Behringer System 55

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Re: Behringer System 55

Post by KSS » Fri Jun 26, 2020 5:40 am

Andy137 wrote:
Fri Jun 26, 2020 4:14 am
In 911 ADSR module: is 'S-Trig In' is fully compatible with usual eurorack triggers or is it something special required converter?
S-Trig, short for Switch-Trig is an electrical short to GND. V-Trigs, as used elsewhere in the moog and Boog55 are the voltage-step type you find in EuroRack. More commonly called gates.

Patchcords can be bought or made to convert from V-Trig to S-trig. It's only a single transistor and resistor in one end of the cord. If you can solder, you can make them yourself. If you don't solder, they can be found already made.

So you don't have to use a 961. However it does do more than simply convert trigs, so you might want one anyways

One nice thing about S-Trigs is how easily they can be combined. In parallel, they natively function as a logical OR, which is something you need a special cord or module for in V-trig (gate) based systems.

Another nice thing about S-Trigs is how easily you can create them on the fly. Simply touch the free end of a patchcord that's already in the S-Trig input to any other system GND. Like a jack nut, for example
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Re: Behringer System 55

Post by Andy137 » Fri Jun 26, 2020 5:56 am

ndkent wrote:
Fri Jun 26, 2020 5:21 am
Andy137 wrote:
Fri Jun 26, 2020 4:14 am
In 911 ADSR module: is 'S-Trig In' is fully compatible with usual eurorack triggers or is it something special required converter?
They want you to buy a 961 to generate the S-trig
Thank you. So I don't need 961. You really helped

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Re: Behringer System 55

Post by SkyWriter » Fri Jun 26, 2020 8:33 am

ndkent wrote:
Fri Jun 26, 2020 5:21 am
Andy137 wrote:
Fri Jun 26, 2020 4:14 am
In 911 ADSR module: is 'S-Trig In' is fully compatible with usual eurorack triggers or is it something special required converter?
They want you to buy a 961 to generate the S-trig
S-trig is also used by 911A, and the 961 gives you five trigger converters of differing types, and you can shape the triggers a bit too. The 961 is also useful for multiply triggering EG's from a 960. It's an added expense for some folks, but a necessity for others. If I was incorporating moog into an existing rack, I would probably avoid the s-trig stuff, I don't see anything special about it outside of a moog cabinet. Filters, oscillators, 960, sure.

Stuff is slowly dribbling into sweetwater. Still don't have an 'audio' module to listen to yet though :-)

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Re: Behringer System 55

Post by SkyWriter » Fri Jun 26, 2020 9:15 am

betovelandia wrote:
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Manuals of the modules are posted on the Behringer site with their specs.
921B is missing the docs tab. There are 19 manuals I was able to download.

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Re: Behringer System 55

Post by ndkent » Fri Jun 26, 2020 12:07 pm

Andy137 wrote:
Fri Jun 26, 2020 5:56 am
ndkent wrote:
Fri Jun 26, 2020 5:21 am
Andy137 wrote:
Fri Jun 26, 2020 4:14 am
In 911 ADSR module: is 'S-Trig In' is fully compatible with usual eurorack triggers or is it something special required converter?
They want you to buy a 961 to generate the S-trig
Thank you. So I don't need 961. You really helped
I think you misunderstood, there is a good definition of S-trig after my post.

Quick answer is you probably can't generate an S-trig with what you have now.
If you don't want to buy the 961 and do not have something not at all common with say MIDI to cv/s-trig (stand alone converters often have non-euro standards as options), then another option is to try to build one.

Then of course there is the option of buying another envelope module and avoiding needing s-trig
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Re: Behringer System 55

Post by kinkycables » Fri Jun 26, 2020 12:14 pm

Got the mixer and power supply on the way. <$50 for a power module?! Couldn't say no.

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Re: Behringer System 55

Post by SkyWriter » Fri Jun 26, 2020 3:47 pm

I have a 911A, 921A, 962, and 995 so far. Quality is OK. Only thing off is the front panel clear coat varies from panel to panel. Seem to have two different batches.


I didn't notice before the 992 has the inverting attenuator, and the CP3A-0 just the normal attenuator. I thought they were the same. Wellwhatdoyouknow!

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Re: Behringer System 55

Post by Andy137 » Fri Jun 26, 2020 6:08 pm

ndkent wrote:
Fri Jun 26, 2020 12:07 pm
Andy137 wrote:
Fri Jun 26, 2020 5:56 am
ndkent wrote:
Fri Jun 26, 2020 5:21 am
Andy137 wrote:
Fri Jun 26, 2020 4:14 am
In 911 ADSR module: is 'S-Trig In' is fully compatible with usual eurorack triggers or is it something special required converter?
They want you to buy a 961 to generate the S-trig
Thank you. So I don't need 961. You really helped
I think you misunderstood, there is a good definition of S-trig after my post.

Quick answer is you probably can't generate an S-trig with what you have now.
If you don't want to buy the 961 and do not have something not at all common with say MIDI to cv/s-trig (stand alone converters often have non-euro standards as options), then another option is to try to build one.

