FULL RESONANCE SOUNDS BAD

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FULL RESONANCE SOUNDS BAD
It's probably because he's overdriving the filter by using the auxiliary variable output of a 921, which is meant more for modulation usage instead of audio and has 3x hotter of a signal level than a normal output.
I've had a 907, and the FFB 914 has that same nice weird resonancy shimmering quality to it.pelang wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 6:36 pmno, they don't use coils, of course. I was quoting from there website, as they don't claim they use actually coil inductors.EPTC wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 3:48 pmI'm not sure if you're quoting to agree or refute that AJH aren't using actual wound coil inductors.pelang wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 1:48 pmfrom the AJH website:
For the FFB 914 we have used Gyrator based active inductor circuitry which exactly replicates the vintage passive inductor / capacitor based filter design - this is an important design element, because a major difference between the two topologies is that the phase change versus frequency is lower with L/C filters compared to Sallen Key R/C filters.
AJH makes great sounding stuff - but just for discussion, gyrators are described here as "simulated inductors": https://sound-au.com/articles/gyrator-filters.htm - I'm confident a basic sound can get close, in the same way Verbos' bark filter gets very close to the sound, but curious if a gyrator can overload and saturate like an electromagnetic coil.
Btw: I do have a serge ResEQ, the Döpfer A128 Fixed filter bank and the FFB 914 which sounds best to my ears. But i can't compare it with a org. moog
Disagree. Strig is a natural OR, and meant foot pedals and other controllers only needed a switch to ground. It wasn't about the transistor cost. 2500 also used Strig for Pedal sustain on its EGs. For the same reasons.DJMaytag wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2020 12:18 pmBecause that's what the Moog 55 used, and that's what the schematics were. Transistors were expensive then, so S-trig was a cheaper way to do it. Now Uli gets to make more profit because he can shave a penny or two off each module that uses an S-trig input/output.ablearcher wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 8:15 pmwait wait, back up a sec, someone mentioned it but lets go back to it...
Why the hell Are they bringing S-trig to eurorack??
you can get voltage control of resonance with a mixer and a vcaCeres wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2020 1:20 pmIt’s certainly worth considering how basic these modules are. That’s why for me it will come down to the sound. Even at $100 each, these lack a lot of standard modern functionality and would require 2-3 modules to have similar functionality.
Take the AJH minimod VCF for comparison. It has a built-in audio mixer with attenuation for each input as well as CV attenuation for both frequency and emphasis (regeneration/resonance) inputs. To duplicate most of this in Behringer 55 would take at least 3 modules (VCF, Mixer and Attenuator) and you still would not have CV control over resonance (and you never will). Nor the individually offset CV inputs (Need another attenuator module for that). Getting the similar functionality in Boog might cost just as much and take up a lot more real estate than those “expensive” AJH modules.
Technically, yes you are right, you can get VC resonance by feeding back an output into an input (although depending on filter topology and how resonance was implemented and the modules you are using, it might not sound the same). So let’s add 2 more behringer modules you’ll need to get the capabilities of the AJH, now we are up to 5-6.moremagic wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2020 2:34 pmyou can get voltage control of resonance with a mixer and a vcaCeres wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2020 1:20 pmIt’s certainly worth considering how basic these modules are. That’s why for me it will come down to the sound. Even at $100 each, these lack a lot of standard modern functionality and would require 2-3 modules to have similar functionality.
Take the AJH minimod VCF for comparison. It has a built-in audio mixer with attenuation for each input as well as CV attenuation for both frequency and emphasis (regeneration/resonance) inputs. To duplicate most of this in Behringer 55 would take at least 3 modules (VCF, Mixer and Attenuator) and you still would not have CV control over resonance (and you never will). Nor the individually offset CV inputs (Need another attenuator module for that). Getting the similar functionality in Boog might cost just as much and take up a lot more real estate than those “expensive” AJH modules.![]()
Agree. Will add this snippet of something I just posted in another thread, since it directly applies to this thread and its current line of thought.galanter2 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2020 3:54 pmIf Behringer hadn’t duplicated things like S-Triggers and simple (non-mixer) inputs and the need for filter couplers and had added oscillator features, etc....then people would be complaining that the Behringer modules were inauthentic, and their attempt to "improve" the original in fact diminished the Moog sound.
The direction they took (pending the opinions of a thousand golden ears) offers the Moog modular experience, for all that is good and bad about it.
KSS wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2020 4:35 pmJust as those using Snap-on tools don't affect buyers at Harbor Freight or Home Depot. Uli knows *his* market -or lane- *very* well and so far hasn't strayed from it. So we're the ones missing the point by expecting him to do something he has no need to really do. And just like the pro *will* buy something less expensiveat times for some specific reason, some who know the sounds misses the mark will still buy, and these are just icing on the cake for Uli's bottom line.
The original System 55 did not have 901 VCOs either, but 921s, yet you are suggesting them... I just asked for the Filter coupler becaue they asked for ideas & the Filter coupler is a great sonic element [I ordered an extra COTB cabinet to complement my Moog15-like system with them three filters after working with Hans Zimmer's borrowed --BOTH IIIC & System 55-- in my home for three months]... Huge sonic goodness!!
+1KBob Borries wrote: ↑Thu Mar 12, 2020 8:51 pmI hope Behringer includes the Filter Coupler Module in the Moog 55 line up.
Go ahead and patch up your solution, providing the same flexibility and speed as this module. Once you do that, it would be a nice comparison to share so others can see how they feel about one versus the other solution. It's all up to personal preference after all isn't it?