

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Re: Amen Break Chopping/Mangling in Eurorack?

Post by Hidden_Path » Sat Mar 07, 2020 1:48 pm

Erica Sample Drum excels at this.

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Re: Amen Break Chopping/Mangling in Eurorack?

Post by ersatzplanet » Sat Mar 07, 2020 4:04 pm

Chopping up loops of any kind is fun to do with many of the Wav playing modules out there that have CV inputs for start points, end points (or loop length), direction,and pitch. I have ADDAC101, 4ms STS and Nebulae 1 and 2's in my rig and do this often. I most commonly use programmers to jump around from various different extreme settings. With a PGM-4X4 (I make them so have plenty of them), I can change 4 parameters at once and manually or sequentially chose four different settings at once (I can chain or stack the PGMs if I need more rows or columns). I can't think of using a wave player without a manual programmer or sequencer nowadays. With the players that read files directly off the cards, a very long file with different loops end to end on it, can have the sections chosen by CV to match verse/chorus or other duties.
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Re: Amen Break Chopping/Mangling in Eurorack?

Post by Chopper » Sat Mar 07, 2020 7:09 pm

nectarios wrote:
Fri Jan 17, 2020 3:44 pm


Clouds Kammerl/Beat Repeat firmware does the trick.
THIS.

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Re: Amen Break Chopping/Mangling in Eurorack?

Post by cliffemu » Fri Mar 13, 2020 9:44 am

Chopper wrote:
Sat Mar 07, 2020 7:09 pm
nectarios wrote:
Fri Jan 17, 2020 3:44 pm
Clouds Kammerl/Beat Repeat firmware does the trick.
THIS.
Has anyone figured out the best way to sequence clouds with the jkammerl firmware? It can randomly do all kinds of great stuff but it's not that useful in a song unless you can get the right thing to happen at the right time. Then I wonder if it's easier to sequence clouds, or just directly sequence what's already playing the sample? :despair:

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Re: Amen Break Chopping/Mangling in Eurorack?

Post by Chopper » Fri Mar 13, 2020 6:10 pm

I sequence the position cv, until i kinda get what i want.

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Re: Amen Break Chopping/Mangling in Eurorack?

Post by wavejockey » Mon May 18, 2020 11:12 am

303 & a breakbeat + Eurorack : Mangling Choppin Heaven

Assimilator has Advance (straight a->z) & Random Zone Selection Algoritm


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Re: Amen Break Chopping/Mangling in Eurorack?

Post by JES » Mon May 18, 2020 9:17 pm

Depending on what you want, Morphagene and Nebulae will let you get really weird with drum loops.
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