Then of course there is the option of buying another envelope module and avoiding needing s-trig
I understood what you mean the right way. Anyway thank you for extended answer. I mostly look at this module as lowcost (I need more envelopes) but there's a lot of good Doepfer envelopes in different kinds of existing. So I put my trigger there...

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Re: Behringer System 55

Post by PatchMonger » Sun Jun 28, 2020 4:14 pm

Hi, I got the Fixed Filter Bank when released and I have been having a really good time with it. I have not seen many videos with this module being used. I shared this in Facebook a couple of weeks ago but I have not seen something similar in this post so I am sharing it here :). I am using a variable waveform to feed into the FFB and also mixed some noise (the noise rally makes it sing). It is not strictly a demo but hopefully you will be able to hear the character of the module.

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Re: Behringer System 55

Post by SkyWriter » Sun Jun 28, 2020 5:09 pm

@patchmonger, that was brilliant! The FFB was pretty cool too... :0)

Thanks for the musical demos folks. Makes the wait much easier :-)

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Re: Behringer System 55

Post by KSS » Sun Jun 28, 2020 10:13 pm

@patchmonger
Thank you. I enjoyed that very much. And the screen notes too.
Love the FFB case!

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Re: Behringer System 55

Post by Ebotronix » Mon Jun 29, 2020 3:52 am

Behringer System 55 entire sounds ...


today some 921b oscillators arrived!

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Re: Behringer System 55

Post by a100user » Mon Jun 29, 2020 6:17 am

Great demos folks, make me interested and i really need another system like a hole in the head ;)
I'm looking for nothing at this moment in time

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Re: Behringer System 55

Post by SkyWriter » Mon Jun 29, 2020 10:26 am

I dig the hat @ebotronix! Nice groove :-) I have a 921 on the way this week. Also a 923, I can inspect the potentiometer rotation. Finally a couple of audio models, all my others are Trigger or CV modules so far.

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Re: Behringer System 55

Post by PatchMonger » Mon Jun 29, 2020 11:27 am

@Skywriter, @KSS and @a100user Thank you so much!
Glad you enjoyed the video. Its a really fun module :)

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Re: Behringer System 55

Post by Ebotronix » Mon Jun 29, 2020 11:45 am

waiting for the 960....

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Re: Behringer System 55

Post by SkyWriter » Mon Jun 29, 2020 1:46 pm

Wow! That's a handful of 921B's @ebotronix!

How many rigs you got there? I just splurged on mutable clones, waiting for the boog modules to slowly get in stock here state-side.

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Re: Behringer System 55

Post by Ebotronix » Mon Jun 29, 2020 6:02 pm

@SkyWriter I have two Go Racks.
the 921b ' s scaling wasn't good ,with the 921a they doesn't scale an octave.
the Filterbank is a level killer...... with all pots CW the output range is very low!
here is a drone tune
bass by 4 x 921 b
chords by 921 Vc ( my favorit )
ribbon lead by 4 x 921b

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Re: Behringer System 55

Post by KSS » Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:07 pm

Ebotronix wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 6:02 pm
the 921b ' s scaling wasn't good ,with the 921a they doesn't scale an octave.
:help:
That's awful. Were you able to calibrate to better results?

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Re: Behringer System 55

Post by SkyWriter » Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:19 pm

Ebotronix wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 6:02 pm
@SkyWriter I have two Go Racks.
the 921b ' s scaling wasn't good ,with the 921a they doesn't scale an octave.
the Filterbank is a level killer...... with all pots CW the output range is very low!
here is a drone tune
bass by 4 x 921 b
chords by 921 Vc ( my favorit )
ribbon lead by 4 x 921b
By scale do you the front panel knob, right? Or it won't stay in tune across 5 octaves?

Sounds wonderful to me! :-) I love the 'human interface' box you're playing there. Home built?

I guess if this diagram can be believed, then yup, you'll get an overall loss.
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Re: Behringer System 55

Post by Ebotronix » Tue Jun 30, 2020 12:30 am

the box is a 104 Behringer case with the new CP1A Power supply , the faders are two new Flame Q Slider modules.
scaling is controlled on the back pannel.it won't stay in tune across 1 octave!

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Re: Behringer System 55

Post by KSS » Tue Jun 30, 2020 2:04 am

Ebotronix wrote:
Tue Jun 30, 2020 12:30 am
the box is a 104 Behringer case with the new CP1A Power supply , the faders are two new Flame Q Slider modules.
scaling is controlled on the back pannel.it won't stay in tune across 1 octave!
That's not right. Behringer support needs to help you out with service or replacement. Please let us know how it goes!

I've said before these can be really great but a three year warranty means nothing if you fall through the cracks trying to use it.

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Re: Behringer System 55

Post by SkyWriter » Tue Jun 30, 2020 8:39 am

Yeah, that is disappointing to no end. :-(

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Re: Behringer System 55

Post by Ebotronix » Tue Jun 30, 2020 9:33 am

correction, yesterday I had the switch on the 921b in the wrong position (weak),
in the middle position the scaling is much better.
like the 921VC, it goes over several octaves!
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Re: Behringer System 55

Post by SkyWriter » Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:02 am

Ok! That's better! All the stupid decisions in my life flashed before my eyes for about an hour or so there. :-)

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